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Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (66.190.119.82)

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Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 9:04 am:   

I have recently discovered a software program that helps solve the virus problems. Called GoBack, it allows you to revert your computer hard drive to a previous time from a few minutes to a few hours to several days. It goes back in time to delete anything that has happened based on the time you select. It is also helpful if you accidentally delete a file that you want to recover.
Disclaimer: I do not have any interest in the company. Just passing this along for anybody’s interest. See the link below:

http://www.roxio.com/en/products/goback/goback_soho.jhtml

Richard
Phil (204.89.170.126)

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Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:25 am:   

Another option is Windows XP. It has the same capability.
Jayjay (152.163.205.73)

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Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:52 pm:   

Comes f-r-e-e with Norton Anti-virus programs. ...JJ
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (66.190.119.82)

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Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 8:21 am:   

I have Norton anti-virus program and have never found anything about this feature. Can you please tell us where it is? Thanks,
Richard
Peter (Sdibaja) (64.165.10.77)

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Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 9:38 am:   

http://www.clickcooldeals.com/promo70.htm
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (65.37.88.89)

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Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 10:20 am:   

On the advice of a local long established computer repair workshop, I removed the whole of my Nortons.

I had been experiencing a major slow down at certain websites such as all the page changing at Ebay, to the point that it was taking 30 seconds or more to "go back" to the previous page. This problem is gone. Apparently Nortons can use a massive amount of Ram watching over everything in your computer.

On his advice, I downloaded a FREE anti-virus program called AVG from a site:

www.grisoft.com/

Anyone have any info on this program? Seems efficient, but one never knows until it lets a virus through.

Peter.
Michael J (Mjryan) (67.41.245.211)

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Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 1:37 pm:   

Thanks Peter for the tip.
I did as you’ve done (uninstalled Norton) and what a different not only did the internet move along much faster but no more red boxes where there is supposed to be pictures (MSN 8, IE worked ok) and MS Word and other program on my computer are much faster. I also installed the FREE anti-virus program called AVG.
Thanks again
Michael J
David & Lorna Schinske (Davidschinske) (64.24.236.69)

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Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 1:43 pm:   

I'm currently using AVG that I got at www.thefreesite.com and so far I like it. I had Mcaffe on my computer and a worm ate it, even though I kept it updated every other week. The third worm was the one that ate it. I was also using Trend Micro's Free Online Scan but it missed two worms. Now I using the free online scan from www.bitdefender.com they also have free detection & removal tools that you can use if they find a worm, trojan or virus. My kids (who have Mcaffee on their computer also)downloaded "BugBear" off the internet along with an amnime' picture. I think some of those sites have a few worms tucked in with the pics. I also downloaded a free pop-up ad blocker called "Pop Up Manager" from the free site. Works great on Yahoo's sites along with a few other sites that I go to (so many pop-ups that you can't see the website). Been using these programs for about a month, so far I like them.
Jayjay (152.163.205.83)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 1:26 am:   

Richard- Go Back is on my Norton System Works 2002 CD. I don't know if it is available on the '03 version. During install process, when NU is done loading the icon for loading GB comes up and offers you the option to install or not. It seems to have a tremendous RAM overhead though, and I'm sure it is part of the slow-down that is so apparent with NAV in the last few iterations. HTH ...JJ
Perry W Munger IV (64.81.112.30)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 1:50 am:   

I use a Macintosh; problem solved. 90% of the problems Windows users have can be traced to Outlook Express, which, unfortunately, is installed by default and is set up to auto-open incoming mail by default. Next in line is the Internet Information Server, installed in every version of Windows 2000. Finally, we have the SMB server being installed with the C drive shared by default.

So, the majority of the holes worms use are actually flaws in the design of Windows. They're hard to stop because they don't have normal virus signatures.

Anyway, if you use webmail (like yahoo) or another email client like Eudora, most of your risk will go away. The place I work at uses AVP for anti-virus. I don't use anti-virus on my PC at work because it slows down the machine too much. I just don't read email on it and watch what I install.

Mac OS X is Unix-based and quite secure. I use a Mac for web browsing and so on and two Linux boxes for servers.
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (66.190.119.82)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 7:28 am:   

Thanks, JJ. I do not have the installation disc, I downloaded it from the web.

Perry, It is easy to change the default to not open mail automatically, and I did this to try and reduce some of the problems inherant in Windows. This is very good information that you provided. Thanks
Richard
Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.43.142)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:40 am:   

Hi folks,

I guess it would be inappropriate for me to not have a comment about this thread.

