| Author | Message | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 174.147.88.10 Rating: N/A |
i heard about this sitting in a local landfill so while i had some down time i thought to hunt it out and verify. it is in fact here. i am waiting for the yard owner to return so i can ask him to approach it and take some pictures. i will keep you all posted with what i find | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 111 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.208.237.83 Rating: |
Uh-oh, I hear the faint footsteps of the Adoption Bug . . ! ;) I'm of the opinion that the Scenicruiser is the most beautiful coach ever built. Definitely worth saving. | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 174.147.13.19 Rating: N/A |
Walked around the coach a little while ago; it is all original. has all of the seats and all of the glass. I have pictures but not sure how to get them on the board. The guy that bought it originally planned to start a tour company and take people around using the bus but he did not. so the bus is not technically in the scrap yard, he owns the yard and keeps it there with several other large vehicles. he straight up asked 5 grand for it and said it would start right up (don't they all) recommended the air brake actuators be replaced. the floor was solid all the way arround until i got to the back where the upper seals on the windows had fallen in so i am certain it leaks. has the original bathroom up front and all of the dash is in tact. there was a fine covering of silt on everything that must be protecting it from the damaging ultraviolet rays. it was great to see but i know i cant rescue it i am tied down to my 4104. now the funny thing is that the owner said it would drive right out. i cant see how, if you notice on all of the pictures (once i get them posted) i am standing above the bus. it is setting in a pit of sorts. there is earth pushed up around it on 3 sides and several connex containers stacked behind it. listen if you all want me to pursue this further i will get his contact info and post it and i can put in some leg work on this. I know there is some serious interest in this model just based by how the board reacted to Redbull using all of your resources to get theirs put together and then they did not offer any of the parts left over to Senic cruiser owners. Now for the specifics. the door has been left open for ever and it still works from the handle at the drivers position. the right front wind shield has a soft ball sized hole in it. the bus looks like a Virginia creeper plant on the front and the driver side but i did not see the vine in the inside of the bus. hey , i just got off the phone on a stressful family member and her issues so my mind is distracted. i will leave the vin for your information PD4501 706 it is a 1955 | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 305 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.165.176.62  Rating: N/A |
Craig if you email the photos to me I can host them for you. tim.brandt at citrix.com | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 173.114.145.174 Rating: N/A |
will do | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 464 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
Somebody, anybody, please save me from this one!  I don't have room to park another.  | ||
| Manny (Buscrazyinfl)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazyinfl Post Number: 47 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 72.184.201.98 Rating: N/A |
Kyle, here's another one for you, LOL. | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 465 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
Manny, Are you gonna let me park it in your yard? (Please say no.) I've got to take the tin turd out this weekend, so many places to go, so little vacation. (Message edited by kyle4501 on May 01, 2009) | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1430 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9  Rating: |
Tin turd? when did you get an MCI or Eagle? | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 446 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.197.237  Rating: N/A |
Chessie; I have thought,without asking, that you would explain "what are you sitting in for that picture". I know it ain't a 4905 gmc so would you please tell all your listners WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT? Gomer | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 306 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221 Rating: N/A |
Gomer, About chessies picture look up an old B movie called "The Big Bus" It's about a group of people on a tip in a new nuclear powered bus. | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 1038 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.3.157.139  Rating: N/A |
Nuclear powered?? Forget the Series 60, I want one of those!! LOL Jack (Message edited by JackConrad on May 01, 2009) | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 307 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221 Rating: N/A |
