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Joe E 01 (204.30.194.145)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 9:33 am: | |
Have a 1960 01 Eagle w/8v71 & 4sp trans. Want a lot more power. Either an 8v92T( I understand about 430 hp) or looked at a DD 60 SERIES (450 hp). Would also like info on a trans w/overdrive. Will be towing a flatbed trailor with my drag car on it approx 4 to 5000 lbs. Have people to visit both on east & west coast lots of hills and wish to keep up with the traffic. Read about the 8v92T with the 10 sp was impressed have access (for a reasonable price) to a DD 60 with a 10 sp. The DD60 was cheaper than the 8v92T and it came with the trans. How much trouble will this be. Thanks |
jmaxwell (66.42.92.203)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 1:23 pm: | |
I have a friend who put a S60 and allison 748 into an Eagle 01. He is a professional heavy mechanic. Only involved extending the engine compartment up and forward, no rear extension. S60 is a tall engine. Know of another putting a S60 and Fuller 10spd auto in a Prevo Champion; required rear extension of almost 2 feet as well as raising compartment and complete re-framing of the rear of bus. It is do'able and would be sweet, but a lot of work as opposed to the 8v92. |
Joe E 01 (204.30.194.45)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:22 am: | |
talked to some friends of mine the same day as posting the info request and found an Eagle 01 with an 8v92T in it to look at. Other than moving the turbo putting a bigger radiator on the bus this looks like the way to go. The friends told me that I can still use the same trans. Am not rich so once again the 8v92T is the way to go.
thanks. |
Jim (198.81.17.184)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:18 am: | |
Put the S60 in, don't mess with the 8v92. The 8v92 is a very good engine, don't get me wrong, but, the four stroke motors are just such a better motor, almost does'nt matter which four stroker you pick. I'm not an expert, but I do work in a bus conversion shop and drive alot of buses before and after such motor changes. I've got customers that took the dd 2 stroker out, put a newer four stroker in and it's just a night and day difference, and that's just driving the bus. After driving 2 strokers for what feels like ever, every time I press on the pedal of a big motor four stroker and the power just set's you back, you just grin from ear to ear. One other advantage is the heat difference, when you stop after a day of travels the bedroom does'nt have to be iced down. |
Don KS/TX (205.187.92.229)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 7:11 am: | |
I am an old 4 stroke type guy too, but from people I have spoken with, the slower rpm of the 60 series makes a SLOW powerful bus, you have to start looking for an Allison World trans to keep up with the traffic, right?
Most of the old screamin two strokes have had their governors turned up to the limits to compensate and burn lots of fuel. I am led to believe you cannot do that to a four stroke? Is this correct or just tall tales? |
jmaxwell (66.42.93.13)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 3:22 pm: | |
If money is the primary limiting factor, and it usually is with the average, real life person, then u go with the 8v92. Aside from the money matter, it is an easier conversion. Another matter to consider is the electronics that come with most modern 4 strokers, because if you don't know the electronic of one, u can be in for a real bill when oneday it decides to quit, simply because your average down-the-road diesel wrencher doesn't know any more about the electronics than u do and the factory authorized mechanic that u have to call to diagnose it does not come cheap. I have a friend that dumped a new T-2000 because he had 2 sensor failures in an 8 month period that cost him $1200 each time (seems that electronic sensors are not covered under that million mile warranty). |
jim (209.240.222.32)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 10:20 pm: | |
the whole concept of the electronic engines is to give a more steady platform for the power.....electronics can do things a driver cant.....the electronic engines were designed to operate at a lower rpm... hence smaller rear end ratios.... like 2.67...2.88.... and the engines were derated to give better mileage....you can turn the electronic engines as fast... 2100 -2200 -2300 rpm... just fuel economy goes down the drain....as far as the sensors not being covered by warranty, $1200 sounds kinda steep for a sensor..... the caterpillar electronic engines i work on have a computer data link that in just about 15 minutes i can tell whether or not a sensor is bad......the sensors range from 30-200$....depending on which 1 it is.....so there must have been some other charges on the bill.....towing maybe...... or some damage caused.....most of the time when a sensor is not functioning correctly, the engine will simply derate......some sensors can be "turned off" without damage to the engine......system parameters can be changed.....to accomodate for the missing sensor.......cat, cummins, mack and detroit are all going to the electronic engines..... the have to, to meet the epa guidelines......FWIW...jim |
Dwight (67.213.8.221)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:09 pm: | |
I would like to know the true price of the computer and of one injector for the DD 60 series, I have heard that one injector is like $1200.00 and the computer is like $4500.00.... |
jim (209.240.222.32)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 6:46 am: | |
cant tell you about detroit... i worked for cat.... the cat communication adapter is about $800..... the software is about $800.... the annual subscription fees are about $800.... the laptop i used is a gateway2000 notebook...so add the price of a laptop.....have to check on an injector.... but that varies depending on application.............................there are several companies...like OTC...... that make "readers" to work on the detroit stuff.....as they are aftermarket, i dint have acess to them.... several of my customers used them..liked them....and they were'nt that expensive..... |