Please keep in mind that you are on the Internet, where just about anything can happen - if it hasn't already. To say that a free service is comparable to a software license from the leading anti-virus supplier and to say that the free service is less of a resource hog than the pay-for service, should tip you off to which product does exactly what for your computer and related surfing experience.

I would suggest to all viewers that you do what you would normally do when you shop for anything else. Denote the risks, contemplate the outcomes and their impact upon your personal situation and take appropriate measures based on your personal research.

The biases of just a few viewers may convince you to do things to your computer that may be inappropriate for your situation. Please consider all opinions here and speak to your local computer consultants for their expert advice before doing anything to your own computer.

As this bbs is intended to be an open forum which contains myriad personal opinion, I wish to add my two cents worth:

I use Norton AntiVirus including the automatic updates on my company and private computers with a separate license for each machine. I have NEVER lost data because of a malicious download. It does slow my computers down some, yes, but I believe this to be an extremely small sacrifice compared to the protection the software offers.

My opinion? Buy a quality anti-virus software programme and use it faithfully.

Think whether or not that free service may be worth every penny you pay for it.

Regards,

Ian Giffin
www.busnut.com
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (216.67.207.230)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:54 am:   

Ian,

Thank you for your comments, but my question was if anyone had any imput on that free anti-virus software AVP. I for one, did not recommend anyone changing, this advice was from a long established repair shop in my town. As for Nortons slowing down my system, as I stated, it had brought it to its knees, and removing the Nortons made it go like a rocket.

If you have a suggestion of how I could reinstall the Nortons and not have it basically stop my computer, I would be very grateful indeed as I was very satisfied with the level of security the Nortons afforded me.

Maybe it is because my copy of Nortons is a 2000 edition and the upgrades have overloaded it, who knows, but tech assist would be more costly than a new version, so I am stuck with a defunct product.

Funny that others have had the same trouble with overload from Nortons. My system is the old 98 and was down to less than 60% efficiency and I have 256K of SDram.

By the way, there is still a bunch of Nortons stuff in the registry, which I assume is tied to other applications and which is not removable without a great deal of computer know-how. I have another file which trips the startup, which is another leftover from Nortons, so all is not well with some of these "Brand Leader" products.

I installed Nortons because an update from the factory installed McAfee attacked my computer and they would not take resposibility.

HELP!!!!

Peter.
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (66.190.119.82)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   

I am curious, if anybody knows, why Norton anti virus would slow a computer down. When/where is the slowdown? I am running 98 with cable and I never seem to notice any slowdown. In fact everything seems lightning fast. Since I am somewhat computer illiterate, any information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Richard
joelaird (198.81.19.161)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   

I know little about computers and birthing babies.

I too, do not experience this slowdown. I particularly like the go back feature of Norton.

Mine is 2003.

When I don't know what is happening to the computer, I just tell it to go back to an earlier time and it seems to correct everything.

I also have SystemSuite. It seems easy but my sister loaded it for me free and I paid for the Norton. I try to use the Norton for that reason.

Seems to work for me.

Joe
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 12:32 pm:   

...and I just sit here and chuckle because I use a Mac, and in the total history of the internet I've never encountered a virus which affects it in any way. I get 10-15 viruses a day sometimes... We're immune, at least so far....

:)

Gary
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (216.67.207.230)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 1:07 pm:   

Richard,

I was told that everytime you add something to your computer, whether it is hardware or just storing an email, Nortons makes something to protect this item, so it grows bigger and bigger. Why it suddenly starts to slow down a computer and not others, who knows, but it does.

I frequently dump my download and temp files and cookies etc. so it's not that causing the slow down.

So whilst your Nortons is working fine, then all is well. But in my case, I couldn't go from one Ebay page to another without a 30 second wait.

Peter.
Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.43.1)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 3:31 pm:   

Hi Peter and all,

There are two conventions that you can rely upon when it comes to computers:

1) Old computers can't keep up with new software and

2) Old software can't keep up with new computers.

If your computer is over 2 years old and you are running the latest version of MS Internet Explorer (and over half of you are doing just that!) you are already taxing your computer beyond its technological capacity. When you add the latest Norton anything, you are adding software that was invented after your computer was.

This is the primary reason that DieselChat is still an old, clunky web-based chat room and not a new, modern and spiffy Java chat room. Over half of BNO viewers still do not own a computer with the technological capacity to run a Java applet smartly on their computer.

And as long as there are people who believe that they only ever need to buy one computer in their lifetime, there are going to be incompatibility issues between ever larger software versions of everything and diminished performance from those people's computers.