Here are the details of the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074205/ Here is a short clip on you tube from the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqdcsy4hSyM and finally a few pictures of the bus (the cyclops) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8E0mazRe4k | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 1220 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 24.239.12.139  Rating: N/A |
Hi Craig, If you email me the pix I'll size them correctly and post them in this thread. Ian www.busnut.com (No offense, Tim, and thank you) | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 308 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221 Rating: N/A |
no offense taken Ian. just offering help where I'm able | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 68.247.95.254 Rating: N/A |
i am waiting on the pictures at this point. i used my coworkers camera while we were out "working" today. the settings on the camera were for 8 mega pixels so the file came out huge (25 megs). this is off topic but i really love my job, i spent 8 hours getting four 2 gang low voltage electrical boxes. in those 8 hours i went and found a scenic cruiser, reunited my partner with his family since we were in the neighborhood ( had not seen them in 8 years because he was too busy he claims {i will chastise him about that for a couple of years}) and i also found a 4905 not to far down the road from the scenic cruiser and all the while i was driving some of the most beautiful country south east Virginia has to offer. Not bad for a days work. now if i could just get some of the stuff they pay me to do done it would be perfect ;) | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 68.247.95.254 Rating: N/A |
Oh my GOD!!! that is the worst movie ever. I have to own it ASAP. Ian, i believe that it is only fair to instruct all members and guest of this board about the dangers of broken milk cartons and candles! Why this had not been in an article written by RJ long i will never know. Everyone must go to the you tube clip NOW I am going to ad Shoulders O'brien to my list of friends. | ||
| Manny (Buscrazyinfl)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazyinfl Post Number: 48 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 72.184.201.98 Rating: N/A |
It's Serendipity Kyle... and like the others, this one has your name on it. | ||
| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 137 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.161.167 Rating: N/A |
Kyle, Seven's a lucky number ...lol.... Come on what's one more going to hurt...... Kentucky Steve | ||
| macgyver (91flyer)
Registered Member Username: 91flyer Post Number: 369 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.193.225.134  Rating: N/A |
O.O A Scenicruiser for $5k? And runs? Damn. If I had the $$ I'd get it right now. Lol.... Damn unemployment sucks. As for the movie "The Big Bus"... I saw that when I was a kid. I know if I watched it today, it'd be really... REALLY cheezy... But I thought it was really cool as a kid. The mishaps are hillarious! XD Cheers! -Mac | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 447 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.197.237 Rating: N/A |
Ok thanks for the clips guys. That means Chessie is a wannabe nuclear bus driver LOL. can you imagine trying to start that thing let alone drive or better still aim it?? gomer | ||
| macgyver (91flyer)
Registered Member Username: 91flyer Post Number: 373 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.193.225.134 Rating: N/A |
Well, being nuclear.... would it ever really be "off"?? -Mac | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 21 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 68.247.95.254 Rating: N/A |
Man, i am involved in everything. the only way it would work in nuke mode is if we were to get an electric bus and run it of of a couple of those nuclear generator packs like the units installed in satelites. we hear about these units every so often out here with wallops island being right up the bay from us. they launch rockets nearly every week but every so often there is a large payload going up like a KH replacement bird labeled as an earth scanning topographer or some other giant package that has to be powered by a nuclear gen pack and green peace and Audubon society start trying to get the launch canceled saying what if the rocket explodes???? we will have glowing uranium all over the eastern shore!!!! rockets go up and then there is no more news about nuclear powered satellites. happens on average about every three years. well if one blows up i will collect the gen pack and keep it for Chessie's Cyclops! i will see if i can dig up any info on these gen packs. they have been around for decades, heck we even lost one in the mountains of china years ago during the cold war. maybe the naval nuclear instructor that lives upstairs can give me some more info. ah well. anybody want me to go get that bus? i really want to post the pictures but my partner did not post them to our server and he is camping. I will stay on him all weekend until i get therm up here. does anyone have any questions about it that maybe i can answer while the excitement is still fresh in my head? | ||
| Keith Wood (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 113 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.208.88.77 Rating: N/A |
