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| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 69.205.11.117 Rating: N/A |
i bought rear seats from a pontiac montana but need a way to hook a shoulder belt up to them. the wife refuses to get in the bus with only a lap belt. | ||
| Ralph Peters (Ralph7)
Registered Member Username: Ralph7 Post Number: 69 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 206.251.5.175 Rating: N/A |
Go to a big truck place and look at buddy(passanger) seats and air ride seats, then get a look in a cab, to see how they do it. If you have a big truck junk yard handy ask them to show you some cabs with seats. You will get an idea of how they attach the sholder strap. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 999 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.94.11  Rating: N/A |
You do realize, that if the belt isn't mounted in the proper manner, that more injury could result, than if no seatbelt was worn? | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 408 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.144.102 Rating: |
Ask your wife why she needs a shoulder belt when school buses don't have them? Explain to her that given the weight of a bus, if the bus hits a car, the bus "is the Louisville Slugger" & the car is the ball. Point out that if the bus hits a mountain, the driver & front passenger won't be getting out 'cause they arrive at the accident at the same time as the front bumper! Ask if she'll be also be wanting air bags, traction control & the automatic braking that Volvos have. Consider buying that Volvo for a "toad" and letting her ride there where it's safe. (You'll get way less verbal assistance with your driving this way as well.) | ||
| Josh McElhiney (Zcommanager)
Registered Member Username: Zcommanager Post Number: 64 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 75.187.41.177  Rating: N/A |
Tom - Pick your battles wisely!! LOL This sounds like a case of "Yes, Dear" working much better in response to her seatbelt wishes!!! Although, I think we could all live vicariously through you if you are able to use Jim's response and survive to tell about it!!! Haha Josh | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 409 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.144.102 Rating: N/A |
Yes, Thomas, Josh has it right. I'm just trying to "stir the pot". | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1698 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
Is Jim single or did he have his wife's permission to post this? Ralph has a good suggestion, and don't forget car junk...err reclamation yards. Make sure you reinforce that attachment point. | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 411 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.144.102 Rating: N/A |
Jim's wife is a bigger pot stirrer than he is. BIIIGGG SPOOON! | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1011 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 209.142.172.198  Rating: N/A |
I agree with her, not much point in having belts without shoulder straps. Buses are tough because there was no original thought given to belts. You can mount the shoulder belts into the cabinet bottoms or on the bus side, any place that allows reasonable shoulder strap comfort to the boss. One of mine is mounted into a 3/4" plywood wall using huge washers and others are mounted into the original Al overhead luggage rack bottom, again using huge washers. I think that any shoulder strap is better than none, at least if the mounting structure gives way it will slow down the movement of the body. | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 434 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221  Rating: N/A |
Am I mistaken or has anyone else seen a car that has the shoulder strap and reel integrated into the seat itself??? Maybe a pontiac covertible of some sort???? | ||
| Peter E (Sdibaja)
Registered Member Username: Sdibaja Post Number: 318 Registered: 5-2002 Posted From: 71.223.45.135  Rating: N/A |
I drive a Chrysler Sebring rag top, shoulder belts are built into the seat back, they are comfortable. | ||
| Rob King (Skykingrob)
Registered Member Username: Skykingrob Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 72.161.21.232 Rating: N/A |
Thomas I was at Colaw RV Salvage on Saturday, they have a huge bin of seat belts with retractors and shoulder harness's that have been removed from RV's. I even looked at them myself, pick up some to consider putting in my coach. Their number is 417-548-2125 in Carthage Missouri. Talk to Mike or Dewayne The key here is the mounting of the belts not necessarily the belt itself although the right material is certainly important. Rob 91 LeMirage XL Missouri | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 69.205.11.117 Rating: N/A |
i think this may work? "Y" Harness Lap section extends to 74" and is fully adjustable with bolt in 9/16" end fittings. Each shoulder harness is easily adjustable as well and also include a fully adjustable end fitting. Stocked in Black only. (Message edited by taflocks on October 14, 2009) | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 69.205.11.117 Rating: N/A |
lets try this again  | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1725 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.68.121.122  Rating: N/A |
GM full size SUV seats of some kind have shoulder belts built into the chair? If you need the shoulder belt in a bus conversion crash.... what's holding the seat to the floor, what is your refrigerator and couch fastened to, and what have you hit? A whole can of worms, the shoulder belt alone won't solve... FWIW, in a motorcoach versus automobile crash, if the crash puts 20G's to the car occupants, the design point for the seatbelt assemblies, there's somewhere around 7 G's to the motorcoach occupants. The mass of the motorcoach takes care of the extra energy. Quite the debate about seatbelts in motorcoaches and school buses going on currently, little science, lots of hysteria...politicians don't choose well under these conditions... If mother isn't happy....ain't nobody happy. Your destiny is in your hands. Choose wisely... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1000 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.82.221 Rating: N/A |
