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| Dave Hartshorne (Yeeolde48)
Registered Member Username: Yeeolde48 Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.209.222.82  Rating: N/A |
Haven’t posted in a while, been busy traveling overseas for work, so only made a few trips in the old girl this year. Since most of our bus trips are to racetracks with no hook-ups, we are faced with the need to dump the black water on return home. The local dump stations are about 20 miles from home and have increased fees from $3-5 last year to $20-25 this year, so getting prohibitively expensive. Does anyone on the board know if it is legal to connect an auxiliary line into my main sewer pipe at the house, with an external “dump pipe”? I would keep it sealed except when dumping. Just wondered if anyone has done it, or has any advise before I approach local council with a permit application. Cheers, Dave PD4501-304 | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 865 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.180.124.221 Rating: N/A |
Sure can - Why not? They are charging you for the sewer anyway if you fill your fresh water from the house - I use my 3" cleanout that I conveniently put in the driveway - HTH | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 280 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 69.143.52.250  Rating: N/A |
__. I think that this is one issue that I'd do -- very carefully and with complete workmanlike installation - but wouldn't ask any official questions about ... IYKWIM. | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 257 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 72.89.123.52  Rating: N/A |
My dad did this at his place. Be extra careful or better yet get a septic guy do run a line for you into your pool. Bruce is entirely correct. | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 47 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 71.198.253.223 Rating: N/A |
Call your town's building department -- from SOMEONE ELSE'S PHONE. Ask about this, and write down the name of the person you get the answer from. It will range somewhere between "Sure, no problem" to "you need a building permit" to a flat-out NO. Before I started fulltiming, I had this setup at my sticks and bricks house. The building inspector who said "No, sorry, you will need to apply for another hookup permit, get inspected, and so on. However, we don't have standards for the purity of the water used in a cleanout trap. Permit to install a cleanout trap is five bucks." | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 501 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 208.100.193.169 Rating: N/A |
The danger is if you have a septic system ,not city discharge. You run the risk of dumping far more liquid at one time than the septic tank can handle , which pushed partially dissolved waste over the lip, and filling the field.The field is only to get rid of water , not the chunks. Second problem is should you use a NO STINK chemical in your black tank it is probably formaldahide , which will kill the action in your septic tank. MUCH UNGOOD The poisoning with chemicals is the reason why so many roadside dump stations at rest areas have been closed. FF | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 502 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 208.100.193.169 Rating: N/A |
PS , If you CAN dump into a city sewer system the best way to do it is to get a macerator that clips on to the hose conection , and run a 1 inch hose to the clean out while your dumping. Put it all away between dumps , no permit needed. A 120V macerator is far better than the 12V ones from Par or Jabsco. My favorite Obendorfer. FF | ||
| Jack Tucci (Tuccitown)
Registered Member Username: Tuccitown Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 70.90.177.26 Rating: N/A |
Call it a clean out. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1216 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9  Rating: N/A |
Around here, you can dump free of charge at Flying J truck stops when getting fuel. | ||
| Leslie Robinson (Lesr44)
Registered Member Username: Lesr44 Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 70.50.29.130 Rating: N/A |
http://www.sanidumps.com/ F R E E or n e a r l y F R E E try this; on the green bar move cursor over country; click on your country; click on your state; pick a location; @ bottom of location box is a link to google maps and/or gps locator | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 71.239.202.82 Rating: N/A |
Why don't you just buy a masserator pump and hook that up to the bus. You hook a garden hose up to it and run it into a toilet or any garage floor drain. Way less costly and easier. Badabing-badabang | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1372 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.68.134.32  Rating: N/A |
Yup, you are wanting to install a new clean out... Dare if you want, to mention the RV aspect... Any long dormant bylaws about parking an RV? Raise your taxes after the install? Deny your permit and watch you like a hawk for what other infractions? Good luck! happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| George M. Todd (George_mc6)
