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| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1726 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.71.101.218  Rating: N/A |
With thanks to Dallas for posting this elsewhere, what do the gurus say about this state of affairs? http://www.api.org/certifications/engineoil/new/upload/CF_2noticelicensees.pdf To this layman, I wonder about it being another backdoor way to bring support for the old 2 strokes to an end... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Ron Walker (Prevost82)
Registered Member Username: Prevost82 Post Number: 403 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.181.210.47  Rating: N/A |
There's a large number of 2 strokes used in forest, mining, oil, construction and the fish industries ... we're talk hundreds of millions in equipment that would have to be replaced ... not going to happen any time soon. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1003 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.76.105  Rating: N/A |
but.... "Oils that include CF-2 as one of a series of engine oil categories claimed (for example, API CF, CF-2/SJ) will remain on the license after February 1, minus the CF-2 claim." So there won't be an oil that only conforms to the CF-2 standard, it will have to include the newer standards as well. And since there apparently already are oils meeting that multi-standard, what's the big deal? Am I missing something here? | ||
| Nellie Wilson (Vivianellie)
Registered Member Username: Vivianellie Post Number: 364 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 75.178.92.43  Rating: N/A |
Does anyone have a clue what these IDIOTS are blathering about? Two rules for committees that make "decisions" and release "notifications": 1) Grow a (collective) brain before 'deciding' ANYTHING and 2) find someone that can convey your "decision" in some known language! This is how they spend their day? Please, oh, please... leave us the f*** alone! (My apologies to Pink Floyd) Nellie Wilson | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 469 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 70.60.107.113  Rating: N/A |
The API system is basically a money-raising "license" system. An oil company puts together its lab tests and sends those -- and a check -- to API who then grants the license for "CF-2" to appear on a bottle. With this in mind, if they're going to rescind the category, they might not allow a company to continue use the designation ("nothing in it for us, why should we keep it up?"). But you can go to GreatWall-Mart of China and buy "SA" oil for $.99 a quart (why you'd want to, I dunno, but you can) so maybe "obsolete" ratings are still out there. But if you're using, say Rotella SAE30 and it's marked "SG/CF/CF-2", it may be that the container will only be allowed to be marked "SG/CF" after Feb 1. But it will almost certainly be the same oil. Maybe a note to Shell technical office every couple of years asking "Rotella 30 still OK for use in a DD 2-stroke?" would be in order. But the oil will still be available (at least until EPA gets a bright idea that banning "old oils" will be of some benefit to somebody's philosophy). And there's nothing to prevent other info being added to a label. I have an oil bottle here (sold for '09 VW's) that reads "API SM/CJ, Ford AP-201, Daimler 229.2, VW-507.00". Nothing in the world to stop Shell from putting "API SG/CF, DD2-SUC* DD-2" on a bottle. *(DD2-SUC could be a "Detroit Diesel 2-Stroke User Committee" who basically asks companies to indicate on their bottles that oil is compatible with a DD 2-stroke. If the market is there -- and it is -- the companies will come up with something to indicate that their oil is suitable for DD's. They're gonna keep selling the same doughnuts from the same old doughnut stand, no matter what API does. There will be oil available in the future.) | ||
| Cullen Newsom (Cullennewsom)
Registered Member Username: Cullennewsom Post Number: 159 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 129.7.52.191  Rating: N/A |
You know, somebody has to put those ideas in there. Ever wonder who that might be? | ||
| Nellie Wilson (Vivianellie)
Registered Member Username: Vivianellie Post Number: 367 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 75.178.92.43 Rating: N/A |
Cullen - Yup. Nellie | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1716 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
Wasn't one of the main benefits of CF-2 ultra low ash? Many of these new oils also have ultra low ash also with other beneficial properties; now to find a single weight | ||
| John Zabrocki (John_z)
Registered Member Username: John_z Post Number: 73 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 70.215.169.83 Rating: N/A |
I had heard that all oils made after a specific date had to be low ash. Is that true? If so, what is the limit of ash allowed? |