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| Ednj (Ednj)
Registered Member Username: Ednj Post Number: 258 Registered: 3-2003 Posted From: 173.3.44.88  Rating: N/A |
http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 569 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.53.155.14  Rating: N/A |
EDNJ; Thanks for sharing that info. My goodness,what a terrible thing to happen to anyone. I do hope he gets better. Again thanks for the GREAT INFO!! gomer | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 265 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232  Rating: N/A |
can't quit recall my early mil. specs. but I think the designation for phosgene was as a CX agent , stockpiled as a lethal nerve gas back in the post Nam revival of the military industrial complex scams. You get the same agent when you burn R-12 in a propane flame, which was the major force behind removing it from the civilian market (still waiting for someone to explain how a heavier than air gas makes it to the ionosphere ?) A perfect example of the every day hazard to the ill-informed end user of common products (denial/culpability strategy for industrial un-accountability). If I sound a little traumatize here,it is my lack of good health speaking from my own personal mistakes. ..Good safety bulletin eNDJ. ...safe bus repairing buddies ! | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 903 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.195.234.106  Rating: N/A |
You get the same agent when you burn R-12 in a propane flame, That's interesting since early low buck leak detectors used a propane torch and hose to feed any stray freon molecules into the flame for a color change. FF | ||
| John Lacey (Junkman42)
Registered Member Username: Junkman42 Post Number: 93 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 66.82.9.53  Rating: N/A |
I was led to beleive that Uv from tig torch was what did the conversion. Working in the turbine overhaul industry We used vapor degreasers that used trichlorethelene and later trichlorethane which was supposed to make phosgene when exposed to Uv. By the way the germans used it quite a bit in the trenches in WW1. It destroyed lung tissue quite well. I beleive the same thing hapens when some home cleaning agents are mixed with chlorox. May be wrong so take with a grain of salt. John | ||
| John and Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 227 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.7.186  Rating: N/A |
Your right on the money with the cleaning agents. I was cleaning the toilet with "scrubbing bubbles" and didn't like the results so I poured in Clorox with it and the resulting fumes (clorine gas)put me in the emergency room and several breathing treatments to straighten out. Luckily no permanent damage. | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 270 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
....close, but not quit junkman, while the Mil.Ind.Complex had synthesized phosgene by WWone, but did not field it, unlike the very corrosive "mustard gas" which is chlorine, just like what is bubbled in your water supply, or as a oxide in bleach. Yes chlorine will dissolve nerves, but not until long after it's other toxic effects have cause life termination. ...Phosgene's main effect is a disruption to the peripheral & autonomous nervous system, causing a disruption to the bodies ability to function in a life giving manner. .. yes deer Ff. as usual you are correct, those early freon leak detectors gave off phosgene, which was my first introduction , as a warning from one of my collage instructors as a young mechanic in the late 70's, old grumpy gus was competent to caution us when demonstrating AC repair. Still never saw any warning supplied with the box the tool came in, industrial culpable deniability , the competitive way, works until someone speaks to the corporate bottom line in the only language it can comprehend, profit or loss ! .bus repair on safely friends. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1667 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.69.141.94  Rating: N/A |
Forwarded that link to all my do-it-yourself buddies. Thanks, way to easy to kill yourself with the wonderful chemicals available to the hardcore hobbiest. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 274 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
:it is the slow accumulative death effects of these toxins & combo toxins that had often made me wish I was dead; or better yet , retired from full time mechanics...next best thing to winning that lottory would be making industry informed risk managment, perhaps. That has had to become my way ! | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 869 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.210.222.132 Rating: N/A |
Thanx for the head's up, Ednj, I, like many others, just use what will "get the job done" no matter the mixes...however, I must admit usually there is a latent gnome somewhere inside saying " are you sure you want to do that?"...(more probably the LORD)....!! Think I'll begin to give it more attention... As they say, sometimes you have to knock a jackass upside the head to get his attention...you did it... and much more kindly.  Thanx again! RCB | ||
| John Lacey (Junkman42)
Registered Member Username: Junkman42 Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 69.19.14.44 Rating: N/A |
Truth hunter, in the search for truth You might look online at leavenworth papers number 10. It will point out that phosgene gas was used first by the french at verdun and by the germans and americans also. The phosgene was used with other noxious chemicals to cause great grief to the troops. Try Army general and command staff college. Regards ,John | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 275 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
tanks kindly JL , I must confess my military designation data base is about 25 years out of date; having retired from the study of that field , only looking back at what I expect might be coming directly at me now ; without surprise there has been much declassified since my day now that those accountable are done, gone & dead. Kind of a war crimes waist to court marshall a dead human, seeing how they no longer exist beyond the records kept, nor is their much of a deterrent in it for the living,by my simple way of figuring. | ||
| David Lower (Dave_l)
Registered Member Username: Dave_l Post Number: 181 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.58.201.132  Rating: N/A |
John you are correct about the arc from welding, this reaction can happen with any of the arc welding processes. A real good cleaner called Tyme it cleans carbs and other metal parts that you put in a tank to soak is very dangerous in a garage where weilding is going on for this very reason. It's main chemical Trycloroethlyne, was used where I worked welding heat exchangers together. You could tell rite away if the parts where not rinsed off properly as your nose and throat would burn. they used Trycloroethlyne in 5000 Litre heated tanks to degrease the steel. So be carfull in what you use!! and Read the labels! Dave L | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 281 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
.having time to sleep on the generous heading link info, it would seem likely what he has been handed as a prognosis is mos likely only in part from "that little puff of white smoke" and he has accumulative damage from poor shop practices. I base this premature assumption solely on what he has written , not on actual forensics of his habits or medical records. ..Perhaps my old adversary, the deerest DR.DAVE could chime in here with his best med. guess; as I haven't heard read his type in several years, regrettably. ( [{But read between the lines , as you do so on major systems failure analysis in your own chosen fields (mechanics, engineers, etc.)and you will get a better drift of my methodology, which I am try hard to share & custom tune for BNO, in the name of stonger, more diverse posting content & quality.} Perhaps all others that find discomfort in my contribution, respectfully just "scroll on by" when you see that little dog pucin in front of RCD bill board bus posing in the snow; as my ways may not be your ways.] Thanks for reading & sharing what have you...) ..alternatively , and relevantly, below I offer , within the course of a long free social political video , there are some interesting special order MCI D bus shots (hazmat config.) around the pentigon thingy, near the end. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&hl=en, which should be of great interest to U-all, if you hadn't observed them yet. Next best thing to when we can own them , as surplus junk, up for the preserving. | ||
| Cullen Newsom (Cullennewsom)
Registered Member Username: Cullennewsom Post Number: 121 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 98.201.161.214  Rating: N/A |
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/phosgene/basics/facts.asp | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 309 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
ah cg agent designation thanks CN , now it all comes back, even that part were the fifth element is going through the electronic encyclopedia. ~isn't modern day research amazing & horrific, just like reality always has been , weather it is shout from the roof top or hidden as though one needs to hide from the truth? | ||
| Cullen Newsom (Cullennewsom)
Registered Member Username: Cullennewsom Post Number: 125 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 98.201.161.214 Rating: N/A |
Heck yeah edit: fixed typo (Message edited by cullennewsom on August 05, 2009) |