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| Wayne E. Molter (Wmolter)
Registered Member Username: Wmolter Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 68.127.51.162 Rating: N/A |
Nobody seems to be saying any thing about the MC12's.What gives, are they any good for conversion or not? Any comments appreciated. | ||
| Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
Registered Member Username: Tekebird Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 71.230.19.74 Rating: N/A |
the mc-12 is an almost exclusively ex hoound bus......rode hard and put away wet.......I would not spend my money on any used greyhound. Once upon a time they had great driver's and great maint.....now......rode hard put away wet. not to mention cockroaches and all sorts of other vermin that they hauled | ||
| norcal kyle (Kylexisxrad)
Registered Member Username: Kylexisxrad Post Number: 113 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 24.10.111.15 Rating: N/A |
a buddy of mine just bought one last week and said he looked at 6 other 12's before he found one that he thought was worthy of his $$. a good bus from what ive heard. its basically a 96 A3 from the floor down, and an MC-9 with aa bit different styling up top. from what ive also heard, the 12 was basically designed to help greyhound get through the numerous financial problems they've encountered since the mid 1980's. also, their maint. department has slacked a bit too. on three of the buses my friend looked at, they had duct tape and zip ties holding on key components in the engine compartment and structure. lastly, keep in mind that greyhound still runs the mc-12's all day everyday, and to conform to the new EPA standards, they were forced to repower the fleet of 12's(which came OEM w/ a 6v92) with DD series 50 engines, so they basically just went through the fleet and kept the best ones, and sold off the remainder. a good bus im sure, and it would make an awesome conversion, but just be wary and remember that they're out there for sale everyday, so do your homework, shop wisely and LONG, and TAKE A QUALIFIED 2 STROKE MECHANIC WITH YOU! kyle in norcal 1980 Eagle 10 #30223 | ||
| Jim Wilke (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 115 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.151.82 Rating: N/A |
Kyle, I'm kind of confused. Why would any operator have to repower a vehicle to meet EPA standards that conformed to EPA standards when it was manufactured? Could it be instead that Greyhound figured they would save enough money in fuel and oil to repower instead of rebuild the 2 strokes? Could it be a California requirement? I do know that many states including CA & TX have programs to "buy out" older engines, like in ferry boats & relace them with modern electronic engines. (They call them "carbon credits".) Jim-Bob | ||
| norcal kyle (Kylexisxrad)
Registered Member Username: Kylexisxrad Post Number: 114 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 75.5.252.41 Rating: N/A |
you know, i was pretty sure it was a nationwide thing, but i have most definetly been wrong before. from what ive heard, its an emissions thing. the old two strokes just pollute a bit too much, i suppose. although im quite positive that this mandate only applies to vehicles in commercial service, so us hobbyists are safe with our dinosaur engines.  this might have been part of the "carbon credits" program you mentioned. its would make sense to keep the newer buses and repower, then get rid of the older ones. anyone with bus industry expertise wanna jump in here? RJ? BW? | ||
| Brian Elfert (Belfert)
Registered Member Username: Belfert Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 132.148.80.215 Rating: N/A |
I saw a bunch of Mc12s in Chicago about a year ago. They were some sorry looking buses. They were pretty beat up and some had issues like luggage doors that wouldn't close and such. Brian Elfert |