FIVE THOUSAND for a 4501 that was driven in and parked??? Someone is in for a great time. | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 160 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.235.190  Rating: N/A |
ah the big bus, just look beyond the boring korny script & focus your make believe on the coach. As for the nuc power, based on fact, ford/ge created the "nuclemobile" as a joint effort spin off when they were testing nuclear powered B-36 bombers. I saw the black & white film of the "nuclemobile" passenger car with mine own eyes, although I was half asleep at the time. I suspect the diesel $$$ saved would not be big enough to offset the cost of disposing of your waste U-235; unless you sold it to the munition manufactures for disposal in the next invasion/decimation genocide campaign enacted on foreign soils, seem to be the accepted trend these days with your nuc waste. | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 25 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 174.147.138.129 Rating: N/A |
yep that about describes it. attack people with depleted uranium bullets and then send in the international nuclear police investigators and say we had to attack them they were making nuclear weapons... take readings the whole area is radioactive...Profit? /end of thread jack | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 174.147.138.129 Rating: N/A |
thread jack =thread hijack | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1436 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9 Rating: N/A |
Whaddya mean nuclear bus driver wannabe? They rented my Cyclops for making that movie. I had to have that piano retuned after they returned it. Those animals!! I've got a buddy that works at Three Mile Island; he swaps spent fuel rods for fresh rods for me. I usually have a headache for a couple of days after messin with them. | ||
| Patrick levenson (Zubzub)
Registered Member Username: Zubzub Post Number: 88 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.53.180.221  Rating: N/A |
where are the scenic pics? | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.235.190 Rating: N/A |
....now this is a really big bus at about 3:30 minutes in this video clip of a euro-bus show at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Z7Z-Hp5G4&feature=related not sure who made it, or if it is in production or was just a prototype. looks to be 100 feet long in 3 sections. Now that would make a creative conversion, IF ONLY you could find parking. | ||
| David Lower (Dave_l)
Registered Member Username: Dave_l Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.58.201.132  Rating: N/A |
The pics where are the pics!!! must have eye candy!! :-) Dave L | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 30 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 72.60.227.97 Rating: N/A |
i appologize about the lack of pics. i will be able to get them over to ian tomorrow afternoon. the camera has been camping all weekend with my co worker. | ||
| Patrick levenson (Zubzub)
Registered Member Username: Zubzub Post Number: 89 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.53.182.252 Rating: N/A |
just so you know. post the pics to photobucket and post the link here | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 31 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 173.114.39.114 Rating: N/A |
posted to photobucket, thanks ZUBZUB. http://s432.photobucket.com/albums/qq48/crevierc/ | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 314 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 173.77.212.104  Rating: N/A |
Why is church bus usually the end of the line? I remember when we first looked at ours, it was in a rock quarry in CT and dident look much worse but after fighting off the yellow jackets and hooking up a battery it fired right up!Someone has to save this one! | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 450 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.197.237 Rating: N/A |
Great shots craig; I think that the engine is a 8-v 71 in it, instead of the two 4-71's. That is why they put the 8-v in them because they could't keep the two running exactly together. Now if you buy this, don't worry about fixing er up! All it will take is $$$$$. DID the gut say it would fire right up and drive?? Check it out just a little further LOL. Still love the pics Gomer | ||
| macgyver (91flyer)
Registered Member Username: 91flyer Post Number: 382 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.193.225.134 Rating: N/A |
Wow. She's actually in better condition than I anticipated... She's a real find I think... Considering how few I've seen, and only ever seen them in pictures... They're as, or more, rare than my '70 4905! ^.^ Get her... She'll be a bitch for a while, but hey... Show her some love and I bet she loves you back. ;) -Mac | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 34 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 173.114.39.114 Rating: N/A |
the guy did say it would fire up and drive out. so wait, they at one point tried to install 2 engines and tied them together? i cant get this one but i wish i could. please tell your friends about her, she needs to be saved i would hate for this guy to figgure out how much money he could get for scrap metal out of it. god i hope she is rescued... | ||
