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kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Username: Kbunnystarr
Post Number: 105
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.121.79.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 10:33 am: | |
good morning. i want to have a phone jack, for campgrounds that dont have wireless, and when im in places i need one for dialup for my computer. has anyone installed one? start to finish? i went to rvwholesalers and looked, online, at the parts that come up.i know what the outside part looks like with the jack an d the weather protect cover, and also what the jack for the inside looks like, but i dont know how to go about the connection part, and how best to do...can anyone help with advice? i figure i have to put a hole in the side of the bus, like they did for the cable jack? thing is, i would liek to have th eoption to have in 2 places, so i guess i have to put 2 in.....one on each side of the bus. anyway, can anyone advise how to go about this? |
David (Davidinwilmnc)
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Post Number: 161
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 152.20.216.103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:06 am: | |
Here's what I posted on the other board, in case you have trouble with that one (it IS slow...)
I'm not putting any holes in the sides of my bus for cables, wires, hoses, etc. All my connections are in the bays. I have openings with a cover (like what is often used on the sides of S&S's for the power cords) in the 'floors' of the bays. Basically, everything enters and exits fromt he bottom of the bus. I'm doing the same with outside outlets - bring the cord through the bottom of the bay and plug it in inside the bay. This keeps the sides looking nice, the cables can come from the right or the left sides of the bus, and cuts down on leak possibilities. Also, you don't have to use weatherproof jacks this way, as they'll be nice and dry plus safe from being bumped into and damaged. If you have a city bus without bays, most online RV supply websites (and local RV stores) carry phone connections. Radio Shack used to carry an exterior weatherproof jack. I've seen 'em on eBay, too. Good luck.
David |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Username: Kbunnystarr
Post Number: 106
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.121.79.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:15 am: | |
i like the idea of putting it in a bay, i have several on both sides, smaller than a "big bus" :o) but enough to have that as an option, i will look and see; i have no expierenc wiring anything, ...but sounds like it might not be too hard? |
David (Davidinwilmnc)
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Post Number: 162
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:38 am: | |
For phone, just wire everything in parallel and use the Red and Green wires. The jacks should be labled or color-coded. You can get a surface mount modular jack from 'most anywhere (R.S., Walmart, K Mart, etc) and mount one on each side of the bay, if you like. Just run the wire from one jack to the other then to the jacks inside. Or, use a small terminal strip and run them all there. It's up to you. You might also find some used network cable to use. Our building at work was rewired with Cat6 cable and all the old 4-pair Cat 3 was pulled out and thrown away. I must have a hundred of feet or so of it. It's twisted-pair and will reduce interference better than the plain straight phone cable. Either way should work fine, though.
On another note, I'm also running network cables (with RJ45 jacks throughout the bus to a central location with a hub / switch to connect them all. It'll make it nice to communicate from one pc to the other plus I can hook it up at home to an outdoor network jack. If you set up a wi-fi access point and router, you should be able to use wi-fi from areas providing it. I've thought about installing directional and omni-directional wi-fi antennas on the crank-up TV antenna (when it gets installed) so I can get a bit better reception. Most wi-fi access points have two antenna jacks, so this should work fine. |
Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
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Post Number: 776
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 64.136.49.228
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 3:12 pm: | |
this awnser is 'kinda' the same as some....the parts I can find available are..... they make a 20 or 30 foot extension available at home depo....ir's white and has ttwo plug ins for phone on the end that goes in the house....the part of it that goes thru the floor into to bay requires a 1/2 inch hole in the floor....drill your 1/2 hole in some place over a bay..... put the little end thru the floor ^ shove a bunch of the little cable thru.....plug your PC in ....go down in the bay & rull some more thru.......o.k. this wireing costs you about 5.00......it was made for 'interior' but mine is 3 years old.....this works great... & when the rain finally gets to it you can have your 5.00 spare" ready...... |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Post Number: 107
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:25 pm: | |
i will go look at lowes or home depot and see, thank you guys all for the tips, i still feel confused, but maybe after i see will help....im jsut wanting it to be right and not hurt anything ( or me) in the process. bob the way you explained seems simpler but im still not sure about it casue i dont have a pic in my head.will go look.......thanx again :o) |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Post Number: 259
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 66.217.105.65
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:50 pm: | |
kristine -
You can do it all with the flat ribbon wire available at Walmart
and other fine stores. Buy the ribbon cable (it's the same stuff
that you use to plug your home phone into the wall at home),
and buy the tool to put the modular ends on with... also buy a cpl
bags of the plastic ends, too. (even Dollar General carries the stuff)
Install a phone jack in the bay of your choice. You'll make up
and use a length of cable to go from that double jack to the
Park's jack.
Use the tool to strip the end of the flat ribbon wire. Connect the
red wire to the red wire terminal inside the jack, and the green
to the green wire's terminal.
Run the flat ribbon to the location of your choice. Use the tool
to strip the end of the ribbon, and connect the red/green wires
to the red/green wires inside that jack (just as you have at the
bay location).
You can then terminate (connect) the next section going to your
next jack location in the same manner. It's always red to red
and green to green.
When you get done, test it out at home, by plugging the "park"
wire into your network interface at the side of your house, or
into any available working inside jack.
