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Myron (161.184.180.105)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 4:20 pm: | |
Could someone tell me (measurement wise) how much a kitchen counter is scaled down for a bus conversion?
I realise some people put household size counters etc in their conversion, however I believe they would take up to much room and look out of place. |
bob scealf (205.188.209.11)
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mine same as house, house dishwasher. bob eagle 01 |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (65.194.145.42)
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Good question! Normally, house sized counters and base cabinets are around 36 inches high, maybe a little higher with some different tops. Usually, base cabinets in the kitchen are 24 inches deep and narrower in the bath.
Yeah, may be too big for a coach, especially the 96 inch wide ones. I also am going to modify the dimensions somewhat. Difficult for me physically to lean over. Hurts.
Soooo, right now the plan is to have the counter/base cabinets 20 inches deep and actually a little bit higher at around 39 to 40 inches. This will make the asle a little bit wider also.
Will make finding a proper size stove/oven/ range/icebox/freezer a little bit harder. We used to do kitchen remodels sossss still have many contacts in the appliance business. Smaller stuff is available.
Making the counters higher is going to interfere somewhat with the coach windows which I plan on right now leaving stock. Ex-schoolie Crown. Will have to figure out some sort of treatment there. Good luck. Henry of CJ |
Ray Drummond (216.101.182.137)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 6:01 pm: | |
All cabinets I have seen in buses are 24" deep and the top of the cabinets (not counter top) should be 34 1/2" minimum, other wise things like a regular sink, trash compactor and diswasher will not fit. Also if you have ever worked on a 22" cabinet, you will see why. |
DaveD (64.235.202.160)
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Our counter and base cabinets are standard size. We have an 18" wide Sears dishwasher and need the depth. The counter space is nice to have as well. |
FAST FRED (209.26.115.100)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 5:26 am: | |
Depending on your personal size the counter top hight can be customized for you.
It is He** for a tall person to wash dishes if the sink is to low for comfort.Constant back pain!
Although short folks seem able to accomodate outsized furnature , probably from mucho practice.
It is common to create at least one lower counter top if you do much bread making.
I have found that cabinets that have less depth than the box store units can have big advantages, the center isle can be comfortably as wide as needed.
Although undercounter goodies usually need 2 ft of depth.
As most air cond and heating systemd need duct work ,
and the coach HAS factory ductwork,
I just recycled it for the same use with different service suppliers.
So the bottom rear of all the cabinets are all built to accomidate the existing ducts.
There should be room for two folks to work in the galley at one time , as helping out is always great , even if its only chopping veggies , or washing the dishes.
There should be thought ahead of time for rack drying dishes.
A single large sink seems to work better in a small space , than the tiny dual units.
Not being able to find a big enough single , I purchased a doubble & just cut out the half that I needed.
Although there will always be a spot that is only a locker , drawers are far easier to get stuff from , esp when full , as they seem to get.
Unless you build a very very, strong seperate pantry , strong drawers are needed as canned goods get quite heavy, and if the coach will actually be driven , there can be G loads that doubble the weight of the drawer contents.
Most any depth drawer slide is OTS (off the shelf) and inexpensive.
The sink will usually need lots of side holes for a soap dispenser and filtered water faucet, and sprayer head.
The use of a knee switch allows the use if the garbage grinder in the sink and BOTH hands to push stuff to oblivion.
We have a 55g combined black/ grey tank and 5 years of shrimp peelings & other (would be smelly by morning) contributions has never been a problem.
The closer to the sink the HW heater is the less water you waste, the sink gets used many times a day , most folks only shower once.
A lighted switch near the sink (or load shedding relays) will allow the HW heater to be used in the older 15A campsite.
