| Author | Message | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193  Rating: N/A |
There doesn't seem to be that many outfits around that are capable of doing a 3 axle alignment on a coach. I had Kaiser Brake and Alignment in Eugene, OR do mine last week. Because my Eagle was stretched 5 feet I wanted to make sure it was correct from front to back. Did not want to scrub off my expensive new 315 Michelins. Fortunately, the front end was nearly right on, and the rear track was only out 1/4 inch, which was corrected to zero. I HIGHLY recommend Kaiser. A family operation, in business for over 40 years. And, they know Eagles, unlike so many others. In fact, they even manufacture their own tag shims, should you need them. They do a lot of work for the RV manufacturers like Monaco, Country Coach, etc., as well as the converters like Marathon. Nice to find someone who knows coaches. Just in case anyone is interested. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 300 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
Mark, you had the best to do your work I have been using Dick Kaiser for years and he also knows the correct shocks to use on Eagles great folks | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 71.239.202.82 Rating: N/A |
Mark That is one gorgeous lookin camper. | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 225 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 209.183.55.46  Rating: N/A |
Mark, Thanks for the information. It's nice to know someone can work on Eagle the correct way. Nice looking Eagle there! Good Luck, Paul | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
Thank you all for the compliments. I'm not into naming things, but if I was, it would probably be "the seven year itch" because that's how long it took to git 'er done. (45', mid entry door, Cummins ISM 450, World Transmission, and yes.... electric cooling fans-that work). | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 301 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
Mark, did Mike Wilson paint your bus or did you do it yourself or someone else | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 79 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
Yes, Mike did paint the bus. It was a very good experience all the way through. I would recommend Mike to anyone. (Willy's Custom Concepts, Springfield, OR) | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 302 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
You, can tell a Mike Wilson paint job even from a photo.Now we need get you in the Eagles Intl.Group need a application I will send you one.another question has Mike done anything with his Eagle.I am glad you got it finshed I did't see you at the last BUSN'USA I went to in 2006 and thought you might have given up on it turned out great now enjoy the fruits of your labor (Message edited by luvrbus on March 06, 2008) (Message edited by luvrbus on March 06, 2008) (Message edited by luvrbus on March 06, 2008) | ||
| Steve N. (N4rsn)
Registered Member Username: N4rsn Post Number: 117 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 75.105.156.215 Rating: N/A |
Thank you all for the compliments. I'm not into naming things, but if I was, it would probably be "the seven year itch" because that's how long it took to git 'er done. (45', mid entry door, Cummins ISM 450, World Transmission, and yes.... electric cooling fans-that work).` We all have determined previously------ Electric fans will NOT WORK. So I will not tell you I have used them for some time. LOL !!!!!!! Thought I would stur the pot.!!! Steve | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 303 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
Oh where is two dogs he would love this | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
Yes, it is quite annoying when all the so called experts blow off about electric fans not working. If engineered, built, and installed correctly they work well, as mine do. I wouldn't have anything else. My system is very similar to the Prevost H3 condenser fan application. Luvrbus-I joined Eagles, planning on Branson this fall. Does anyone know if there will be another rally at the plant in Brownsville this year?? My bus wasn't done in time last April. By the way, first trip in Nov. was 4,000 miles (70% off the Interstate). Fuel milage was 9.5 mpg. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 305 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
Mark, there is not one planned for the factory this year.but we will see you in Branson email me your route and maybe some of us Eagles guys can travel in one group there is a bunch coming from the west coast.Wayne our President for some reason is having a hard time getting on this board P.S. you could have kept the 9.5 mpg to yourself LOL | ||
| Richard Bell (Richardkan)
Registered Member Username: Richardkan Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 205.188.117.73 Rating: N/A |
Clifford Could the electric fans have anything to do with the 9.5 mpg? | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 306 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
Bob if it does I am damm sure going to try it I know the fan mitre box uses a lot of power I was told 35 hp once but don't know for sure (Message edited by luvrbus on March 06, 2008) | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
