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| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 338 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.219  Rating: N/A |
???has anyone first hand experience or any other story hearsay on deep cycle batteries manufactured by Axion Power Battery Inc. out of Pennsylvania. ~I was considering a purchase of the 6 volt deep cycle. G-105 model that is 85 lbs. ( slightly heavier than a Trojan T-105, with similar performance claims at half the cost on this first batch, which is reportedly fresh from the factory floor) ~~the warranty is 1 year full/ 3 year pro-rate , just like the premium trojan RE series. Having on hell of a time getting real information + they are about to be a new product stocked with on of the local battery service outfits, and he is also being keep in the dark by his distributor ++ I intend to use them for a UPS , going into my coach much later , when it is ready & deserving of such. Thanks for a heads up or thumbs down, fellow bus nuts... | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 340 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
but not these mystery technology batteries from Axion http://seekingalpha.com/article/92463-axion-power-common-sense-solution-for-alt-energy-sto rage that are constructed in part "of pure stock market hype" >> with investment bubbles or something similar for electrolyte >>>or something that many a investment broker is ranting on about >>>> but not one actual has test data on, as best as I can seeeeeeeee. -nor the lead tin based aixons, they seem a little to fragile , charge tolerance wise , for my intended main usage environment & charge regeneration technology that will be employed most often. --but any comments on these models are welcome to join the thread, as it is about forum-ing for the future too. =I was after the older tech lead combinations from axion, which I suspect are made in there Turbo Start plant in Pennsylvania , as I need batteries that are prone to sulfate problems,for my desulphator experiments, amongst other reasoning... = = so to refocus my ORIGINAL INQUIREY again is any know of about " Axion Power Battery deep cycle 6 volt G-105, weighting in at 85 lbs with performance spec. claims similar to Trojan T-105 GC-2 model ??? | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 343 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
here is the patent study for the simply unbelievable PBC (lead carbon) battery http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090103242 if any wish to look into the reality of the stock hype and report back to those wanting house battery banks of to stick in there pipe dreams | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 351 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
how about turbo start brand of deep cycle, which is now axion , which is now exide: has anyone any comment on the quality or "lack off" that they experienced from the turbo start brand , pre 03/09 vin ? Turbo start also produce 16 volt racing, antique OEM replicas for vintage autos, a few special applications for the Yank military. Any experience or hersay would be welcome in this reasearch on deep cycle. +the small turbostart manufacturing facility was out of Castel Pennsylvania, they Axion was based near Toronto, prior to this year ! ...Thanks kindly fellow bus nuts, my reasearch is yours too... | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 921 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.0.94  Rating: N/A |
The old style wet batts seem best on a life vs cost basis for most folks. The very few that boondock enough to actually be able to hold 200+A while the house is being recharged , AND are willing to pay for lower noisemaker time are best served with the thin plate (Oddisy? ) style deep cycle batts. The very high cost may be made up with deeper cycles , more amp houres useable per discharge cycle , with a more rapid recharge possible. But usually a recycled bus alt will need its own engine to crank 200A+ , far too much HP for the front pulley of a noisemaker. FF | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 363 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
Thank you kindly F.f., my main APU.s are all those 4.2 kw 24 vdc-military units (32 cid 4 cyl opposed)They have a unused front pulley that should handle a good size automotive (van sized)Air Conditioning pump with no problems if I go with chain drive will less side thrust on the smaller front crank bearings or direct drive -On those flimsy little diesels generators, you should have no problem running of a pto for a battery charger or HVAC pump if you run a love-joy coupler direct; or use either or to a pulley block if you need a different speed or chain drive. That way there is minimal strain place on those front crank bearings and less frictional loss if direct drive (not applicable if you direct drive to pulleys or something for speed change) ~ did go with some regular old fashion lead deep cycles that were the final production run from Turbostart brand, made just before Axiom (now a.k.a. exide) bought the plant up. They are a little crusty, but at least there