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Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 5:30 pm: | |
Hello All;
OK, now at the stage of planning that I need to know which side of the bus should I mount the holding tank dump valves at? Will be behind the rear wheels. Is this a good location?
Can chose either side. Seems the driver's side is normal but I need to be sure. Any ideas out there that I am missing? It's a cruddy job, but someone has to do it. Thanks in advance. Henry |
Tom Caffrey (Pvcces) (64.114.233.102)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 6:22 pm: | |
You might consider both sides; we have found that we have needed both sides on our coach.
Ours is set up so any flushing is done only from the right side, but we can dump from either side. I guess a lot would depend on how difficult it is to set up.
Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 |
Lin (65.184.0.189)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 7:38 pm: | |
As the previous post notes, two sides are better than one. However, if you are going to have it on one side like the millions of motorhomes out there dumping, it better be on the right (driver's) side. That's the way the campgrounds are set up. |
Jayjay (65.134.220.25)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:03 pm: | |
FYI. The new Federal Standards say that all dumping is from the left side. Check the Plumbing Codes, since there is a section that covers motorhomes.(Distance from rear bumper etc.) To be legal on the highway today (no grandfathering on this one)you may NOT have a dump facility on the right side of the motorhome. If it has one, it must be permanently capped (glued shut). While underway, the sewer drain must have a cap on it. If you have an auto, or remote controlled dump and the cap is not on it is an automatic fine, even if they didn't see you dumping while underway. Also...you may only dump gray water at an approved sewer dump station, no more clearing the tank along the road or in the BLM lands. HTH Cheers...JJ |
Lin (65.184.0.189)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:22 pm: | |
Sorry, I used right side as if facing the vehicle. That is why I made sure to add "driver's side." You are right. Facing front it is left. |
Scott Whitney (24.205.233.25)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:54 pm: | |
I have a dump on both sides. Don't remember reading in the NFPA 1192 that it is NOT allowed to be on the passenger side. Is this in the new 2002 code or did I just overlook it in my 1999 code? (It is capped, but I have no intention of removing it eitherway - just curious)
Scott |
Dwight (67.213.8.235)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 12:55 am: | |
driver side, any where within 15' from the rear of the coach, all hook ups for that matter, rvia code.... |
pd41044039 (64.12.101.174)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 10:05 am: | |
Where you will want a dump on ther passenger side is if you want to pull in to a site rather thatn back in, that is, face the wrong way. We do this sometimes when we travel with friends & want to face both awnings together.
You could accomplish this with extra hose if need be.
By the way, they build million dollar Prevost conversions with left & right side dumps.
I think somebody needs to challenge a law that would fine you for having a closed, non automatic pipe on the right side.
While making illegal dumping a bit more difficult, it doesn't prevent it at all. |
Jojo Colina (Du1jec) (68.8.172.117)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:03 am: | |
The original bus restroom is on the right side, are they not? Why is this allowed? I know the dump port is on the holding tank on the right side of the bus. |
Jim Ashworth (Jimnh) (172.129.115.44)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:18 am: | |
Jayjay- I'm curious about the "Federal" standards you referred to. Which Federal agency? Do you have website referrals? Which code do I look up? Never having heard about Federal regulations for motorhome plumbing, I am just looking for more info.
Jim |
DaveD (207.236.51.126)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:51 am: | |
In Canada there is the CAN/CSA-Z240 RV standards series on recreational vehicles. These include vehiclar requirements, plumbing requirements, requirements for propane appliances and equipment and electrical requirements.
The plumbing requirements for dump valves is that they be on the left (driver's) side of the vehicle, located within 6.7 m (approx. 22 ft. ) of the rear of the vechicle, or across the back of the unit between the centreline and the left side wall.
These standards have input from regulators, RV associationsand RV manufacturers and include NFA requirements (in the propane and electrical). sections)
I imagine there are equivalent ANSI standards in the US. The cost for CSA series of standards was $140.00 Canadian dollars, money, in my opinion, that was well spent. They cover many safety as well as performance aspects, and should help in creating a conversion that will have better resale value, should that ever become necessary.
DaveD |
Scott Whitney (24.205.233.25)
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The only code I am aware of (other than the NEC which has an RV section) is the National Fire Protection Agency's ANSI 1192. It covers plumbing, propane, and other sundries. But I am referring to a 1999 edition and, admittedly, have not read it looking specifically for a restriciton on passenger-side dumps.
Also, I don't think anything in the NFPA code is law, but rather just standards. So I doubt you could get cited for violating any of it unless it consisted of gross negligence.
Scott |
Jim Ashworth (Jimnh) (172.132.137.239)
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Scott- I have the 1991 version of the ANSI 119.2 code and find nothing there either relative to RH dump valves. You are right, it is not law, but standards which may be adopted by an "authority having jurisdiction" which is responsible for enforcement after adoption. Hopefully Jayjay will have the answer to my previous post.
Jim |
Jayjay (65.134.221.192)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 9:38 pm: | |
The Fed standards I referred to are NHTSA, and EPA. They are about dumpimg practices, more than placement of the valves. The EPA standard is in a section on hazardous waste dumping/Non-commercial and Industrial (Huh??)If you park on the BLM Lands near the Dunes just west of Yuma, you may be asked by a Fed, to show your system for compliance. This news came from Stan and Shirley Houghton of Ankorage, or Joe Laird, also of Alaska. Since I spoke with both of them within a day or so of each other, I don't recall which one had it happen to them. Oh, and yes the NFPA and its various codes DO carry the force of law. (Ask any Code Inspector, or read the first few pages of your code book. No million dollar Prevost were built in 2000 and newer with dual dumps, unless they are illegal. I agree that we often are scofflaws,(moi' included) but my point was that the possibility of arrest was real. This past April, at a California Inspection Station on I-8, between Yuma AZ, and Calexico, CA they busted someone for the uncapped auto-dump system . I guess he was still dripping though, and someone with a cell phone had called his tag in. I saw it in the Yuma newspaper while I was there. This same thread was on the 'Board a long time ago, and someone posted the applicable law sections. Perhaps we'll get lucky and that person will jump in again. I'm not finger pointing, just saying be careful with you conversion, to stay out of trouble. Good Luck, and Cheers...JJ |
mel 4104 (208.181.100.57)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 10:39 am: | |
the trouble with auto dumps on the right side is tempting to some people to pull up where they think they are not seen and then dump along the side of the road. we had a fellow in a rv start to dump in our area and was caught so he started to drive awayleaving a wet line behind him when stoped by the law and give a ticket he went down the road and while drivingg dumped the rest with the cop behind him. he rode into town in the back seat of a car and the rv came by wrecker. the court case was a week later...not a happy camper. mel 4104 |
Scott Whitney (24.205.233.25)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 2:08 pm: | |
Well, my right side dump is capped, not automatic, and behind a latched door. But your post got me thinking. . .
When I've just filled my fresh tank, the overflow will leak some as I go around corners and leave a trail of water behind me. Has anyone ever been pulled over for leaking fresh water? I think it would be easily explained to the officer.
I see OTR trucks leaking water or something all the time, so it is probably not a big deal. But it occurrs to me, from an officer's point of view, it might be hard to discriminate what exactly is leaking. . . (i.e melting snow, sewer water, fresh water, or ???)
Scott |