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joe shelton (Littlewind) (67.241.222.41)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 9:38 pm: | |
I ran out of time/place to change my oil so I took it to a truck shop and ask them to use Rotella 40 wt. When I picked it up I ask what oil they used and the foreman said Valvaleen 40 wt (how ever you spell it). I said "I told you I wanted Rotella 40." He said they couldn't find it and it was the same stuff any way. I said he should have called me and I would have brought it to him. Bla, bla, bla...
Any way, should I get the Valvaleen out of my DD or is it ok for 1K to 5K mi?
Joe
4106-2119 |
Jayjay (65.142.15.100)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 10:14 pm: | |
If I were really desperate I might go a hundred miles, so it's probably only good to limp in to a reputable/knowledgeable shop to get a real oil change. Try to force the miscreant at the previous place to pay for part/all of the next one. Show him 'Da Book, and maybe ask him for the name of his attorney..??? ...JayJay |
Frank Allen (152.163.207.213)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 10:32 pm: | |
Valvealine oil is what totally destroyed a cadillac i had in 25000 miles, i would never run my 06 with anything but the recomended oil. too expensive to replace or rebuild.
Frank |
joe shelton (Littlewind) (67.241.228.153)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 11:19 pm: | |
Correction: It wasn't Valvaleen 40 wt; it was Valvaleen 30 wt! |
RJ Long (Rjlong) (24.127.74.29)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 11:50 pm: | |
Joe -
I used to run Valvoline (correct spelling, btw) 20-50 wt racing oil in my '66 Corvair autocrosser back in the late '60s and early '70s. Never had any problems with it, altho those motors were like Detroits - by the time it was due for an oil change, you didn't have to 'cause the dirty stuff had all leaked out and you'd been putting fresh stuff in it anyway!
Seriously, when I first started in the bus industry (I put myself thru college driving Crown & Gillig school buses), our shop ran 30wt oil in all the diesels, both Cummins and Detroits. Don't know the brand, but you know gov't entities - it was probably low bidder. It's been so long ago, I couldn't tell you what the oil consumption was, or the 30wt's effect on engine wear, but I do know they'd get about 250K miles out of an engine before overhauls.
The first charter outfit I worked for, (while a senior in college), had eight GM coaches: four Scenicruisers, two 4104s and two 4106s. We had to add oil on the road, as necessary, and I remember it being 30wt - sometimes Shell, sometimes Chevron, sometimes Penzoil, sometimes Valvoline. Seemed like it was whatever they got the best deal on a case. . .
But before you totally panic, try contacting Valvoline and see if they can give you the ash content in that oil. If it's around 85%, like DDA recommends, you'll probably be ok for the short-term. But check first.
Then do what JJ suggested!
RJ
PD4106-2784
Fresno CA |
Craig Smith (65.202.123.254)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 7:47 am: | |
Hi All,
A substitute recommended oil is Chevron Delo 100 40 wt.
Craig S. |
Mark Medin (67.112.96.213)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 7:13 pm: | |
Oh dear, RJ, I hope you mean .85%.
Mark
ps - 250K from a detroit isn't exactly great. |
RJ Long (Rjlong) (24.127.74.29)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 7:45 pm: | |
Mark -
Well, that elusive period seemed to disappear between pounding out the original and posting it to the board. Must be off in cyberspace somewhere. . . Yes, I did mean point (.)85% ash content.
I agree that 250K from a DDA isn't great, until you consider that it was in service similar to transit: stop, go, stop, go, etc. five days per week, with a few field trips thrown in here and there. (This district was different than most, as it ran the Crowns & Gilligs all day, from 5:30am until late afternoon/early evening. Most districts run their school buses two/three hours in the morning, then two/three hours in the afternoon. But because of staggered school start times, kindergarten runs, vocational ed runs, etc., these coaches piled up the miles daily. The few dog-noses in the fleet sat most of the day - your tax dollars at work!)
I know Greyhound frequently would get 450 - 500K out of the 8V71s. . . but that's mostly hiway, the easiest on a drivetrain. And the S-50s and S-60s are turning over a million easily, both in bus and truck operations.
As for our DDAs in RV use. . . With routine maintenance, they'll outlive us!
RJ
PD4106-2784
Fresno CA |
dougthebonifiedbusnut (24.218.119.24)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:32 pm: | |
the most important piece of info on an oil can is the sae(society of aotomotive engineers)or api (somethink patrolium institute) rating there is no valvoline spicket coming out of the ground or castrol spicket or any other spket either it all comes from the same croud oil some regions have different properties than others for example pensulvania oils are assentially high in sulpher content not a good thing most of the oil comes from our friends the arabs so the croud is about the same the blending of some of the additives may be a little different but all 15-40 with a sea or api rating for your engine is the same the most useless piece of info on the can is the name brand |
FAST FRED (63.215.234.63)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 5:45 am: | |
I'm afraid I would disagree with Doug.
No question , its oil , BUT its NOT ALL oil.
What you are paying for is the "additive package" that makes up about 15% of diesel lube oil.
These are the goodies that prevent scuffing , have anti corosion chemicals , and detergent , and at least half a dozen other properties needed in a diesel.
True that many oils come from the same refinery , but they DO NOT come with the same contents.
FAST FRED |
John Riogby (65.112.227.94)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 9:36 am: | |
DDA Recomends Delvac 1240 for the 71 series.I can tell after using it for about a year.It inceases the oil pressure .Even when the engine is hot it holds a much higher pressure.
John Rigby |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:02 pm: | |
So what oil would you recommend I run in my Cummins 220, and for that matter, what should I use to make up my coolant mixture?
Thanks!
Gary |
Johnny (63.159.184.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 2:22 am: | |
API=American Petroleum Institute.
For a Cummins, my big-rig-mechanic swears by Rotella 15W-40 (the fleet had several Cummins engines). Come to think of it, he swears by it in ANY diesel (it's what I use in my Navistar-powered F-350). |
FAST FRED (63.215.235.34)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 6:04 am: | |
For coolant any DIESEL TRUCK coolant NOT automotive PRESTONE, mixed 50 /50 with distilled water will work great.
BE sure to chemicaly clean 7 flush the OLD antifreezix out , then flush 2 more times for real clean.
I just buy it from the local DD dealer (antifreez and flush chemicals) , cheap & no worries if its the "right stuff".
Even the really good antifreez needs to be checked every 6 months or so , and some make up chemicals (from the DD dealer for test strips & make up chemicals).
Then everything needs RE-doing every 3 years or so , as the antifreez only has limited life , even when kept first class .
Not cheap at about 100 Q of coolant , but LOADS cheaper than replacing an engine from overheating.
FAST FRED |
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