Without a doubt it helps. Without the parasitic HP loss caused by a miter box, belts, pulleys, idlers, etc. My two fan motors are controlled by two thermal switches (coolant), one set at 200 deg. and the other at 205 deg. In addition, I installed another switch in the intake manifold activating both fans at 160 deg. of intake air temp. Of course I have two switches on the dash so I can manually activate the fans at any time. I have a Silver Leaf Electronics flat screen digital dash which tells me the exact temps that the ECM is reading. I only have a few analog guages for backup. I have seen readings in cruise (I never drive over 62 mph) of as high as 12 mpg on the rolling mpg readout. Hard to say how the fans impact the milage, as the ISM is a very fuel efficient engine to begin with. But taking into account that a large percentage of the time the fans are not on, or maybe only one of them is on, I believe it helps quite a bit. Also, with the WTEC III World transmission (I retained the 3:36 axle ratio from when the bus had a HT740) I am only turning 1250 rpm at 62 mph, IN FIFTH GEAR. Never yet had a need to use 6th, but it's there for long gradual downgrades, etc. The ISM developes peak torque at 1200 rpm, so I cruise right at the sweet spot. If we cared to drive all freeway miles, I really think I could easily get well over 10 mpg. The coach weighs 43,000 lbs., full. Not pulling a toad, yet. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 307 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.159 Rating: N/A |
Mark, I can't wait to see that fan hookup you have I got mine up to 7.5 mpg but 9 or 10 would be better and I beleive with a different fan setup mine would be better.I had a new C15 Cat I was going to install in mine but the fuel mileage on those engines suck but I did like the Cat CX35 transmission that was with it a 8 speed automatic | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 82 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
I will attempt to post a 3 picture combination of the fans upon completion of the installation. The blade assemblies are Prevost H3 condenser fans. The motors are Scott, 12VDC, 40 amp, .50 hp, 1600 rpm. The shroud is custom made stainless.  | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 83 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
Here is a better picture (I hope)  | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 773 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 216.9.250.83  Rating: N/A |
Ok whenever any of you want fans like these, let me know and have some money on hand as it won't be too long until mine are removed from the bay of my H3. Don't know what they are worth but easy to find out! Ace | ||
| doug yes (Dougg)
Registered Member Username: Dougg Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 151.213.163.251 Rating: N/A |
If one were to mount those fan motors on a Mci 102-D where the radiators are up above the engine, you would have to cut holes in the radiator grille, then cover the motors with bumber bullets off a 54 Buick. What a look that would be! | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
In reference to Ace's post, keep in mind that the Prevost A/C condenser motors are 24V. They are also 2 speed motors. All of which is great, if you have a 24V chassis system. In the case of my 12V Eagle, I had to have custom motors made, ie shaft size and length, rotation, RPM, mounting spec, etc. Too bad, because the 24V motors draw way less amperage. | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 213 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Hi Mark Awsome rig you have there. We need to talk, having trouble finding the right pieces locally. Here is a picture, and I think you will recognize that grey coloured thingy. When is a good time to call? Joe.  | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 86 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.180.53.193 Rating: N/A |
Hi Joe. Yes I recognize the grey thing. Looks like it's getting ready to get married. I bet you are looking for info on shift linkage? I have forgotten the research I did on that, will have to refresh my feeble mind. Send me an email with your questions if you would like. | ||
| Muddog16 (Muddog16)
Registered Member Username: Muddog16 Post Number: 370 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.142.130.18 Rating: N/A |
Mark nice looking installation! That shroud is excellant craftsmanship! Ace why are you pulling your fans out? Pat http://prevostlemirage.blogspot.com/ | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 774 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 216.9.250.110 Rating: N/A |
Don't ever use them! | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 252 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.90.224.151 Rating: N/A |
The great fuel economy , A really efficient very modern engine) may put more fuel to work at moving the coach than the early cruder engines. The 2 cycle DD dump huge heat losses into the exhaust and cooling system. Perhaps an engine from later than a 1936 design can do well with electric fans? But the early stuff cant? FF | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 775 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 70.221.193.138 Rating: N/A |
I was informed by a friend that called me about the recent "ACE" activity on the other board that he has used electric fans for about the last ten years on his MCI and says they have worked great! FWIW Ace | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 735 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.52.182.188  Rating: N/A |
Ace, I would like to talk to the person with the electric fans on an MCI. Jack | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 782 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 70.220.175.170 Rating: N/A |
Jack, as you know, I gave you his number and then I talked to him and he said call anytime! Glad I could help and hook the two of you up! If I can talk him into traveling to the Rally, you can lay an eye on him! Ace Almost forgot, you and Paula have a great and safe trip and don't forget to deliver my message!  (Message edited by ace on March 11, 2008) |