| Author | Message | ||
| JOE ZAKOWSKI (Mjzakowski)
Registered Member Username: Mjzakowski Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 Rating: N/A |
rebuilding my 6v92 and need to know to buy some silcone hoses for the motor. thanks joe from IN 1984 1/2 PT40 | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 661 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.117.21 Rating: N/A |
Huh? do you want to know where to get them or what sizes. The hose is sold by the inch or foot at heavy duty truck parts dealers. Also available from NAPA or other larger parts dealers. I assume it had the silicone hoses on before, otherwise make sure you double clamp all connections or better yet use constant torque hose clamps- they will be available from silicone hose suppliers. If you are using new common hose clamps, they have to have the protective strip so clamp screw teeth don't damage silicone outer skin which is more delicate than common neoprene hoses | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.42.252 Rating: N/A |
Joe, when i replaced all of my hose with silicone type some of the torque clamps cost upward to 10.00, i don't know if anyone else has the problem with seepage but i do | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 403 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 4.231.133.9 Rating: N/A |
I've never used silicone hoses because of the high cost and problems I've read on the forums. It just doesn't seem to be worth the expense and headaches. | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.237.149.90 Rating: N/A |
If installed correctly, they will NEVER leak. I think they are worth the money. Deb and Joe 86XL | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.42.252 Rating: N/A |
I don't have leaks but i do have seepage it maybe because i check all the time looking for seepage.i have replaced the 1/4 in on my bypass 2 times in 3 year | ||
| J.L.Vickers (Roadrunnertex)
Registered Member Username: Roadrunnertex Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.1.64.165 Rating: N/A |
silicone water hose. I bought the various size hoses and various size constant torque clamps from Muncie Transit Supply. Silicone hoses might be a tad costly to start with but they are top quality and have never had a leak or seep as of yet. Muncie has a web site and a on line parts catalog. It's a lot better to replace the old hoses on your bus while at home in the garage than on the side of a two lane road at night in the cold rain! And the two lane road has no to very little shoulder. Buses road fail in the worst places. jlv | ||
| Hans (Buellhans)
Registered Member Username: Buellhans Post Number: 54 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 205.250.41.167 Rating: |
I am consistanly amazed at some of the fellows bus nut guys and gals , Seems that a couple of bucks spent for something of good quality is just not worth it . Some folks would rather drive and chance a break down for a clamp . Well folks Im not indpedantly wealthy but you get what you pay for silicone hose is the best and yes you have to pay a little for the clamps . Rather do that than toast a motor because of five or ten bucks . | ||
| Jim Wilke (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 158 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.156.44 Rating: N/A |
Well, I have replaced ALL coolant hoses on my '04 with silicone. Chump change compared to fuel & oil and is a one time cost. I use regular hose clamps & have NO LEAKS. Of course, the system only holds about 4 lbs pressure but I only add about 1 qt of water per year. Since I don't have wet liners, I can & do use regular Zerex antifreeze. Jim-Bob | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 410 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.20 Rating: N/A |
Just exactly what is it about silicone hoses that justifies the extra cost? I've had so few leaks and failures with regular hoses that the cost difference makes no sense. "It must be better because it costs more" doesn't cut it with me. Silicone requires special rounded clamps because it has no shear strength. And why two clamps?? Can't one clamp do the job like with rubber hoses? All this fuss over replacing something that has worked great for decades?? This sounds to me like another scam like nitrogen replacing air in tires. Any rubber hose will take a set soon after mounting but after one re-tightening of the clamp it will stay forever with no further tightening. Halfway attention to gages will prevent ever toasting an engine. Surely I'm not the only one who constantly monitors engine gages underway! | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 682 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.117.21 Rating: N/A |
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| Hans (Buellhans)
Registered Member Username: Buellhans Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 199.60.181.9 Rating: N/A |
Well the hoses last two to three times as long for one and I agree why fix what aint broke but my moneys on the silcone specally were heat is an issue . So many drive and are oblivous to whats going on in the engine room . Until it stops it doesnt have a problem . we use the silicone stuff and our rebuilds are usally go 750 to 850 and we dont have any failures for hoses . Ive seen a few of the fellow bus nuts with stuff puke ing out and helped a few . Seen a lot of hoses burst specially on long hills . The choice is yours to make but ive yet to see a silicone hose fail | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 411 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.30 Rating: N/A |
My caution with silicone hoses is a result of problems a while ago, don't remember the exact time frame. The inner linings were failing and clogging up systems. There were some written warnings about them but haven't heard anything recently. | ||
| Hans (Buellhans)
Registered Member Username: Buellhans Post Number: 60 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 199.60.181.9 Rating: N/A |
Yes along time ago some problems did occur but like I say its been about 17 years and Ive yet to see one fail . as well there is some folks that dont know what is going on in the engine room when they drive . Cool bus whats it got in it? | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 413 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.13 Rating: N/A |
I forgot to mention that those problems were with aircraft hoses under higher pressures than cooling systems. Can't believe it has been that long, time goes fast when one is having fun!! It is a straight 4104 with 671 four speed as original. In fact most of the bus is pretty much original. Had to look a long time before I found one like I wanted, no windows covered, four passenger seats, no couch, plain interior (No glitzy stuff), proper exterior color, operating emergency door and light weight. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1047 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 74.12.74.66 Rating: N/A |
I'll take a silicone hose to disassemble any day over a rubber one. After years of ignoring them, they will slip right off when you loosen the clamps. Rubber has a bad habit of sticking and going hard. They will not fail without giving you ample warning in deteriorating external layers, which happens after you have re-used them a few too many times instead of replacing them with the last radiator, water pump, etc. Yes, they cost more, but you get all manner of long range bonus with their use. Buy what you want to afford, and be happy with your choice! happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Hans (Buellhans)
Registered Member Username: Buellhans Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 199.60.181.9 Rating: N/A |
Ouch it looks like your bus is cold Brrrrrrrrrrr .People reuse hoses? | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1048 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 74.12.76.63 Rating: N/A |
Oh, but of course no one around here would re-use hoses.... I never met a cheaper...errr, more frugal.... bunch than some busnuts.... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 688 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.117.21 Rating: N/A |
Let's see...silicone hoses at about four times neoprene hoses, plus clamps at three to four times the price of regular hose clamps, last almost forever, plus ease of removing when repairing cooling system, and reuse versus aging neoprene hose failing out in the middle of nowhere, loss of coolant, overheat, possible engine damage, road service call @$$$$ from several miles away, several hours of inconvience????? You decide. If you are capable to do your own work and rarely need a service call, and know your coach, you should be fine with neoprene. OTOH, if you have to have someone do most of your work, and or travel great distances at times, the silicone would make a lot of sense. Anyway, at least on GM's those hoses are mainly short sections connecting pipes or nipples, so the cost isn't that ridiculous. Maybe someone on a budget could upgrade as needed, or upgrade the ones you would NEVER want to change on the road. I believe most otr trucks use silicone for the last several years. |
