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| Bob Hughes (2wheelbob)
Registered Member Username: 2wheelbob Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2008 Posted From: 207.118.26.187 Rating: N/A |
I was reading the article at: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/whidbey/wnt/news/50785502.html There's a lot to the article -- father buys his son a used car lot to help the son turn his life around from years of drug abuse, and the son returns the favor by selling meth from the place and evidently turning many of the cars into rolling meth parlors. When the son is arrested, the county comes in, tests the cars, and the father loses $70K worth of inventory to the crusher because decontaminating them would cost even more. It's a sad story. I've been interested in the issue of meth labs for the past couple of years since one of the houses in our otherwise bucolic and peaceful island (just around the corner from me and about 100 yards from our well head) turned out to house the "most sophisticated and largest meth lab in county history," according to the detective who busted the operation. It's actually a similar story -- father buys house for his son to help him turn his life around, etc.... I've watched what it takes to clean up from a meth lab -- it's expensive, and it can cost more than the property that's involved. The property around the corner from me is worth 1/10th of what it was prior to the meth lab -- and that's after it was decontaminated. So now, as I continue to look for "my" bus, I have one more thing to think about: has it ever been used to manufacture, transport, or even use dangerous chemically based drugs. Any stories or thoughts out there? Bob | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 958 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.94.219  Rating: N/A |
You don't suppose the "meth-lab" debacle being described as "dangerous chemically based drugs" is a bit of an overindulgence of script? Maybe to help justify spending millions for law enforcement? Isn't diesel fuel a "dangerous chemically based drug", since it's a known carcinogenic, and it's fumes can cause severe neurological damage if inhaled for extended periods? I don't know if my former bus was ever used for a "meth-lab", but going by the amount of roaches running around in it, it appeared fairly safe. Of course, roaches can survive a nuclear event, but still..... just sayin'.. It's kinda' like Radon gas.... or maybe an Ozone hole... Or cows giving off methane.. | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 248 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232  Rating: N/A |
...well I am just pleased as peach to have opened a package of Brita water filters moments ago and read the label's boast on that it will not remove fluoride from water , got to have more fluoride in my diet, kind of numbs the imagination down a notch or two, can't get enough of those neuro toxins... Seriously though, trying hard to take your "concerns of bus history" seriously, buy from a large "sue-able" company that has had it in there care & control for at least a few years. That way there will be some blood in there stone to squeaze making it feasible to hold them accountable should you later discover it was contaminated with toxins from uses such as hauling returning soldiers back from one of those depleted uranium shelling missions, or even a team of meths producers like in the header post, or , well let your imagination go wild. . . just make sure they don't sneak the words "caveat emptor" on the bill of sale with some of that delayed appearing fine ink, (such as is used to draft acts of congress) may make your purchase reasonably safe & risk free; providing it is actually mechanicaly safe & road worthy before you dive it home, as this tends to be slightly more common concern with bus purchases... Thanks for the entertainment boys, now my gut aches from laughing... | ||
| Rob A (Otto)
Registered Member Username: Otto Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 70.76.118.48 Rating: N/A |
<<<<Otto is longing for the old days what happened to smoking a little pot then pigging out on some kraft dinner and waking up on the couch with a headache ... Now i have to worry about my kids and the neighbor who might be storing dangerous chemicals ... | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 890 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.195.234.106  Rating: N/A |
"then pigging out on some kraft dinner and waking up on the couch with a headache ..." City folks had life EZ , Pizza or Chinese food delivered to Your door! Only medical problem was burning the top of your mouth from too hot melted cheese. ALL these "drug laws" need to be GONE! Were installing drug lords in many South and Central American countries as the Government! If Heroin or pot , or whatever cost only the 1000% markup Lilly or Merc would charge we could save Billions on "drug enforcement" and have a far more stable planet . The "War on Drugs" has failed since the Harrison act , an assault on Chinese immigrants (the Yellow Peril) almost 100 years ago. FF | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 346 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 173.77.231.123  Rating: N/A |