From a retail perspective, this provides a huge aftermarket to exploit. Sight unseen, I'll bet AVP is a lightweight software programme designed to make an already taxed computer work acceptably without killing its performance altogether.

Beware of repair shop advice. Remember, they want you to keep the old computer so they can repair it in their shop.

So, as shocking as this truth may be to digest, the practical solution is to replace your computer every 2 to 3 years and run the latest software on it - - including a robust antivirus programme.

A 30 to 40 year old bus is a good thing to have. Sadly, a 5 year old computer is not.

Regards,

Ian
www.busnut.com
David & Lorna Schinske (Davidschinske) (64.24.236.206)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 5:12 pm:   

As long as there are little, warped, malicious minds out there, No software will be immune from them. One of the worms that ate my Mcaffe was designed to do just that, it was targeted. It's only a matter of time before they shift their focus from Microsoft to another platform. I kept my virus protection software up to date. I got nailed less than 1 week after an upgrade. The software can't keep up and I can understand why. I really believe that the online scans are truly more efficent that software installed on your machine. I also am using a "Lite" version of virus protection (AVG). I know it...says right on the site...DUH! If this works for more than a month or 2 and doesn't do nasty things to my computer, then I will upgrade to the full-fledged version (does other things). If it starts to act up, then I have no $$ lost. I truly do not believe that Mcafee will pay for the times I've had to haul my computer down the mtn to have my hard drive wiped. This is basically a trial software with out a time limit. What you sound like you are saying is that if it's free then it's not worth it. Excuse me but this BBS is free for us to post on with out those irritating pop-up ads like on yahoo (Pop-Up Manager FREE). Does this mean that this BBS isn't any good? Just because it's free it doesn't mean it's the best thing since chocolate...but it may fill someone's need. MOST of the Freebies are tied to someone's website that is trying to sell something. And some are just trying to educate folks about something.

Lorna
Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.55.180)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 8:02 pm:   

Hi Lorna,

So as to hit the nail directly on the head, please allow me to enlighten you...

This forum is, indeed, free for you to use, but BNO is a sponsor financed, privately owned commercial web site. Our crass commercialism just occurs elsewhere on our web site.

Regards,

Ian Giffin
www.busnut.com
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (216.67.207.230)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:10 pm:   

Ian,

My computer is a 400mg Pentium II with 256 mg of Sdram and a 13 gig harddrive. It is about 2 or 3 years old and so is my edition of Nortons. I would have thought that it should cope with IE 6 upgrade, wouldn't you?

I have only a few small added pieces of software and have no huge games on it. My document picture file is rather large as is my Outlook Express file. On removing the Nortons it all works like a rocket, but with the Nortons it is dead in the water.

Nothing I have seen added to this thread has explained why this is so. I do not believe that buying software which requires the specs that fit my computer, should gradually do this to it.

This has happened before and clearing out unused programs and other outdated junk got it going, but this time, the Nortons had got too much of a hold on it.

Peter.
Gary Carter (68.27.244.87)

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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:05 pm:   

Guess it is time to speak. I was involved with computers for 35 year and guess I still am. I just retired my 200 MHz Toshiba laptop after about 6 years of faithfull service. In that time I upgraded hard drives twice and maxed out the memory. It started with Win95 and now has Win98 SE. What is never had loaded was Internet Explorer or outlook express. I have used Netscape and Netscape mail for years.

I also do not run any real time virus detection software. Why is that. I have NEVER had a virus and the reasons are simple. First I never open EXE or most other attachments, even when I know who sent time. Also without IE or OE I have eliminated 99% of the virus problem.

I do have AVG (free version) which I run once a month or so to check for bugs. Nothing ever found.

My new Laptop uses XP with all automatic stuff turned off. I believe I can make my own computer decisions about what I want to load. Once again, even though much to my chagrin, I have to deal with IE and OE. OE has never been activated on my machine and just waiting for a way to remove IE. Once again Netscape is browser of choice along with Netscape mail. Even though it came with Norton I have not activated it in favor of using AVG.

Just my experience and my two bits.
Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.43.132)

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Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 8:55 pm:   

Peter,

My best advise to you is to back up your personal files and start from scratch again with a hard format. Re-install Norton AV and observe your system resources meter. As Gary hints, your OE may be misbehaving.

Gary,

I couldn't agree with you more regarding Netscape and Netscape Mail. These are my business and personal choices as well and the BNO home page recommends Netscape as the preferred browser.

Regards,

Ian
www.busnut.com

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