That's the easy and foolproof way.
(It's so easy, a phone guy can do it)
(and btw, I retired from Verizon/NYNEX/NET in '95) |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Post Number: 108
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:59 pm: | |
what is a distribution box?
and if i have the outide jack in a bay or where ever.........then run the wire to the one jack onside.........how do i then run another one inside? basically i want to have options as to where i am gonna have the computer.....one is in teh living room where the tv now is, .have an entertainment set up of sorts behind /over the wheel well on drivers side front...and a jack there, and that is the sid ei want the outside jack on.......then also want an inside jack on the passanger side about mid way thru the bus........in the dable now tobe desk work area..........not sure how to do this....can anyone offer thoughts on htis/ ...maybe i shoudl hire someone to come do it...........jsut dont want to make a mess of things.......( but really want to do myself) |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Username: Kbunnystarr
Post Number: 109
Registered: 6-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:06 pm: | |
hi john thanx for the post.we must have posted at the same time......so , is the ribbion wire as good for eliminating interfearance on a line for the dial up for computer as the cat5 cable ive been told and read about?
also, do i connect the second jack inside to the first jack inside or to the jack inside the bay/outside?? |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Post Number: 260
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:17 pm: | |
Just go from the first jack to the second jack, to the third, etc etc...
Start anyplace you want to, you don't have to run each wire
back to the bay, you only have to go from one jack to the next.
The "pros" usually charge $50 for the visit, $50 per hour, and
around $20 per jack. (holy cra-ap, what am I doing "retired"?)
It's really, really easy. Really.
In a 40' coach, one jack and an extension cord would suffice!
Seriously.... It's easy.
Figure out where you want the jacks, and what bay to begin from,
and DO IT! (or do it like the phone guys.... go for coffee for
a few hours, look over the possible bed partners at the local mall,
shoot some pool at the local gin-mill... and do one jack install to
call it a day)
BahDahBing - BahDahBoom! Done. |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Post Number: 261
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 5:45 pm: | |
Cat5 cable is great for a high speed connect... You gonna'
find DSL at a campground? HAR! Ahh.... "Twisted pair" is
best for eliminating "noise", but with all the imbalances you'll
find "on the road", the flat line will do fine. In fact, much of the
"twisted pair" (round phone wire in your home) came through
to Ma'Bell "un-twisted". It was just two (or three) pair in a
straight run inside the white casing... It never gave a problem,
unless it was used inside, along side some business' system
wiring running heavy data.. otherwise... not a prob.
I would spend as little as possible on the jacks and wiring, and
invest in a decent USB WiFi modem instead. (I use(d) a
Linksys WUSB54G with great results!) Most campground
telco facilities are the pits....
Realistically, the amount of wiring you'll be installing, equals
the average amount of non-twisted wire to each of the average
amount of phones in the average home. Flat wire feeds each
of those! Same ol'; same ol'. Interference will enter anywhere.
Hey.... I dunno what class you're into? Iffin' youse building
a 1.5 million $$ coach, ignore my words and follow your heart.
I'm a cheap ^%#*#, and use the most cost effective way to
cure my ills. Spending more and using the most expensive
material may not add a lousy thing to the quality of service.
Caviar Empty. |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 6-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 6:25 pm: | |
hey im all about doin it the properly, but as cheap as i can. you made me fele better John :o) THANK YOU!!! for your info and advice....thanx to everyone....;o)
i have the wireless linksys on my laptop, and have dls from my sis house now, but in case i go to a campground where they dont havea wireless router, i want to have the option of dialup , if need be . :o) |
JJ Woden (Jj_woden)
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 10-2006
Posted From: 65.19.246.49
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 1:55 pm: | |
Kristine
I almost hate to do this, but a telephone plug will plug into an ethernet jack without any issues. You could wire your entire bus with CAT5e or CAT6 cable for computer, and use the system for telephone. And still use it with a router and/or modem for "wired" computer connections.
JJ |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Post Number: 111
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 3:54 pm: | |
what is an ethernet jack?
i am not sure what you are tryign to convey to me JJ, please explain.
i dont have any jack to plug anythign into currently, that is why i have asked how to install. |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Post Number: 262
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Posted From: 66.217.107.121
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 5:09 pm: | |
heh heh heh.... This reminds me of when lil' johnny asked
his mom: "Where did I come from?"
And his mom proceeded to lecture for an hour, all about the
birds and the bees, love, marriage, etc.... Finally asking
lil' Johnny: "Now you know where you came from!"
And lil' Johnny nods and says:
"I th-think so...... Bobby said he came from Brooklyn.
All the gal wants is POTS (plain old telephone service) to a few
normal, standard RJ14 telephone jacks.
I think dear Kristine's question "what is an ethernet jack?" would
be an indicator of exactly what answer she needs....
Not everyone is a seasoned telecommunications whizkid;
sometimes simple is not only better, sometimes it's all that's
wanted....... The gal just wants to use a plain old modem
hooked to plain old telephone service... |
JJ Woden (Jj_woden)
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Post Number: 22
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 5:31 pm: | |
I hear you John. I had to open that can of worms. Kristine, ignore my post this time and you will be fine.
JJ |