I am pretty sure the 1" copper line running to the heaters in my 48 GM was wrapped in asbestos and then a linen/cotton protective wrap!If the EPA ever did a sample of the crud in the belly duct of my coach.... Dont want a meth lab,I want a mobile taco/burrito lab.Notheing better than driving down the road and getting fed by Dori. A step up from the PB&J lab it was when i was single. | ||
| Peter E (Sdibaja)
Registered Member Username: Sdibaja Post Number: 307 Registered: 5-2002 Posted From: 201.143.188.217  Rating: N/A |
I have to say I am a bit surprised... this is a pleasing group of responses! The collateral damage of the War on Drugs is astounding, but sanity is beginning to return. | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 249 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
dearest toowheelingboob: 1. a late warm welcome on board the bus nut board 2. by chance, yesterday while at the local library I had borrowed a dvd copy of national geographic's production of "World's Most Dangerous Drug" a documentary on METH . It was a worthwhile brief in layman's terms on the history of methamphetamine. It does not touch on your concerns of the toxic hazards incurred in the production or mitigation of such , should you happen to purchase that bus/mobile meth lab you inquired about, but it may help you with some of your implied concerns if you view it (search google video or similar to view a free copy. May this assist you by freeing up your indicated denial of your blossoming " bus nut condition" . Happy bus hunting and good luck with embracing any level of denial. Keep on merily busin... | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 895 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.195.234.106 Rating: N/A |
"The collateral damage of the War on Drugs is astounding, but sanity is beginning to return." These are Politicians , there is no chance of "sanity" only the GREED from possible tax revenue that caused the change of outlook. AS almost 1/2 the folks in jail are minor "drug offenders" , who made lots of money supplying desires , that CASH , and emptying expensive prisons is the only "sanity" the politicos see. More money for "Victim" groups, to aid re election. FF | ||
| James Robinson (Jjrbus)
Registered Member Username: Jjrbus Post Number: 190 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 70.10.218.114 Rating: N/A |
This is a free country!! If someone wants to sit under a bridge and stick needles in thier arms who are we to stop them!!! | ||
| John and Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 221 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.7.186  Rating: |
James, The problem I have with people sticking needles in their arms is that when they run out of money for dope, they come and steal from the people who earn an honest living and when they overdose, they require costly medical care which is again put on the backs of the working man. I don't mind people doing what they want as long as they don't expect me to pick up the pieces. | ||
| Bill 340 (Bill_340)
Registered Member Username: Bill_340 Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.198.12.242  Rating: |
Run out of money...steal from the people.....require costly medical...expect me to pick up the pieces.............. All in all that sounded political.. | ||
| John and Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 222 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.7.186 Rating: |
Bill, I prefer to view it as factual, not political. I think that statistics will bear me out. | ||
| John Lacey (Junkman42)
Registered Member Username: Junkman42 Post Number: 92 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 69.19.14.19  Rating: |
Bigrigger, just sort of curious if You use alcohol! The druggies are a minor problem that cost us nothing compared to other bad habits such as alcohol and eating. And no I am not anti anything I am just old enough to realize that no matter what the law or punishment You can not stop people from doing what They desire. I also do not think it is any of My business what other's do! Regards, John | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 256 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
Just one more social tragedy in deed & without doubt, but are these attempts to describe the symptoms of people trying to self medicate or get high to feel better. Perhaps the solution lies within treating the reality they seek to escape , starting with describing the real problem ? At this point my confusion is more than usual, I have lost focus on the thread; with all these "key" words being repeated, I am not sure what it is we are addressing in society; the sick crack head that smashed my bus window out, hoping to steal for his next fix or the BC politicians that put a carbon tax on fuel last year , and spent it all on there buddies in advertising to tell us how they plan to green up the world with this new source of revenue,IF ONLY they were re-elected to continue representing there best interest with the authority they were duly handed by voters. hum...IF ONLY happy smoke still worked for me, I could just spark up & forget the real big picture, then happily get back to working on my bus therapy, if only. ...simple busin friends... | ||
| John and Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 223 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.7.186 Rating: N/A |