Registered Member Username: George_mc6 Post Number: 591 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 76.91.197.153 Rating: N/A |
The macerator is a good idea, but a garage floor drain isn't. It may well not have a trap, and if there hasn't been any water down it in the last couple of months, and it doesn't smell, its not connected to the sewer. Happy dumping, G | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 357 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.208.148.182 Rating: N/A |
Good grief....Garage floor drain????....you are joking, of course..."""   RCB | ||
| Jack Hart (Jackhartjr)
Registered Member Username: Jackhartjr Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 205.188.117.73 Rating: N/A |
I guess my question is who is charging $20 to $25 for a dump station and why? I would let the world know what a rip off they are! Jack | ||
| David Lower (Dave_l)
Registered Member Username: Dave_l Post Number: 82 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.58.201.10  Rating: N/A |
Ok I have to ask what is a macerator? ( Thanks for the answer FF!) Dave L (Message edited by dave_l on October 15, 2008) | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 505 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 208.100.193.43 Rating: N/A |
A macerator is a very trouble prone device (in 12V) that works like a blender and chops the waste into such fine particles it can be pushed thru a 1 inch hose. The hassle is 2 fold , if there is not enough water the paper and poo are far more than a tiny motor can handle , which required loads of power the 12V doesn't have. Second hassle is the macerator may be far from the DC power so large 8 or 10 wiring is required , but not installed. Simplest cure is a NON RV crap, macerator , the marine Galley Maid is a good choice as it hooks to a water line to help dilute the goop, and the DC motor is about the size of a Chevvy starter . Needs real wiring , and is marine priced . Have seen a fellow that used an AC unit hooked on to an elbow that allowed water to be added as it worked A Kluge version of the Galley Maid , but it did work. FF | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 328 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.156.190 Rating: N/A |
Jack, we have been charged $15 by private campgrounds to dump when we were not staying there. They probably thought they were getting pretty good money as the typical RV is about 25-30 gallons of blackwater. But I felt we got a fair deal as our 150 gallons whooshed out into their dump connection! | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1218 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9 Rating: N/A |
Run the waste into a 55 gallon drum...install a 10 to 20 hp outboard motor....run at maximum speed for ten minutes...pump out 1 inch hose to your choice of drain. | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 71.198.253.223 Rating: N/A |
John, you'd have to bill that as "putting the RUDE in Evinrude!" | ||
| James Robinson (Jjrbus)
Registered Member Username: Jjrbus Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.150.79.211 Rating: N/A |
It is not uncommon to find campgrounds that charge $20 to $25 just to dump!!!! On Niagara Falls blvd in Tonawanda NY there is a campground that charges travelers $25 to dump, right down the street is Colton an RV dealer, that lets you dump for free!! Best to ask around. | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 867 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.180.124.221 Rating: N/A |
I've found the roadside welcome stations and visitor centers are very knowledgable about free dump stations. Many of the state welcome centers have free dump facilities. AK is great because evey fuel station has free dumps. FWIW | ||
| Dave Hartshorne (Yeeolde48)
Registered Member Username: Yeeolde48 Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.209.222.82 Rating: N/A |
Hi Guys, thanks for all the great comments, I had not thought about the macerator, but that is a good idea. I will still probably go with a clean out straight into the sewer, I am on city sewer, not a tank, and I do not leave the bus at the house (use a local storage lot) so would not be obvious. The local public camp ground charged $12 if you were not camping there, but recently stopped allowing dumping if your not camping. We have a public dump used by the out house industry that charges $25 and the other choice is Tom Raper RV, also $25. They claim the cost to pump out is what has driven the costs up. Will be pricing macerators over the winter, and shouldn't be to hard to add the external clean out. Thanks for the tips. Dave | ||
| Dave Hartshorne (Yeeolde48)
Registered Member Username: Yeeolde48 Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.209.222.82 Rating: N/A |
Hi Leslie, checked out the dump link. May help us find somewhere to dump on our way home from various race tracks, but unfortunately none in my area (Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH). | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 868 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.180.124.221 Rating: N/A |
Heck if I'd known where you were I'd just suggested when you hit Cinci on 127 just hit the remote dump switch - don't know if any one would notice - JK P.S. Sister just moved to Fla from Westchester? Hamilton area - I was just through there in August but didn't get a chance to stop in G-town | ||