| thomas mcnally (Pd45017712003)
Registered Member Username: Pd45017712003 Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 98.214.168.0 Rating: N/A |
Craig Nice work on the photos. Reporting old company names off the side, and old registration card info helps me document this one for my list. Did you notice the individual AM radios above each seat in your photos? Not many Scenics had those, just east coast area buses. Also the original radio antenea base is visible on the lower roof in one of your photos. My 1001 has the radios still. The twin diesel fours were removed in 1961/1962 during a massive rebuilding of the remaining 982 Scenics.(give or take) Did you get my private email? Thanks, Tom McNally | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 887 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.95.213  Rating: N/A |
Re: "so wait, they at one point tried to install 2 engines......" Yeah, the rumor was, one was for right turns and the other for left turns. (BW should remember that one.) | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 72.61.241.36 Rating: N/A |
hey Thomas, i did get your private email. i knew i had all the information you wanted but it was trapped into the camera over the weekend. i did not notice any radio's in the over head | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 452 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.197.237 Rating: N/A |
Now John, You know better than that!! They were a right and left turn engines but not for turning corners. They [not succeding] to save fuel by having smaller engines and guess what?? It didn't work. the moral of the story the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. I remember that phrase from somewere? Oh MOM and DAD, I think gomer | ||
| thomas mcnally (Pd45017712003)
Registered Member Username: Pd45017712003 Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 144.195.6.10 Rating: N/A |
Here is the GH fleet history for 706. PD4501-706 Eastern Greyhound Lines E-5597 Eastern Greyhound Lines 4431 The radios are visible in your photo with the caption: "look at the view". Photo shows upstairs with skylight trim hanging down. If you look at the botttom of the overhead purse racks you will see the radios above each seat. (small rectangle chrome bezels in pairs) Craig can you email that info then? Thanks, Tom McNally | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 466 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
Interesting history concerning the power plant initally installed in the PD4501's. The 2 4-71's (150 hp each) were connected with a fluid coupling. they had a 3 spd transmission with a 2 speed clutch (planetary gear set in the clutch) to the drive axle. The 4501 has always had a rear dual tired tag axle. The engine gov. had 2 speed settings, the lower was for top gear only - but some drivers figgured out how to defeat that & could hit 100 mph! The 8v71 was not available until the 60's. Greyhound had a big lawsuit with GM over the reliability of the twin 4 setup. Marmon-Herrington was awarded the contract to repower all of the surviving 4501's in the early 60's. This was done at the same time as the 'rebuild' Tom mentioned. Looks like this bus is a very good canidate for restoration to a full seated coach. If I could only find that lottery ticket . . . . | ||
| Patrick levenson (Zubzub)
Registered Member Username: Zubzub Post Number: 91 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.53.182.252 Rating: N/A |
Horrifying.....thank god I already have a bus 'cause to me it looks pretty good. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1439 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9 Rating: N/A |
I'm pretty sure that that 2 speed wet clutch was also used in some 4104's as the Hydrashift option. It gave an overdrive in each gear.They would run about 90 plus at 2300. From my experience, the wet clutch in the 4905 looks like the discs for direct in that Hydrashift. I'll bet most of those other parts were early Allison auto trans components. | ||
| thomas mcnally (Pd45017712003)
Registered Member Username: Pd45017712003 Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 98.214.168.0 Rating: N/A |
Craig Can I get the contact info for the Scenic? People have been asking for it. Thanks Tom McNally | ||
| Craig Campbell (Craig_4104012)
Registered Member Username: Craig_4104012 Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 204.232.10.1 Rating: N/A |
John C Holland enterprises in suffolk virginia i have sent the info to you in private email tom. i am hesitant to post to much info about it, i dont want red bull to know about the bus. if you need the info catch up with me on BNO facebook. | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 468 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193  Rating: N/A |
Thanks, I wish redbull would start with one of my derelict relics instead of trashing a restored bus. | ||
| thomas mcnally (Pd45017712003)
Registered Member Username: Pd45017712003 Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 98.214.168.0 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Craig. Got your email. I am carefully sharing this info with others. I am all about preservation and restoration when it comes to 4501s. Take care. Tom McNally |
