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| JamesB (56gmbusman)
Registered Member Username: 56gmbusman Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 96.39.174.3 Rating: N/A |
i know everyone will think I'm crazy bus I'm looking for a M.A.N SG or any brand pusher. Located in Medford Oregon. If you have any leads please call 541-941-8795 thanks Nick... | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.58.200.38  Rating: N/A |
There is an Eagle articulated sitting in Lowell, OR at Green Tortoise's yard. Some GM's too. | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 911 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.54.29.215 Rating: N/A |
James, I do not know what you want to use this bus for, but are you aware that 45' is the longest length allowed legally for an RV? | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1271 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9 Rating: N/A |
If you are thinking of using it for an rv, instead, go down to the local bar and pay a guy to give you a major ass-kickin. Get it over now and save the pain from later. | ||
| JamesB (56gmbusman)
Registered Member Username: 56gmbusman Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 96.39.174.3 Rating: N/A |
it wont be for an Rv, just another addition to the collection. | ||
| JamesB (56gmbusman)
Registered Member Username: 56gmbusman Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 96.39.174.3 Rating: N/A |
I would actually like to get a hold of Mikey in Lowell if anyone has a contact. | ||
| david anderson (Davidanderson)
Registered Member Username: Davidanderson Post Number: 239 Registered: 2-2004 Posted From: 75.53.30.203 Rating: N/A |
It would be really cool to be some type of a dining car at a resturant or something. | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 68 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.208.232.242 Rating: N/A |
45' is the max length for an RV, but when I was kicking this idea around, the DMV told me that if the front could be driven without the rear, and it had some type of bulkhead (think "rear cap" with a door in it), to drive the front over to register it, then bring the tail over later to title and register it as a trailer. Fortunately, before I actually spent any money on the idea, someone else got the thing and it became their problem. | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 328 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 4.88.105.247  Rating: N/A |
Good "lateral thinking" Kieth! And I was thinking that if DMV won't register it as a RV (or what ever the State calls a "living area vehicle" where you are), register it as a bus. The "cubano expresses" that run through here have restroom, sleeping quarters, and food service and they're buses. And I like the idea of a long bus. Wouldn't it be great to get 65 feet of floor space to spread out in? Is there any way to get 65 feet of floor space and not exceed about 33' vehicle length? You know, I think there is :^) | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.208.121.45 Rating: N/A |
Well, having become VERY familiar with articulated buses, I'm a whole lot happier with my 4903 . . . Off topic, Bruce, but is that YOUR L-19? | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1437 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.66.16.143  Rating: N/A |
53 feet, fully clear floor, straight and square walls, inside height 110 inches, inside width 100 inches, no windows to skin over, no roof to raise... Large selection of manufacturers, competitive pricing, heavy duty running gear, wide choice of available power units... easily upgradeable without messy engine swaps and drive train gearing and parts limitations Lots of them doing it in Fort McMurray, AB so I am told, for there is a living quarters shortage. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 350 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.157.42 Rating: N/A |
This topic has been discussed before. Are you aware that articulated buses are restricted to certain routes, planned out in advance? Even if you could weasel your way through the bureacratic nightmare to register as an RV, there is a real practical reason they restrict these beasts. It takes a lot of forward looking and awareness of places not to turn into or go to navigate a 35-45 foot bus/motorhome around. If you want floor space, you would be better served with a double decker Neoplan or 4 slide outs. Just my $.02 worth. | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 329 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 4.153.53.239 Rating: N/A |
Keith wrote: "is that YOUR L-19?" Negative. It's owned by US Forest Service and under lease to NC Forest Service - I'm an air attack pilot for NCFS. We have 7 ex-military (5 flying and two in the boneyard) and one Ector. *Sweet* airplane! | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 330 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 4.153.53.239 Rating: N/A |
Jim Bob wrote: "If you want floor space, you would be better served with a double decker Neoplan or 4 slide outs." I'd agree with that ... (except I'm a little leery of slide-outs). | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 351 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.157.42 Rating: N/A |
I despise slide outs. But better slide outs than an articulated "motorhome". | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1439 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.66.16.143 Rating: N/A |
An articulated bus drives around like any other bus of similar wheelbase. The trouble is when the driver physches himself out, which is often, given the poor training many places gave the drivers. They need no more room to turn than anything else we drive. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.209.90.159 Rating: N/A |
The one exception is trying to do a 180. You have to have a lot more room for that. "Give me 40 acres, and I'll turn this thing around . . !" | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.209.90.159 Rating: N/A |
Bruce, I'd rather have the Mixmaster (O-2). Fast, fun, lots of interior room, and you never forget the looks you see when you pull up on someone's wing with the front prop stopped. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1440 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.66.16.143 Rating: N/A |
Nope, the trailer just follows the front. The GM artic and the Ikarus/Crown/Orion, and the current New Flyer, they turn just as tight or sometimes a shade tighter than a 40 footer. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 353 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.157.42 Rating: N/A |