Not that I think it really is any of your or anyones business John, no I do not use alcohol or tobacco in any form. The point I was trying to make was in direct reply to the post that said "This is a free country!! If someone wants to sit under a bridge and stick needles in thier arms who are we to stop them!!!" It is indeed a free country until what I want to do impinges on someone elses freedom. The reason its against the law to take illicit drugs is because the effects are devestatingly negative to the user and to everyone else. Medical facilities, emergency personel, the justice system are all overwhelmed with dealing with the ruined lives that are created because a few people think it's their "right" to do anything that they please regardless of the consequences. I did not plan make this a political rant, just answering someone elses post. I'm done now, you may have the soap box back. | ||
| James Robinson (Jjrbus)
Registered Member Username: Jjrbus Post Number: 191 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 173.133.106.248 Rating: N/A |
Reread my post I said nothing about it being OK to steal!! The reason it is against the law to take illicit drugs is some politicians needed to create a problem that they could convince us only they could fix!! There were 101 policemen killed as of June of this year, most probobly due to drug crimes. How many of them would still be alive if drugs were legal?? Do Policeman deserve to die? Do our policeman really need to go up against well funded well armed drug dealers?? Do thier children deserve to be without a parent?? If legalized would the spread of aids, hepititis and god knows what other disease be slowed down?? If drugs were legal this post never would have started, because there would be no concern that a bus may have been used as a meth lab!! | ||
| John and Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 225 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.7.186 Rating: N/A |
So let me get this straight, you think that its "ok" for people to use methamphetamine the most dangereous narcotic known to the history of mankind? And you think by legalizing the use and manufacture of this that people are going to quit commiting crimes to fuel their desire to shoot themselves into oblivion and no longer have any control of what they do when "under the influence " of these mind altering substances? From the Office of National Drug control Policy comes this quote."The evidence indicates that drug users are more likely than nonusers to commit crimes, that arrestees frequently were under the influence of a drug at the time they committed their offense, and that drugs generate violence." Notice that they don't say that making it legal will change any of that!This is about the lack of judgement that people use when impaired by use (legal or illegal) of mind altering substances. | ||
| John and Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 226 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.7.186 Rating: N/A |
Sorry Ian, I don't usually rant "off topic". I apologize. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 960 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.235.211.14 Rating: N/A |
Re: "The reason its against the law to take illicit drugs is because the effects are devestatingly negative to the user and to everyone else. Medical facilities, emergency personel, the justice system are all overwhelmed with dealing with the ruined lives that are created because a few people think it's their "right" to do anything that they please " Of course, if we didn't "require" the gubberment to stick it's nose into the "problem", the "problem" wouldn't belong to you (via taxation), would it? There was a time (still is, in Florida), where you could actually protect yourself and family using whatever force you felt was needed. Shooting an intruder is not a problem, regardless if the intruder was armed or not. It's unfortunate, but regardless of political party, there are too, too many individuals that seem to feel the BIG gubberment should be the only protection allowed. If someone is attempting to assault you, the gubberment says you should do your best to run away; avoid the problem, and never fight back. The problem isn't the homeless, the drunkards, or the druggies; the problem is with our dependency on others to do our battles for us. It's got nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative", and all to do with the weak-kneed whiners of both sides. Phooie on all of it. (this is how I get when I don't do a joint before logging on)  | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 268 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
uhm...often when my data is lacking to make a sound call on ethics, my available "bibles" (law books, statutes, regulation,etc.) falling short and my personal experience still does not provide possible resolve scenarios; I look elsewhere to see what the joneses are doing (other cultures such as the Netherlands , in this regard might be a staring place as I am certain they had to deal with many situation not unlike the mobile crack bus ). While it is true that one can not make a exact & direct comparison of apples to oranges, however one may compare the similarities as they are both plants, trees, fruit bearing reproduction, deciduous leaf ,diecot stem, etc,etc. This will give me some indication what to expect with a change in any of the factors that influence that orange trees life process. Hope this helps U-all get some in-depth prospective to help you