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Cindy and John (Cindyandjohn)
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Username: Cindyandjohn
Post Number: 47
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 70.15.55.179
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:37 pm: | |
Hello Guys,
Kubota Diesel 4 Cylinder, label on generator says V2203-EBG1, Lots of other numbers around as well, this is on the side housing of the generator portion KHA40DJ6808GEN, I can't find info on the net anywhere? All the Kubota sites show newer models. This one is from around 1989 I beleive.
I have run into a small issue... my generator ran fine all the way from PA to NC. I parked in the general parking for the NASCAR Race and the generator ran fine all day and night. Drove over to the campground area shut everything down and a week later when i tried to start the generator, it only clicks... the clicking is from the actuator arm on the fuel pump side of the motor. I felt that actuator (selonoid) and it was very hot, after only a short period of trying to start the motor. The battery is new and I put a charger on it and it is 100% charged. I am thinking that this selonoid is bad? I read a post that it is for fuel delivery? I am thinking however that this is bad and not sending a signal over to the starter to crank? Any thoughts? It isnt an emergency, I drove home without electricity. Thankfully it wasnt too hot out. I have removed that selonoid thinking i need to replace it. But now I am having trouble finding someone who can get it. Anyone who knows about Kubota generators - your input is very welcomed.
Thanks in advance,
John |
Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
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Username: Luvrbus
Post Number: 120
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 74.32.84.136
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:54 pm: | |
John, call Wrico at 541-744-4333 and talk to Justin he just got one for me if yours has 4 mounting bolts and 3 terminals on it like mine the # is 12E2U1B251A there should be a tag on the solinoid but most of the time its covered with paint.you should check and make sure you have power to it when you try to start those things are not cheap 149.00 bucks p.s they are made by Woodward if yours is like mine let me know and i will get the Woodward # for you.mine would click but would not stay in the open postion ssage edited by luvrbus on October 23, 2007)
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Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Username: Sean
Post Number: 684
Registered: 1-2003
Posted From: 67.142.130.47
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:02 am: | |
John,
I would not suspect the fuel solenoid if the generator does not crank. Generally, the position of the fuel solenoid will not affect cranking.
If the generator cranks, but does not start (or stay running), then I would look at the fuel solenoid.
I would look elsewhere for the lack of cranking. There is a starter solenoid on the other side of the engine -- follow the big wire from the starter. I would start there.
Without knowing the make and model of your generator, it's hard to be more specific. (Kubota made the engine, and the V2203 is the engine model. Many, many generator manufacturer's have used Kubota engines over the years, and all have slightly different control systems.)
Good luck.
-Sean
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Hans (Buellhans)
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Username: Buellhans
Post Number: 89
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 199.60.189.9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:17 am: | |
Junk your bus Sean |
quantum merlin (Quantum500)
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Username: Quantum500
Post Number: 30
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.57.21.17
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:08 am: | |
If you can get to the starter short it from positive starter terminal to positive starter solenoid terminal with the ignition in the on position. That will give you a quick and to the point diag. If it cranks and doesn't start look else where. If it doesn't crank you have some starter related problems. Trust me your generator won't run you over even if you do leave it in gear. |
J.C.B. (Eagle)
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Username: Eagle
Post Number: 132
Registered: 12-2000
Posted From: 166.214.76.80
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 9:23 am: | |
John I think what you are describing is the STOP solenoid. Remove the bolts and try and start it. I had the same problem and that is what I did and had to replace that solenoid about $125.00 from WRICO check with Republic Diesel if you have one there they quoted me a price of about $90.00 after I had ordered one from WRICO. If it is the three wire this is Kubota's part #1745460010. |
Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
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Username: Luvrbus
Post Number: 121
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 74.32.84.136
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 9:38 am: | |
I think Sean is right on this because i could tie mine open with a bundage cord and it would start and run and they make so many different models solenoid for these engines its hard to guess the right one |
Cindy and John (Cindyandjohn)
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Username: Cindyandjohn
Post Number: 48
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 70.15.55.179
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:09 pm: | |
Thanks for the input guys. I dont have time today to play with it, but i will try some tomorrow evening. I am sure you ar right on the selonoid being the fuel start stop... it has an acuator arm which pushes the start / stop lever on the side of the generator. I only thought it to be the problem because I feel the starter trying to engage when i turn the generator key. I am thinking that the selonoid (which has three wires in the backof it) sends the power back to the starter? I am just guessing. This was the only part which seemed to be odd - by that I mean, it was very hot, almost electrical shorting hot - and this was only from trying to start the generator about six or seven cranks. The engine doesnt turn over at all... all i get is the selonoid arm pushing the start / stop lever. As i said, I will play some more tomorrow. Thank You, I will keep you posted.
John |
Denis (Denis)
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Username: Denis
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 75.187.210.173
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:18 pm: | |
John, Not sure if this is like the Onan, if it is, we had a similar problem and it turned out to be the adjustment of the push / pull rod of the solenoid not making contact to all of the terminals needed to allow the complete circuit. Good luck, Denis |
Jerry Campbell (Jerrync)
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 75.181.119.118
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:49 pm: | |
John on mine there selonoid on the side of the fuel pump with 2 wires there should two bolts holding it on take in off and the motor will start to stop you can put a screw driver and push and it will stop if the works you can it here in Charlotte @EPS |
J.C.B. (Eagle)
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Post Number: 133
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Posted From: 166.128.9.119
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:25 am: | |
Dick Wright informed me that what causes the solenoid to burn up is cranking for more than 20 seconds at a time. The solenoid needs time to cool down between cranking. |
Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
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Post Number: 123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:37 pm: | |
they will also burn if the adjustment is not correct thats what made mine fail they have 2 coils one for engagement and one for low amp holding, mine did any way |
Cindy and John (Cindyandjohn)
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Username: Cindyandjohn
Post Number: 49
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:41 pm: | |
Still working on it... I haven't called any place to get it yet. I messed with it a bit last night and still am not sure if it is the selonoid. only because it moves... it extends to engage start and retracts for stop? I went to the other side of the motor to mess with the starter. i tied the selonoid open (start position) and tried to tip the starter with a screw driver. lots of sparks but no crank. so i took the starter off and had it wired up still - tried to start the generator and the starter isnt extending the gear. perhaps the selonoid on the starter fried? i took it out and will take it to a starter / electric motor rebuild place close to home. Hopefully they can at least test it while i am there, to see if it is good or not. i would think that the gear should have at least extended or turned or something. Anyhow, lots of trial and error, but its fun to be a detective, so long as it isnt in an emergency to get it fixed. Thank you for all of your input. I will keep you posted.
PS: the selonoid number is model # 1751ES and part # SA-3922. I would love to be able to find out the actual make of the whole generator. There aren't and tags on it other then the stuff on the motor and that long number i posted in the beginning of this thread. It's crazy to think that these companies who make them don't put metal tags on these to identify them. I do see on the actual generator part that there was some paper tags - at least some of the glue is still there... go figure. I would also think that since this is a Kubota motor - wouldn't a kubota dealer know about it? I can only find one close enough to me that i would think to call them. If i dont get anywhere with the starter place I suppose i will be taking a drive to the kubota place. |
Cindy and John (Cindyandjohn)
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Username: Cindyandjohn
Post Number: 50
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 5:20 pm: | |
Update - I had the starter re-built, installed it and now the generator runs perfect. I guess the solenoid was good after all. Thank you kindly for all of your assistance.
John |