With respect, Mr. Warrior, I think it would be a real PITA to wiggle through many of the campgrounds out there. And I don't see how you can do a back & fill or a K turn with one of those. We've been in places where we had to back out of with a 35 footer. Hey, maybe James just wants to drive it around his yard. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1441 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.66.16.143 Rating: N/A |
I have not made comment as to the intended use, the original poster has no plans to build a camper out of one, and no one talked about threading one anywhere into a campground. You've perhaps missed the whimsy in the thread? If you didn't know, a tractor trailer van is 53 feet long, with 110 inches of inside height, with square and straight walls.... I'm concerned with misinformation about the turning abilities of an articulated bus and the myths that surround them. Anywhere a 40 footer will go in forward gear, a 60 foot artic will follow, was my point, and the myth that it is somehow a monster to turn needs some comment. As for not being able to negotiate a turn, same as anything else, best to not drive any vehicle or combination forward if one cannot reverse it out on the same course one took in. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 332 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 4.153.53.208 Rating: N/A |
Keith wrote: "I'd rather have the Mixmaster (O-2)." Yeah, I understand that but the best thing about the BirdDog is that you can throttle doen to about 1700 and crank in about 15 degrees of flap and the thing will hang in the air about 70 mph -- it's the perfect machine for us. We're also almost always alone in the aircraft, so seats and load capacity don't matter. They're trying to move us into OV-10's but that is a way wrong airplane for us, although we're in the same position as US forces in SouthEast Asia; they needed an aircraft that could "loiter" in a local area but often the distances involved mean that there are distances to be covered. They never found an aircraft that could do both -- the O-2 and OV-10 are fast but they're both pretty poor as local observation platforms. Too big, too fast, too heavy. But both are *much* easier to fly in a crosswind :^) But when the wind is right down the runway, the L-19 is a great airplane to fly. | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.211.210.115 Rating: N/A |
"If you didn't know, a tractor trailer van is 53 feet long, with 110 inches of inside height, with square and straight walls.... " Yes, but it bends right up near the front, instead of pretty much in the middle. A LOT easier to back up to turn around in a tight place. Yes, if you have room to just move forward and turn, it's not a problem, but I was talking more about getting turned where you have to hit reverse. | ||
| JamesB (56gmbusman)
Registered Member Username: 56gmbusman Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 96.39.174.3 Rating: N/A |
actually if you look on Newflyer's website the turning radius is tighter then the 40ft and close to the 35ft coach. I drive a Newflyer C35LF for work and can say it turns on a dime. I bet it would be alot easier then my SDM 5301. | ||
| Bryan Larrabee (Busasaurus)
Registered Member Username: Busasaurus Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 24.84.136.155  Rating: N/A |
Nick, Getting back to your original question, I've seen a couple of artics advertised in the North West RV Trader that covers Oregon and Washington. If you're not in a hurry, check out that publication every couple of weeks. I've seen the same 2 advertised over the past 3 years. One was a MAN and the other a 1981 Crown. I doubt if there's a big market for them so the seller is probably still trolling for a buyer. Bryan Vancouver BC | ||
| Steveggt (Steveggt)
Registered Member Username: Steveggt Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.116.108.211 Rating: N/A |
Hi Nick, Golden Gate Transit in San Rafael, CA (about 15 miles north of San Francisco) has about 14 retired articulated 1990 New Flyer D60 artics that they acquired from SamTrans in late 2002. I believe 6 are in running condition (the others were used for parts) and will be going up for auction some time around Feb or Mar. They have DDEC 6V92 with ATEC 748 trannies, so you won't be going too fast...top speed is around 57. As far as I know, the runners are 515, 516, 517, 518, 520, and 521...with 520 and 521 being the best runners. Because of CA's strict emissions requirements, a CA buyer can't purchase the bus. If you want more info, like getting on the bidders list (GGT uses sealed-bid auctions), contact Nicole Gilardi at ngilardi@goldengate.org or (415) 257-4455. Hope this helps, Steve | ||
| JamesB (56gmbusman)
Registered Member Username: 56gmbusman Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 96.39.174.3 Rating: N/A |
that might be a good bet, with a sealed bid what would be an average auction price for a similar bus? | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 376 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.230.210  Rating: N/A |
If you want to see how an articulated bus handles scroll down in the topics and look up the TUNNEL OF DEATH that will give you an idea of how to drive one. Whew what a ride! gomer | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.208.180.156 Rating: N/A |
"Because of CA's strict emissions requirements, a CA buyer can't purchase the bus." It would probably cost more to tow it out of state than to buy one. Your competition for the running ones will be bus companies and smaller transit systems, who will probably want to buy all of them, and the hangar queens too. If that happens, the buyer might be willing to let one go at a reasonable price. Anyone who buys an articulated bus as a toy is welcome to the artwork idea that I had intended to use -- it was a silver Slinky Dog, with the constant-volume bellows as the spring . . .thinks "Slinky Greyhound" . . ! | ||
| Mike Eades (Mike4905)
Registered Member Username: Mike4905 Post Number: 176 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 97.106.122.149 Rating: N/A |
56gmbusman, I have a friend who has serial number one of the prevost artcliate. The major problem is 1.5 miles to a gallon. 12 clynder dd in 92 series. Big bus runs almost every day in Tampa,fl. Co. called anywhere tours of FL. Wayne likes the bus and spends a lot of money to keep it in good shape. |