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| Buddy Tennison (Buddyten)
Registered Member Username: Buddyten Post Number: 81 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.68.234.50 Rating: N/A |
Hey Guys: (SEE PREVIOUS THREAD "AIR LEAK/BRAKES)Thanks for all the good info on my last thread. The thread got so long, I thought my info would get lost in the shuffle, so I am starting a new one. I took the bus to the shop. They found that the passenger side can on the rear (drive) axle (not the bogey) is bad. This can has 3 air lines connected according to the mechanic. Called Norris again, and he said it is a 36/30 Can. He wanted $500+ for the thing. Called Greg Goodson @ Goodson Bus Sales. He wanted $213. Called TruckPro back. They have one in Memphis for $125. Can any of you tell me why I am getting such disparity in these pricings? I asked the guy at TruckPro twice to make sure this was a 36/30 and he verified it was. So you can obviously guess where I am going to buy. Should I replace both of the rear ones while I am at it, and since it is already in the shop?? I obviously don't want to spend the money unless necessary, but I don't want to go through all this again in a short time. Is there anything else I need to have them look at that goes along with this. I have already told them to adjust all the brakes, etc. Looking for the good advise as usual. By the way, it an '80 Eagle) | ||
| Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
Registered Member Username: Chuck_newman Post Number: 395 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.110.65.137  Rating: N/A |
Buddy, there are others on the board that have far greater experience than I in these issues, but I have recently put in many hours on my back assisting and learning from a local college mechanic that does nothing but buses all day, every day. Since I've had a 30/30 spring brake chamber and a DD3 in my hands recently, you don't have both on your bus. You have a pair of one type or the other. And as Jack Conrad and others have said, a spring brake chamber has 2 hoses attached. A DD3 has 3 hoses. They both are brake chambers for the drive wheels. And they both look basically the same. But they are totally different in how they accomplish the braking function . Quite simply, someone is giving you bogus information. YOU need to go look at the brake chambers and count the number of air lines on them. It will be 2 lines or 3 lines. Don't let them confuse you with any other jaber whacky. When you know for sure, let the experts here know. They will give you the best course of action, because in simple terms, the 3 hose brake chamber is more expensive to deal with than the 2 hose brake chamber. Check it out yourself now while the wheels are off and let us know what you have under there. Take a flash light with you. Tell them you will get back to them. | ||
| Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
Registered Member Username: Chuck_newman Post Number: 396 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.110.65.137 Rating: N/A |
Buddy, I'm currently in need of two reman DD3 brake chambers. When you get time, could you post the contact names and phone numbers for Goodson and Truck Pro. Thanks. | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 556 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 64.40.216.53  Rating: N/A |
You better find all the Bendix DD-3 stuff you can, I have heard Bendix is no longing making the chambers or the parts as of this last December. Which means the price will go up. | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 412 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221  Rating: N/A |
It sounds like some places are quoting you standard spring brake cans and the more expensive ones understand you have DD3's. DD3 are much more expensive than spring brakes | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 751 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.54.207 Rating: N/A |
Buddy if your model 10 has the air cans mounted on the front side of the axle they will be spring brakes if on the back it will DD3 they had both just like a 05.You can change the Eagle DD-3 over to spring for less than a price of one DD-3 from Goodson then you can buy a pod at any truck stop for less than 40 bucks. I conviced Paul to convert his 01 to springs and I am sure he would walk you through the proscess it is not that hard or costly to do good luck (Message edited by luvrbus on August 21, 2009) | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 557 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 64.40.216.53 Rating: N/A |
I talked with Buddy this afternoon, he is going to send me some pictures to make sure of what he has. Then we can determine which route to suggest to him. I am grateful you talked me into it Clifford, best way to go in my opinion. I wish he lived closer so I could really help him out porperly. Not only is the complete changeover cheaper than even a rebuild kit for the DD-3, but the cans are available anywhere they sell truck parts. It also updates the brake system to a modern style. | ||
| Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
Registered Member Username: Chuck_newman Post Number: 397 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.110.65.137 Rating: N/A |
You Eagle folks are fortunate. I looked at converting to 30/30s and they are same size except length -- 2" longer than a DD3. Doesn't sound like much but that 2" puts it right on the front bag walls. | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 558 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 64.40.216.53 Rating: N/A |
By the sounds of it you must have an MCI? I have heard the same from a couple of friends of mine who own them. Is there not a way to change them over? Someone will have to come up with a design in order to do that, otherwise there will be a lot of MCI's just sitting when the supply runs out. | ||
| larry currier (Larryc)
Registered Member Username: Larryc Post Number: 264 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 64.12.116.203 Rating: N/A |
Spiders bolt to housings. You can reclock most spiders by unbolting them and turning them to the position you prefer, putting the larger spring brake can in a more favorable position. | ||
| David Lower (Dave_l)
Registered Member Username: Dave_l Post Number: 185 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.58.201.132  Rating: N/A |
Yes Paul read the post a few back "Out of the box brake question". | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 179 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 98.212.104.155 Rating: N/A |
Could I please have the contact info for truck pro and that 125 dollar 30/36. The best I have ever been able to get one for is like 179 or 189. Even if the one from truck pro is a "piggyback" that would still be a good deal. I wonder about shipping? How about a phone # Thanks | ||
| larry currier (Larryc)
Registered Member Username: Larryc Post Number: 265 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 205.188.116.203 Rating: N/A |
Truckpro, Cordoba Tn 800.999.7443 | ||
| David Dulmage (Daved)
Registered Member Username: Daved Post Number: 258 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 66.78.119.126  Rating: N/A |
If you decide to retain the DD-3s, rebuilt units are avaliable from MCI Parts. | ||
| Bob Baldwin (Bob4106)
Registered Member Username: Bob4106 Post Number: 174 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.74.180.20  Rating: N/A |
There is a place in Bridgeview IL called REI that sells rebuilt ones for $290.00, I got a pair back in May and very happy http://www.rebuildersenterprises.com/contact_us/contact_us.asp | ||
| Rob Norgren (Robsedona)
Registered Member Username: Robsedona Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 70.212.150.35  Rating: N/A |
Just talked to MCI DD3 rebuilt cost $956.08 and if you have a good passable core you get $375.00 back so the rebuild cost is $581.08 they have New for $1500.00 Their supply is not from Bendix Its from Coach Guard! They will have then for a long time. US MCI guys I think would have a hard time to switch to spring breaks at least on the 5ers I see no other place to but a spring break and no room where the DD3 is at. Bob I Went to http://www.rebuildersenterprises.com/contact_us/contact_us.asp not much info Was the $290. for Rebuilt DD3s of spring Breaks 30/30 or 30/36 ? | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 756 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.54.207 Rating: N/A |
Rob, spring 30/30 or 30/36 cost around 50 bucks ea new you can pay more or less depending on the supplier.They come in 2 different strokes 2.5 and 3 inch and you will find different lengths in the cans I think it is M&M that makes the short one good luck (Message edited by luvrbus on August 25, 2009) | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1605 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.110.9  Rating: N/A |
You can buy the parts to rebuild yours from Mohawk bus parts. Unless your cans are not reusable,9 you'll need to dissemble to check) the total for mine was a little over two hundred for all the parts. They aren't that difficult to rebuild. I replaced everything except housings, shaft/piston, springs, and a couple of other smaller parts. Once done, you can move on to other issues, as they shouldn't need service again for a long time. Even longer if you have an air drier. |