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Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.43.7)
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Hi folks,
Maisie 'n' me were chatting last night (on a very rare night off together!) and the conversation, naturally, came around to the topic of mediine and other medical stuff - our real jobs are related somewhat; she being an ER nurse and me a firefighter.
Anyhoo, we agreed that it might be prudent to advise our friends here at BNO about this topic, because, as a recent thread on this bbs determined, the average age group that we fall into is middle-age and older.
Here is the paragraph out of the New England Journal of Medicine, Jul/Aug'99, that we refer you to:
"NSAIDs (Non Steroidal Anti Inflamatories) such as aspirin and ibuprofen kill almost as many people every year as AIDS... US researchers found ulcers and gastrointestinal complications caused by NSAIDs lead to 16,500 deaths each year and declared the problem a silent epidemic".
Hope you can use this information along with your doctor's good advice to assist you in making educated decisions regarding your personal health.
Regards,
Ian Giffin (and Maisie)
www.busnut.com |
Nelson Thomas (152.163.188.227)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 11:15 am: | |
There was a featuer on T.V. the other night that some of these drugs can cause a vicious cycle of rebound headaches. The receptors become hyper-sensitive leaving users with constant pain and dependency on the medication. Sorry I don't remember which network had the report.
Nelson, Knoxville |
greg (65.29.84.63)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 11:37 am: | |
I know this for a fact
Two years ago I took >>>Alieve, the first time I eitched like crazy, second time I turned red all over and eitched and the pharmicist told me to take Benadryl, the third time I had antiplalastic shock. The ambulance driver saved my life. This drug will kill you. The docters said if I take it one more time, it will be my last.
Be careful what you take.
Greg Hammonds |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (65.194.145.49)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 1:03 pm: | |
Yea, it is the little stuff no one ever tells you about over the counter or Rx pain medication interactions that can cause you a world of grief.
The bottom line is that a person must take it upon himself to find out what interactons occur with taking painers. Good luck Henry of CJ; retired FF and RN |
David & Lorna Schinske (Davidschinske) (64.24.236.119)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 2:20 pm: | |
I used to take 2 Extra Strength Excedrine Migraine tablets every hour when I has a migraine (would last anywhere from 4 days to 30 would loose balance & not be able to stand up without hanging onto a wall). Finally got so bad I broke down & went to emergency room. Dr put me painkiller of some sort. after 2 months it quit working. Now I dislike doctors. Hospitals make my skin crawl. And I hate medicine. This is why I took a chance on a chiropractor. He said I could be completely rid of my migraines which I've had for over 28 yrs (previous Drs. said I didn't have migraines or it was all in my head...Duh!..My favourite response was just live with it). I had my last migraine in February 2002. Now about the only time I have a headache is when I've stared at the monitor screen far too long! The girls (16-y.o.) also started having migraines (runs in my family) after getting adjusted (X-rays showed their bodies were so twisted up they looked like they had been in a wreck, it took 6 mo to straighten them back out) they quit having headaches & now only need an occasional adjustment. My chiro also told me to stop using aspartame, that it was affecting me somewhat (ie: making me crazy). Look at what you eat & drink. Some of it could be making you need the painkillers. A trip to a GOOD chiro may help too!
Lorna |
TomNPat (66.82.9.16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 3:28 pm: | |
Sitting here reading the boards instead of getting ready to go to Quartzite because my right achilles tendon popped and got sewn back together. Looking forward to no medecine, no pain that is normal for this 60 year old. Anything in excess is no good, even stepping in holes in the dark!
Thanks for the info |
FAST FRED (209.26.115.228)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 4:43 pm: | |
One of the most interesting things about the chiropractor is their medical mal practice insurance is usually under $10,000 a year .
Compare that to other specialists that need $250,000 every year for the insurance co to fend off the Liars for Hire.
Getting "adjusted" may be strange medicine , but there seems to be little danger in it & it seems to work for lots of things.
Of course in the Navy we used Rum & Coke at happy our for "Attitude Adjustment" ,
but what works when your in your 20's may prove lethal after the 6 th decade.
FAST FRED |
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (65.130.8.236)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 7:41 pm: | |
2 Excedrin every hour is scarey. If the medication you are taking has Acetomenophin, (Tylenol) there is a definite dose limit. In high doses acetomenophin (Tylenol) is hepatotoxic. It kills your liver.
You can push an aspirin dose until your ears ring and still be OK. Same with many NSAIDs like ibuprofen (Motrin) and naproxen (Alleve). But you cannot get away with it with acetomenophin. It is OK in the recommended doses, but a bit of an overdose can kill you.
SF |
JimStacy (32.101.44.57)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 9:04 pm: | |
This Fall I suffered from muscle weakness and loss of breath. Doctors put me through electrocardiogram, Cardiolyte stress test, echocardiogram, and finally a heart catheter!