| Dave Hartshorne (Yeeolde48)
Registered Member Username: Yeeolde48 Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 192.88.212.32 Rating: N/A |
Hi Niles, I work in West Chester, and live in Fairfield Township, between Hamilton and West Chester. Your welcome to stop in and visit if your in the area anytime in the future. With regards to your sister moving, now is a good time to move from Cincinnati to Florida, before the winter sets in. | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 869 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 97.76.134.179 Rating: N/A |
Dave - I think they got out in the nick of time - They sold their 4000+ square foot brick colonial in Cinnamon Run that they built brand new 15 years ago for about what they had in it - things are bad all over but that area is getting hit pretty bad - At least they moved to Fla before hurricane season hit OHIO - LOL | ||
| Dave Hartshorne (Yeeolde48)
Registered Member Username: Yeeolde48 Post Number: 61 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.209.222.82 Rating: N/A |
Hi Niles, We just helped the daughter and family buy a house and the price was low but had a tough time getting a loan. We did get hit by the hurricane, with a fair amount of damage, but the spare bus generator saved the wife, as she was without power for 6 days. I was overseas and missed all the fun. Were still waiting for the insurance adjustor to came and inspect the damage, at least the old bus was not damaged | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 870 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.180.124.221 Rating: N/A |
OOPS - Sorry Dave - I was just Kidding about the Hurricane - Sorry to hear that it hit you - I hope everything works out OK for you and yours - I'll now attempt to remove my foot from my mouth - Good Luck to you and thanks for the invite | ||
| Dave Hartshorne (Yeeolde48)
Registered Member Username: Yeeolde48 Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 192.88.212.34 Rating: N/A |
Hi Niles, no offense taken, it is pretty funny to talk about hurricains in Ohio. We were a lot better off than most and needed to get the roof replaced anyway. | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
Registered Member Username: Sffess Post Number: 746 Registered: 1-2002 Posted From: 66.38.120.219 Rating: N/A |
Near Toronto, I had to pay to dump when I was camping in the campground. They didn't have a site so I had to pay to park and run my generator and pay to dump. | ||
| L James Jones Jr (Jamo)
Registered Member Username: Jamo Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 74.79.238.147  Rating: N/A |
I'm on a septic system, can't remember if I put a 750 or a 1000 gal (conc.) tank in about 12 years ago. If I grind the poop, do you think it would be OK to dump here? I used to dump my old Southwind tank in her (I have an inline dump standpipe) without concern...or blending. Now I'm concerned. Bad idea???? Actually, I probably would have been better off If I coulda shoved that whole Southwind down that pipe... | ||
| George M. Todd (George_mc6)
Registered Member Username: George_mc6 Post Number: 599 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 76.91.197.153 Rating: N/A |
Jim, If your tank and field are operating properly, no problem. Poop isn't the problem with a septic tank. The problem is hair which never digests, along with the grit in cleansers, the dirt we wash off of ourselves, and the dirt we wash off floors, etc. Then there are eggshells, ground seeds and bones, and everything else we put down garbage disposals, that doesn't digest. All of this stuff goes to the bottom of the first side of the tank and stays there, reducing the digestive area of the tank. Eventually, solids go over the divider into the second side of the tank, and then into the leach field, which is when disaster occurs. The only cure at that point is to pump the tank, and install a new field, as all the little holes in the leach pipe are plugged. If you aren't using chemicals in your black tank, go right ahead. George | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 363 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.210.5.13 Rating: N/A |
George....which is xactly why momma and I agreed...NO Disposal.....and put NOTHING but dishwater,shower water and head water/waste in the tank. (a bit of bleach now and then the exception) We have a septic at the house, 1200 gallon,and so far, after 11 years, no problems. But then, we have the same agreement in the house. Yes we do dump the coach water into the system. Perhaps lotsa' extra "trash", but it pays off. And the trash bill is the same no matter. Oh, and egg shells don't take up much room in the trash.... FWIW RCB (Message edited by chuckllb on October 23, 2008) | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1377 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.71.101.101 Rating: |
It would seem to me the idea when dumping into your own septic system is to take it easy... Don't full flow 50 gallons through a three inch pipe into the septic and expect it not to have issues. Using a macerator and a hose will act as an excellent flow control? happy coaching! buswarrior |
