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| Duane Bratvold (Connieandduane)
Registered Member Username: Connieandduane Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 205.242.83.12 Rating: N/A |
Like and Idiot I Posted this in the wrong place. But any how...Has anyone or does anyone have a way to adjust the bottom of the main door on a 4104? When closed, it seals , but the bottom is out about an inch from the curve of the body. I guess as long as the door seals it is not really a problem, but it looks stupid. I do notice going down the road, if I do not lock the dead bolt, air does leak in. Any suggestions? | ||
| John Zabrocki (John_z)
Registered Member Username: John_z Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 64.61.224.234 Rating: N/A |
I hope someone has some info on this topic. On my '04 the leading edge of the door sticks out at least a half inch from the bus. This functions as a very noisy, albeit effective, air scoop. There must be a way to make adjustments. | ||
| Austin Scott Davis (Zimtok)
Registered Member Username: Zimtok Post Number: 101 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 216.37.73.226 Rating: |
Here is a drawing of the door parts.  | ||
| Austin Scott Davis (Zimtok)
Registered Member Username: Zimtok Post Number: 102 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 216.37.73.226 Rating: N/A |
Here is the adjustment procedures from the manual. ADJUSTMENT NOTE: Key numbers In text refer to figure 1. Mechanism is adjusted by loosening two jam nuts (6), which lock turnbuckle (7) connecting door operating rods (5 and 8); then turning turnbuckle to shorten or lengthen rods. Turnbuckle Is accessible under dash after entering safety compartment at right side of dash. Tighten turnbuckle jam nuts (6) after desired adjustment of rods is obtained. Two stop screws (11), which are adjustable, are located on each side of control handle lever (13) under dash panel. Adjustment of stop screws regulate the over-center position of door operating rod control handle lever (13). Properly adjusted mechanism will swing over-center and lock door firmly in both fully open and closed position. In either position, It should not be possible to move door unless operating handle (3) is first moved out of locking position. After adjusting stop screws (11); tighten stop screw jam nuts (12). (Message edited by zimtok on March 21, 2007) | ||
| Jim Wilke (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 135 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.151.82 Rating: N/A |
Very good on the procedure Austin. But after 50 years & who knows how many minor accidents & major wear, it often takes a lot more massaging than the book shows. The big hinges on my '04 were worn so much that there was more than 1/4" of slop in them. Some doors are bent, sometimes the door did not come on the bus, but was salvaged from another. Each case will be custom. My advice is to take your time & analze why the door is "off". It will likely be a combination of things. By the way, Luke in NJ has the door seals for these. (There is supposed to be a seal on the bottom edge too.) Jim-Bob | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 472 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.117.21 Rating: N/A |
Is the gap at the front end of door at the hinge area? top or bottom? If the front of the door top and bottom at hinge area closes properly, but it is gapped open at rear of door top or bottom, you can use a block of wood between back edge of door that normally contacts properly, leaving the gapped part gapped even more. then, apply force to large gap to spring closed some to take twist out of door. You will need to be patient to get it where you want it. The door is basically a shell and is relatively easy to take out a twist.If the problem is at the hinge side, you probably have something bent or worn a great deal.If that gap requires placing the block at the upper glass end,move it down to just below the point where the glass ends.Don't want to see a post from you for a replacement window. DOH! | ||
| Austin Scott Davis (Zimtok)
Registered Member Username: Zimtok Post Number: 103 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 216.37.73.226 Rating: N/A |
I figured that there would be some "customizing" of the adjustment due to wear. What I posted is a good place to start on understanding the workings of the door. . | ||
| Ron Walker (Prevost82)
Registered Member Username: Prevost82 Post Number: 269 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.19.14.16 Rating: N/A |
On my Prevost ... where the hinge attach's to the door they have shims between. and this allows you to shim the door in or out ... and as Austin sez a block of wood. Ron (Message edited by prevost82 on March 21, 2007) | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 318 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.51 Rating: |
Duane, Take my advice and don't mess with this door if it fits well other than at the bottom. If you look in the heating/AC/ventilation sections of the maint manual you will see that the bottom of this door is supposed to be an exhaust vent for the original bus system and is supposed to have a gap. It has been a while since I read these sections but that is what I remember. Mine has the same gap and I just cover it up when the weather is not good. One of those stuffed "snakes" that was so popular with young kids years ago is ideal and my wife has promised to make one since I doubt that they are available now. Again, if this door fits well otherwise, be thankful. Also be thankful it isn't an air operated door. | ||
| Jim Wilke (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 136 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.151.82 Rating: N/A |
Reading the posts, I recall that this door has vents in the outside below the trim strip where the door is indented and behind the bumperette that is attached to the lower section. I took off the inner panel and sealed up these holes and at the same time made a replacement upholstered panel for the inside. Jim-Bob | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 319 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.32 Rating: N/A |
Jim, That is correct as I remember it. The door inside is louvered and air vents down through those louvers inside the door and out at the bottom. I'm not certain how the air gets out the bottom of the door. There is also a vent tunnel on the rear side of the stairwell which goes back to the air blower compartment for recirculation. It was a very well thought out system when it was all intact. My louvers are covered by upholstery also but all that venting is not necessary with only a few people on board. |