Final decision: reaction to Lipitor! Had been taking it for two years prior. Dr. said if I'd continued on it, I'd have died. Scary...
Jim Stacy |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (65.194.145.44)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:25 pm: | |
Re...Lipitor and Tylenol;
Nasty stuff. Personally may have a bad reaction to Lipitor. Severe upper body muscle and bone pain. MD says it may take 8 months for it to wash out. Current dx, fibromylalsia. (SP?)
When I floated years ago in the E.R. we had a 16 year old kid who severly overdosed on Tylenol. Too late. We drew straws to tell her and the family. No liver left. Died. Henry of CJ, ex RN. |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 1:05 am: | |
The warnings about aspirin and NSAIDS (Non-steroid anti-inflamitory drugs) are definitely to be heeded. I got stuck for two weeks in Greece about ten years ago with a nasty pulled back, and it hurt so bad that for those two weeks the only way I stayed sane was eating 12 aspirins a day, since that was all I could get there. It's 10 years later now and my stomach is still paying for that.
The reason that NSAIDS kill your stomach is that there are two enzymes in your body of importance, cyclooxygenase-1 and-2, medically shorthanded as COX-1 and COX-2. Supression of Cox-2 is what makes pains go away, because it is the one involved in inflamation. Cox-1 however is the enzyme that keeps your stomach cells from being eaten by it's own acid. The problem is that since these two enzymes are almost chemically identical, NSAIDS supresses both of them equally. So you get relief for your artheritis, and your stomach gets bleeding ulcers as the payment.
Fortunately in the last 2-3 years, some brainy biochemist came up with a drug called Celecoxib, sold as "Celebrex", which specifically inhibits Cox-2 and does not inhibit Cox-1. It was a godsend to me... at last there is a drug which will give you as good a relief as aspirin or ibuprofen, but it won't kill you or ruin your stomach... good stuff to know....
Cheers
Gary |
Lin (65.184.0.189)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 1:29 am: | |
If you do not regularly drink coffee, it cures headaches faster than NSAIDS. Better for morning headaches than night ones for obvious reasons. |
Charlene (208.18.102.138)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 11:31 am: | |
I guess Larry's doctor hates him, they (3 of them) tell him to take 3 times a day 800 mg of Ibuprofen per day.
I don't think they read the "New England Journal of Medicine", they have tried everything from oxycon to you name it and nothing helps except the Ibuprofen. But he is sure paying the price. He fights it and tries not to take as required, but he sure suffers.
He has degenerative spine, plus an unbelievable list of other major problems.
He doesn't complain but you can tell he has about had it.
Works in his shop everyday restoring cars and old buses. He said the cars will all have to go as a package, he does not have time to keep them all going. (20 or so from 1924 - 64). Someone will get a bargain. I wish he would sale them, one bus is plenty. |
Don KS/TX (67.210.125.90)
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Not so fast Gary, after having my stomach ate up from 12 years of NSAIDS, they got my stomach back together and changed me to Celebrex a year ago. Now in the last few weeks, they have found that something is amiss with that theory, Celebrex (and Vioxx) does no better than the other NSAIDS at protecting your stomach! |
Ross Carlisle (Ross) (216.107.195.63)
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I used to live on aspirin for chronic headaches. The problem was that I was not getting any exercise. I sit in front of a computer all day then I would come home and do the same for a few hours then relax in front of the TV for a couple hours. The only exersice I got was working on the bus.
I stopped taking the aspirin about two months ago and started a strict diet and exercise routing consisting of alot of aerobic exercise and some weight training. In two months I've lost 25 lbs, I feel better, have all sorts of energy and no more headaches.
My doctor is the one who told me to take aspirin. I started the exercise routine and diet on my own after doing some reasearch.
I still sit in front of a computer most of the day, but now I walk 2 miles at lunch time and when I sit in front of the TV, I sit on the excersice bike and pedal away.
Ross |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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Hmmm Don, that must be something new. There was a LOT of research into that. I know for myself, I can feel it immediately when I take NSAIDS but celelbrex doesn't cause my tummy any anxiety at all, even over extended periods.
The bottom line here is that this is a bus board though, and I guess none of us should be talking about drugs, at least here....so I hereby bow out of this thread...