get beyond belief on this taxing social problem & what you are told to believe about it. >ON with bus business, sirIan, as a bus operator, did you ever conscript a navigator or team of navigators from amongst those you sought to deliver ? I had , three times 1.hauling a small group of deaf students in manitoba 2. delivering a handful of yogurt marketeers to the vancouver sun run 3. rescuing a H3-41 load of stranded hound passengers (as a contractor)from whistler All three champagnes were traversing unknown territory , at the edge of my duress tolerances expect of a capt. of the vessel. I must admit I was surprisingly & pleasantly refreshed by the power of complemention in all three incidents. Never had any doubt we would complete the journey together in a safe & timely manner either. -we all do it our way, that is the only way to know for sure ! p.s. deer McJaynine, where did you get a prescription for that medicine , it seem to be far more effective than anything the pharmaceutical industry flogs ! <time to go remove that line through my know-smoking sign behind the destination sign on the old MC 8 , maybe even pen the blunt ends of the cig into scrunched up points ! | ||
| Bob Hughes (2wheelbob)
Registered Member Username: 2wheelbob Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2008 Posted From: 207.118.35.29 Rating: N/A |
Some observations: Don't know the last time that I've seen a thread on any board get so far afield of the original question. But it's been interesting to read the responses -- pretty much mirror the spread of opinions that we have in North America on drug-related issues. I suppose that's because of the history and social rifts that any question on drugs brings up. I do appreciate the general tone of the discussion, though. It's nice that folks, here, seem to be able to post disagreements without being disagreeable. Bob | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 269 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
...it's the love of buses & their need to have us share the knowledge that compels us-all to agree to disagree in such a explorative manner, I strongly suspect. -busnuts, the disease that heals ? + the generous efforts of sirIan to facilitate such collective achievements ; as any bus without a competent operator goes no where, real slow. As for this fringe thread, well seems we can blame the freewheelngbob, with his open invataion for "Any stories or thoughts out there?" (blame the new busnut, or thank him, as is your way) | ||
| James Robinson (Jjrbus)
Registered Member Username: Jjrbus Post Number: 192 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 68.242.59.197 Rating: N/A |
Bless you John MC9!! I do not care what other people do, nor do I wish to contrtol them. I live in the wonderful state of Florida, where if thier actions infringe on my property, I have the option of setting things right. People and not we the people need to be held accountable for thier decisions! OK I'll quit, it just irk's me to see billions wasted on the "war" on drugs. If you look at the numbers (and not throught the eyes of CNN) they do not add up! Statisticly most druggies are not commiting crimes or causeing other problems. I do not do drugs, or smoke or drink by the way. Why cant they all just convert bus's like normal people?? | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 271 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
hahahhaha. wow in our universe we are normal; thanks for the realization jR., a little mutual confirmation is almost as medicinal as I remember ganja was, when it still work for me. Never did get much of a useful buzz from alcohol, but eye do find that guenius style irish beer gives me a momentary lightheadedness if you drink it before the aspixatingly heavy carbon dioxide escapes the glass, kind of like hypoxia from being way up in the mountains , up at cloud nine level. Curse of the multiple damaged brain from too many bumps on the nogain , combined with "no no need to get high anymore" as bobmarley sung. ! | ||
| Cullen Newsom (Cullennewsom)
Registered Member Username: Cullennewsom Post Number: 123 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 98.201.161.214  Rating: N/A |
Oh, boy, I love threads like this one.... ahem.... WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!! and... YOU'RE HELPING THE TERRORISTS WIN!! Now that that's over with :D I am especially skeptical of any claims about how good a job anybody claims to be doing when there's free money being given to the faithful. The fact that some test was able to detect 1.5 micrograms per 100 centimeters squared of "Meth" doesn't mean a thing unless they tell you what kind of exposure is harmful. (Hint, the lethal dose of "Meth" is very high) http://en.allexperts.com/q/Pharmacology-3676/2008/3/lethal-overdose-oral-methamphetamine.h tm?rd=1 On the other hand, according to these jokers http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26039953/ There is "between 2.9 and 28.8 micrograms of cocaine" on your average note of US currency. That means that there is a fair chance that most of your folding money is "contaminated". Ever get an ugre to rob a liquor store after counting your money? Sure, Meth and Cocaine aren't the same thing but Cocaine is a dangerous drug in its own right. Just look what the NY Times had to say: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/negro_cocaine_fiends.htm I don't see anything in that article to indicate that it is anything other than a dog and pony show to help draw in more money and support for the local police. | ||