Egads: "You can mount the shoulder belts into the cabinet bottoms " Hitting something at 65mph will toss the occupant (going 65mph), with their full weight (200lbs?), against the belt, that in turn is attached to the cabinets? Yup. She should be pickin' toothpicks of cabinet parts out of her hair awhile, ehh, what? My 200+lb brother-in-law had his seatbelts on when he had that head-on collision on RT95 down here, and he got thrown out on impact anyway. The seatbelt didn't hold for whatever reason, and he lost a leg on the way out. My wife's pelvis, left hip and right shoulder got broken, a common seatbelt injury, in that same accident. If it weren't for the belt, she may or may not have made it at all...... That's what a high speed accident is all about. It's a magnificent display of sheer force, ripping things made of metal or flesh. If you're going to mount seatbelts, for crissakes, mount the stupid things to something absolutely secure... And keep in mind, that if the seat breaks free, or what it's attached to decides to go wild, a human body will be tied to it; tied into it, and strangulation by seatbelt isn't very comfy. There's more to safety than "adding a seatbelt", and there's a lot about "adding a seatbelt" that should be known. | ||
| Josh McElhiney (Zcommanager)
Registered Member Username: Zcommanager Post Number: 67 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 75.187.41.177 Rating: N/A |
Jim & Tom - Your wife is a bigger "pot stirer" than you are!?!? Oh my! You must live quite an exciting life!!! Haha Serious note...Tom, check junk yards for Cadillac de Ville seats - 2000+ models, they also have integrated seatbelts into the seat backs, and they have all kinds of fun toys too!!! My '04 Caddy has heat, a/c and message functions! Now that would make the wife happy!!! Good Luck! Josh | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 34 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 207.55.0.5 Rating: N/A |
Bolt her chair in back of the bus. Have her sit back there because if that much force, all would come foward. Refer, stove, walls, what else? They would not be as secure as that seat you want to find the best way to bolt down. | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 465 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 70.60.107.113  Rating: N/A |
John MC9 wrote "There's more to safety than "adding a seatbelt", and there's a lot about "adding a seatbelt" that should be known." Thanks for that John. I worked for a long time in vehicle safety and certification and I've been cringing about this thread all the way through. A poorly installed belt is likely to be more dangerous than none. The general rule is if the standard attachment bolt (I think a high-grade 3/8" bolt) doesn't break before what you've attached it to, you're attaching it to something that's not strong enough. A big part of the safety of a belt (seat or shoulder) is the "give" that's built into the webbing. It not only ameliorates the shock/g-loading but it also provides a "ride-down" as the high energy event is waning. They must be securely installed to allow them to work right. They're also designed to deform to absorb energy but also minimize "snapback"; the anchorage location must do the same. You DON'T want to ride out a collision, only to have your wife tossed into the back of the bus! | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 590 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.196.24.182  Rating: N/A |
Sounds like maybe a seat out of a F-14 might be best, hit the button and zooom, up, up and away! :-D | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 69.205.11.117 Rating: N/A |
i would like to mount the seat on the roof but she might not like that.....the "y" harness looks to be the best way to go. i have looked on line for caddy seats but cant find any. the only seat i found that had a belt was $800 and they didint want to sell it to me. said it was for some pos staples and sticks unit and had to be bolted to a beam. (Message edited by taflocks on October 15, 2009) | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 466 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 70.60.107.113 Rating: N/A |
And seat that includes a belt in the frame DOES have to be bolted to a beam! | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1705 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157 Rating: N/A |
Yeah, I know what you mean...if you install her seat on the roof and drive through a low clearance area, she's going to blame you that you did it on purpose. Hey Woman! you've got that great view...you need to let me know about those low clearances. After all, I don't want to scratch or damage those roof air units. | ||
| john degemis (Degemis)
Registered Member Username: Degemis Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2008 Posted From: 66.189.153.217  Rating: N/A |
I bought front seats from a Monaco that have the shoulder belt that comes out of the top front of the seat and runs inside the seat down to a roller. You said you bought rear seats from a pontiac montana. are they bench or captain chair type? | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 955 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.211.109.184 Rating: N/A |
JTNG...good post...Experience is still the best teacher, or? Sorry for the loss...human and otherwise. Hope it all came to good in your lives. Thanx for sharing. RCB | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 69.205.11.117 Rating: N/A |
2 captains chairs, i paid a lot for them so i want them to work [$25ea] they are rather clean but could use some attention. | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1016 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 209.142.172.138 Rating: N/A |
I've been in and airplane crash (I was driving) with no shoulder strap, I have the scar to prove it! I was in a minivan crash (I wasn't driving) when I was lying down on the rear bed with my belt fastened. No scars from that one! I am convinced that any shoulder strap mounting is better than none. Even a cabinet will slow down the force some. I doubt that the cabinet will come forward before the belt breaks through the cabinet unless the cabinet is not well secured. If you have a head-on at 65mph with that heavy engine behind you, you have a lot more to worry about than loose cabinets! | ||
| john degemis (Degemis)
Registered Member Username: Degemis Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2008 Posted From: 66.189.153.217 Rating: N/A |
2 captains chairs, Try your local junkyard. They should have some from a van that bolt to the wall. | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 69.205.11.117 Rating: N/A |
no wall just a window |
