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jim (209.240.222.32)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:55 am: | |
i was planning to convert one of the bays (front one) on my mci-9 to use as a tool bay...... carry a wire feed welder....table saw... planer....drill press... cut off saw.... tool boxes.....i am planning on being able to carry a set of bottles for my cutting torch.....i'm looking for feedback about carrying oxygen, acetelyne,argon/co2.....i cant find any laws that prohibit this.... i am planning on secure, safe, fixed...here in texas, the bottles cant be hauled an a passenger environment.....but are the under baggage bays acceptable????.
any ideas????? |
Scott Whitney (24.205.239.4)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 1:00 pm: | |
Maybe check with your local welding supply shop and ask them what requirements their trucks must follow. They could probably at least point you to the correct section of code.
A wild a$$ guess would be they need to be transported in open air or at least in very well ventilated compartments (similar to propane?), but there is probably some code to spell it out. I can point you to the NFPA code on propane, but it doesn't deal in the other gasses.
Scott |
jake freidenberger (66.113.19.21)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 3:53 pm: | |
You are probably already aware of this but just in case....While you are checking with the local gas co. also have them explain to you the dangers of hauling an acetelyne bottle laying down. I am not saying it is illegal, but it can be dangerous if the bottle has not been uprighted for several hours before use. And make sure the compartment is well ventilated, an oxy/ace leak could leave a very big whole where your bus used to be.
Also never transport an ox bottle without the safety cap installed,,,or with the regulators still connected,,, very dangerous. have fun Jake |
jim (209.240.222.32)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 4:29 pm: | |
i asked the welding company i do business with.. their reply was:: its ok.... i have the safety caps... was planning to keep the bottles capped till use.... and if you lay an acetlyene bottle down, you'll draw liquid... which is very bad....all they would tell me is that they wont load a bottle in a passenger compartment... or the trunk of a car... they had no problems with the baggage compartment of a bus..... i talked to a texas dps trooper.. he suggested placarding the bus.. but then recanted his statement when he was told it was a private coach..... and txdot doesn't care....i have the hazardous endorsement on my cdl.....if that mattered.....im not carrying enough quantity to qualify for placarding....so i'm still at square 1..... |
CoryDanes RTSII, IL (198.29.191.148)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 5:04 am: | |
I would consider my own safety if I were to carry such gases.
Study and get whatever help you can, learn about the gases, their dangers, especially how they react to heat or cold. Learn all you can about them and talk to everyone to learn the safe way to transport this item. You must already know, if the valve body breaks off, the bottle will fly like a missle, whatever it hits will be destroyed.
Take a class or learn from a company that handles such items, find what their safety rules are for containment and securing.
I would want OXYGEN in an open air environment and probably the acetelyne. Don't give explosive gases a chance to build up anywhere.
I would want some kind of knowledge behind the items before placing them on the bus. Another thought comes to mind, some tunnels won't let you go through unless your propane tank is empty, I wonder how Oxygen and Acetelene would fair on inspection?
If you must carry this, I hope you have good luck-cd |
R.C.Bishop (128.123.88.33)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 9:45 pm: | |
Cory....tell us more about the "tunnels"..where, etc.
Thanx.
RCB |
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (67.226.254.52)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 10:53 pm: | |
If you are only going to cut with the cutting torch you could use propane. Reason, its more available when you need it. I am told it is no good for welding.
A "B" tank of acetylene 40 cu ft will stand upright in your bay. There must be oxygen tanks that will too.
Carry your argon/co2 anywhere, safely secured.
I would separate the acetylene and oxygen storage. Acetylene could go in Propane compartment if it is heavier than air also.
Now the unnecessary details:
Hospitals used to have to separate oxygen and potential fuel. Had an gas called cyclopropane
(had carbon bond angles of 60 degrees instead of 120 degrees. That means that it really wanted to burn violently to release those little molecular springs.)
They were required to have a storage room with solid protective walls and floor except one sacrificeal outside wall which was designed to blow out in an explosion like a saftey valve.
You could go all out and have a storage compartment with a reinforced passenger compartment floor, good ventilation, and a weak baggage door latch. |
Dwight (67.213.8.101)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 12:21 am: | |
oxygen and accetelene need to be seperate (I do not remember the distance) or must have a metal plate between them in transport, but I never see them transported that way on a welder's truck, must have the caps on the bottles, private transport does not need plackarding, might want to keep msds sheets handy though.... |
Keith K (65.33.34.54)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 1:55 am: | |
I drove and Ambulance for years and we carried several oxygen bottles of different sizes, Theyre not as fragile as some in here suggest, but the warnings are very real. I'm not up to date on code, but separating the o2 and acetylene in different compartments is a smart move. I recommend getting small tanks. Store the acetylene in the baggage compartment, vertical is preferred using metal straps to hold it in place to the side wall. The O2 tank could just as easily be sotred inside the coach. I would secure it in a closet or other such cabinet again with metal straps holding it in place and not worry about it. Its always a good idea to leave the caps on until ready to use.
I was involved in a rollover accident in an ambulance and the metal straps held a cylinder I could barely lift in place nicely. |
CoryDane (198.29.191.147)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 2:14 am: | |
I recall some threads talking about the tunnels or "tubes" that will not allow propane to travel through, one is in Pennsylvania but there are others. If they catch you carrying propane they will fine you because they don't want you in the tube with a explosive gas, its a safety thing dealing with confined spaces. I am sure others here can comment on this as the string had been here. |
Ace (24.28.44.126)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 6:23 pm: | |
Cory I know for a fact that there is a tunnel up in the panhandle of Florida just as you get ready to leave on I-10 that won't allow propane on the vehicle. It makes you go around the tunnel instead of thru it! Can't remember exactly what town it is though! I have always heard this is the case whenever entering a tunnel of any kind!
Ace |