gary |
Jayjay (152.163.188.227)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:44 am: | |
If you have ever had kidney or liver ailments or diseases such as hepatitis (A or B) do not take ibuprofen as it inhibites kidney liver function and can lead to failure of either of them. Last year the National Academy of Sciences in a journal review published figures that a minimum of 7000 patients die each year due to medication errors. Even more alarming the NAS found additional medical errors in hospitals cause between 44,000 and 98,000 thousand deaths each year. The wide death spread is due to the disparity of reporting techniques and inter-relatonship of causes of death to disease/injury involved. (source: Time Magazine) Kinda' makes self-medication a more viable option doen't it. Local Doc's gave me a limited time prognosis, and after several trips outside the U.S. and the FDA (the Gestapo Arm of the American Medical Ass'n.) I'm still drivin' the "How Far?!" around. Use the URL line on your computer for specific medical help or get on one of the free self-help websites. Buy your drugs on the street corner form your friendly local dope dealer or go to Mexico/the Caribbean for stuff you can't buy/afford here. I'll get off the soap box now... G'nite...JJ |
Jeff (Jeff) (68.10.101.219)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 6:52 am: | |
February 1st 1988, I fell with the ladder from a height of 6 - 7 feet onto a concrete floor. I was medic / firefighter / diver then (served 20 years). I was checking extension of fire in the a man's attic after a punctured gas tank on an old VW bug lit off the gas water heater in his garage. I had all my bunker gear on & my SCBA. My fellow firefighters stopped laughing when I didn't get up after I bounced over my air tank. (Firefighters laugh at the strangest things) Since then, I LIVE on at least 1600 mg of Advil, that brand name for ibuprofen. Naprosyn works when I take it but it is a stronger NSAID. I've done aspirin till my ears ring. ( common toxic side effect). I try to get off these NSAIDs but I walk like a 90+ year old after three days, dry. As one doctor I work with said, ALL Medications are a poison. If they work well for one area of our bodies, they are damaging another, somewhere. There is much truth to that! I am a Registered Nurse (24 years) All total I've been in this business for 31 years now. We all have to do or take what we have to, to survive. Converting my bus is adding to my dependence on pain killers! I just don't want to get hooked on Narcotics or other scheduled substances. When the bus is done, maybe I can take care of myself...... When do we really finish them? |
Charlene (208.18.102.83)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 10:44 am: | |
Jeff,
I hate to tell you this exp since you plan to complete your unit before you start taking care of yourself.
The answer to "When do we really finish them", we never do as long as we own them. Always find something we want to redo better.
However best of luck to you.
Charlene |
looking newbie (165.247.66.176)
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Add Aspartame to the list of problem causing items. Yes, good old equal... the sweetener was invented as a ulcer medication. The FDA knows of 92 side effects, I had 27 of them. If you have any or several of the side effects/symptoms then stop drinking diet coke, diet pepsi or whatever and see if they go away.... if they do, then you have a choice to make... Just to a web search on aspartame and read what you find. Here's a place to start. http://www.dorway.com/.
looking newbie
-tim |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (66.190.119.82)
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Before you stop using Equal, suggest you review the following page also.
http://www.snopes2.com/index.html
This address will take you directly to Aspartame:
http://www.snopes2.com/toxins/aspartam.htm
This site debunks many of the Urban Legends that travel on the internet.
Richard |
looking newbie (165.247.68.204)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:09 am: | |
Greetings Richard,
I spent 633 days under the care of doctors, six different ones, my insurance company spent over $50,000 dollars in tests, before they dropped me. The doctors documented and found the 27 symptoms I had, but could not find a cause. Headaches are the #1 smptom. Tachycardia, Swallowing Pain, Nausea, Abdominal Pain, can't think straight, chronic cough, Chronic Fatigue, Feeling warm, Sweats, Depression, flushing of face, Insomnia, Memory loss, Numbness or Tingling of Extremities, back pain on either side of the spine. These were the symptoms that were the worst for me. The reason I first added to this post was pain and headaches were mentioned. Headaches are the most common symptom/side effect of aspartame/equal. I personally had the problem and have helped many of my friends get off the stuff. One friend had more symtoms than myself and chose not to quit, he passed away november before last.
Here is my point....
Aspartame/Equal is bad for you in any amount.
If you have any or many of the symptoms/side effects that the FDA knows about. Then stop using the stuff (it is in 9000 items, so you have to be on your toes not to take any by accident).
If you stop using it and the symptoms go away, then you have a choice to make! It's as simple as all that. Please don't be side tracked by well intentioned people like Richard. I've had aspartame disease, I know what happens. You know how you feel, you know if you have lots of headaches or the other symptoms. If that's the way you want to continue your life, that is up to you, but all I'm offering is a simple way to get rid of the side effects/symptoms.
If I'm standing in line in a public place (grocery line or whatever) and someone next to me is sweating and I'm not and they happen to be a large person ( I was large, still not tiny but I lost 40 lbs ) more than half of the large people drink diet soda. I look at them and ask, "what are you doing about all those headaches you have?", 90% of the time, they look back at me and ask "how did you know that". I explain what happend to me and I'm sure some of them quit right on the spot and then some of them think I don't know what I am talking about.... and continue on taking aspartame/equal.. The problem is theirs, because I no longer have the headaches or any of the other symptoms I had, I wake up each day happy to be alive...
Over the years I have learned that common sence is not so common.
sincerely,
looking newbie,
-tim |
johnwood (206.252.250.32)
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One other warning about acetominofen! Don't use it if you use alcohol. The two of them together will kill the liver. Little publicized fact but a fact just the same! |
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