| Cullen Newsom (Cullennewsom)
Registered Member Username: Cullennewsom Post Number: 124 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 98.201.161.214 Rating: N/A |
And also this: http://freakonomicsbook.com/thebook/ch3.html or "Why Do Drug Dealers Still Live with Their Moms? " and www.sociology.columbia.edu/pdf-files/sv0707a.pdf And this. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/health/27coca.html | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 504 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193  Rating: N/A |
Need to work on reducing the demand, simply restricting supply isn't effective. Look at the results of prohibition. . . . . A wise man once said to find the truth, you must follow the money! | ||
| Cullen Newsom (Cullennewsom)
Registered Member Username: Cullennewsom Post Number: 127 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 98.201.161.214 Rating: N/A |
Sorry fellers, I have a strong reaction to gubberment interference where I think it doesn't belong. The article in OP's post is quite reasonable, it's the subject of the article that I find objectionable. What's most objectionable to me is the affront to the man's property rights. Which seems to be a theme of our Drug War. Someone finds a trace amount of stuff. Man's property becomes forfeit, and he has to fight to get it back. He wasn't convicted of anything. And the state hasn't even attempted to show that the contamination was dangerous (they don't have to). Innocent until proven guilty. Unless you're a suspected drug dealer. | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 312 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
-Truth the dog often showed me , in her own dog ways, when you uncover enough facts you will be better enabled to find a real solution. ^In the case of habitual drug use or reality crutches such unhealthy chemicals are used much as an aspirin for a headache, or a reality delusion for what can not be accepted or a way to change it, can not be found. Understand what it is the the mind habitually seeks relief from, resolve that problem and there will be no need to medicate the symptom , as the cause of upset will be repaired. Trying dealing with the cause of "needing to get high at any cost". ^^Most of what has been done is treating the symptom (getting high with bad chemicals such as meth, cocaine , booze, yes even herbs can be unhealthy in big enough doses ( lethal or toxic doses in sociological & physiological & psychological terms) Treating users as criminals is in effect only making the pain or the symptom worse, increase the need to get high to deal with what social & physiologically ails one. ^^^This does not speak of medicinal use directly of ganja for symptoms such as glaucoma, MS kemotherapy & a host of other effective treatments, more of the social miss-use. One can do "drugs" or mind escapes in many forms, some of them do not even involve putting any chemical substance in your body, this can be simply thought , notions or beliefs , to obtain relief or sedation or delusions of change from reality and pains of all it forms. ^^^^I do speak of my own first hand experience with ganja dependency in earlier years for social reality releif , as well as the many different individuals I have met along the way that miss-use all the escapes just touched on for the who spectums of symptoms. ^^^^^Drug enforcement dollars are most often waisted on belief based decisions on a problem that is not even being addressed , I can not deny that fact, with negative results for all of society. This is certainly true in USA & still to a lessor degree in Canada. ~ on to bus relevance part, is this a disease or a symptom we are indulging in. Well if I didn't have at least one vice left, I really wouldn't need to keep living on to deal with it ; would I? ...Besides it is a practical vice which has many more good attributes to it than bad. Go ahead , judge me to be in denial , but that is my way . . . | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 881 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.209.81.156 Rating: N/A |
Interesting response Clint...interesting. hmmmm. Provokes thought. Could apply the same logic to Al Queada, I s'pose. Wonder if they have buses?...  RCB | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 963 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.75.224 Rating: N/A |
-"That"-, RC.... Is one helluva' stretch! My brain did a dance, trying to make sense of that equation.. | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 314 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
-Al Queada, hummmmmm isn't that Arabic for "the stand up toilet" or something like that, + or are you referring to the "Al queada" your that was fabricated as a some sort of scape goat to divert US & British tax dollars into "someone's toilet". ~ "That" is a belief stretch, hope my imagination doesn't get strained to the point of hurting while trying to applying that one too, but I will try , just for you deer old chucky, just for you, & for reciprocity's sake | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 884 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.211.117.232 Rating: N/A |
 ...huh...whatever... RCB |