was some familiarity in reputation I was able to find. -They had been on the dealers shelf for 5 months, (in cold storage but only maintain twice) The price was right for old stock and they will make a good desulphating experiment. I will definitely be getting to the bottom of these new axion (now exide) PbC acid batteries to see if the claim is more than a stock show with a opening act of corporate welfare with EV hype guest staring. The claim is remarkable , 10 times the cycle life , no sulfation , not detrimental to discharge 90%, will recharge at 5 time the rate of AGMS. ... to go to be true, time & research will tell if there is more to this shell game than cheat & gain of anexation, carteling or monopolizing the potentialy bloosuming battery indusrt (think ongoing Electric Vehicle games)... | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 923 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.0.94 Rating: N/A |
(think ongoing Electric Vehicle games).. Well at least were not treated to the Hydrogen as fuel hype that was so boring for 30 years. Or the "Browns Gas" story for over 50! While a great rapid charge and discharge rate will sure help boondockers and boaters, the REAL challenge is to have far more energy density per pound, or cubic foot of battery . Without raising the cost to Shuttle Missions only pricing! FF | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 367 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
eye hears ya on that sensible price thingy f.F.,as fictitious as paper bucks are, left untempered, they can represent something other than there intrinsic value as reusable bum wipe (was before each re-use and machine dry for softness). Not unlike that great AaaaEyeee we-all have been programing over through the web , over the years, { best to get behind and push in the direction you feel best about, as it is too big to stop , I always use to sazzzs to every beings "dog" & "lived" [dang , did it that come out bass ackwards again, as usual] -personally I prefer bus tokens for currency, unlike a bus or data, they may be easily transported in thy pocket, (free of RDF scrutikness) ~"UN"funny how the "adjusted for inflation" price of a commodity remains rather constant to the price of say "gold" (less the rules of supply & demand and the infamous of stock-a-teers exemptions & their influences on said law) remains constant i.e. X grams of gold = 1 barrel of diesel or X pound of gold = one new intercity coach with X being "relatively" constant throughout the years. IT'S AS IF the corporations that command/dictate the asking price were exempt from the 1934ish & 1972ish undoing of the gold standard, unlike the human slaves that live to work for them inanimate statue's of privilege rights (the corporation) & far less of the accountability (the humanoids) imposed upon the slaves. The industrial evolution or was that revolution.... go figure, and get back to me with the math , please good buddy, for bus sake ! ...Only with equal rites (to their corporate creators; shall we be better able to serve the buses... p.s. my apology for the previous posts spelling errors for those bus nuts that strained their noodles in the interpretation process; I did spell check , as usual, my guess is the central scrutinizer has been re-editing my transmission or something for some reason. Or'well, what ever it takes to get through to it's sub routines;as even a A.I. can't edit what it can not comprehend, my kind of logic bomb...or ah I means influence, gagcicga (ligual), as we use to say in "pop-eyes" as thems can of cold green spin-age sent "shivers down me-timbers" and put donuts on me arms... hahahah pluto is getting confused/frustrated now, better give it a break before it trys to thrash this communication.....hheeehhe | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 925 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.0.94 Rating: N/A |
Folks that worry that this administrations spending insanities will collapse the currency frequently get a bit of "insurance" . Big bucks like gold coins or bullion is fine for protecting wealth , but hard to get change if a $20,00 US gold coin is worth $5,000. The answer is "junk silver" , as anyone knows a real dime , which under Jimmy Peanut got to be worth $5,00 each. A $1000 face value bag of coins has 720 oz of silver, and is sold by many dealers. Their usual markup is over 20% . https://www.apmex.com/ These folks get 6%. Might be good insurance , you decide, FF | ||
| clint hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 372 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.232.232 Rating: N/A |
at the least my few bits of silver bullion will make need cachink when I throw it out into the street, and my well worn "paper" currency does make for good green toilet paper , gets softer with each wash and reuse... never tried them ameri reserve bucks though or the old greenbacks... hum maybe can food will be a good portable currency, like them little cans of tuna, prawns, shrimp, chicken or catfood...they put so many consumables in those little cans these days , even turkey !!! When the can gets dented or old, you just eat it before it devalues ??? |