Just some concepts that have worked for me ,
FAST FRED |
David & Lorna Schinske (Davidschinske) (64.24.236.77)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 8:29 am: | |
You might try using a 2 bar sinks (with no faucet deck)instead of standard double bowl kitchen sink if you want to cut your countertop down. You can drill a hole in the bottom of most any bowl (large mixing type) to insert a sink drain in. Make sure your range will fit yout countertop depth. The 36" - 36.5" countertop height is just an average standard height that was come up with. Just like 30" high tables are an abitrary height. In a truly custom kitchen/bath the countertops can be made to fit you. Dishwashers are being raised up 6"-18" higher than what used to be. Wall ovens are being set lower to make access easier. We once built a set of vanities that were 42" high. We need the 24" depth due to the kohler sink I've got plus the fact that I will add a Fisher & Paykel Single DishDrawer (dishwasher)so I need the standard depth. But my little range doesn't require that much countertop depth. Please make sure you use a metal or ceramic backsplash at your cooktop as you don't have the normal clearance and heat buildup may be a problem. You might try making one side normal depth and the other side much shallower. (sink/range side standard 24" depth and opposite side only 12").
Lorna
PS check out this site for Tips on building 32mm frameless cabinetry Baywood Cabinetry http://baywood.hypermart.net |
Scott Whitney (66.82.9.14)
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Since this thread seems to be expanding, I'd like to toss out a couple of ideas I have for the kitchen cabinet area.
I find that a dish drying rack seems to occupy a lot of counter space. I also find that I tend to leave the dishes in the drying rack until the next time they are needed. So the drying rack tends to be the more permanent location for dishes. My thinking is to integrate a drying rack inside the overhead cabinets so that dishes are washed and put away wet directly into the cabinet. (plates, glasses, cups etc.) However, the bottom of the cabinet would be rack-like and open so the water drains right through to the counter below. A dish towel could be placed on the counter-top to absorb the water. Or it could be located, at least partially, over the sink. Thoughts?
Also, I use the 2.5 gallon containers for drinking, cooking and coffee water. So I am thinking of a special cabinet space to put these water containers, where the spigot is easily accessible and the dribble and occasional overspill will be directly over the sink. I find these 2.5 gal. containers reasonably priced and don't want to mess with a dedicated drinking water tank and/or filters etc.
Scott |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (65.194.145.39)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 4:05 pm: | |
Hey Scott;
Great idea with the open bottom dish drain cabinet. We all know how we all hate to do dishes! Takes away time from "other" activities. He he he.
My conversion plans do not include the space for a dishwasher. Would a small forced air fan in the dish drain cabinet be a good idea to help the dishes dry?
Another advantage of a drain cabinet would be that, with a dishwasher type rack to hold the stuff, one could make a "quick getaway" with the coach with wet dishes.
No more spending valuable time cleaning up the galley. Simply secure the wet stuff inside, latch the door and hit the road! Thanks. Henry of CJ. |
Phil Pellowski (Viater) (164.58.86.161)
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Scott, I've seen that dish drying idea incorporated in european kitchen cabinets and I think it's way cool. Unfortunately my cabinets are not centered over the sink or else I would have done it by now. I'm thinking of somehow putting in a false set of cabinet doors to cover the dishes and thus be able to center my drying rack over the sink.
Good luck, Phil
PD 4106-1726 |
Michael J (Mjryan) (67.41.239.48)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 7:01 pm: | |
Hey!!
Are you Guys nuts or just crazy, how long does it take to dry the dishes after you or someone else has washed them? 3-5 minutes at the most, now how long would it take to design/buy the material/build a cabinet? Now for the important question what would the Misses say about you scheme? I would think after a few weeks/months thing would begin to grow up there and ……. Oh I quit go for it, let us know how it goes.
Michael j |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (65.194.145.31)
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I am nuts AND crazy and simply HATE to do dishes, washing or DRYING! He he he. Henry of CJ |
jmaxwell (66.42.92.16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:57 pm: | |
U can buy a double sink, no faucet backplate, that is only 17" deep, abt. 27" wide, various depths. I recently found a double 21" x 33" x 7 deep, no faucet backplate, new in the box, $10 at a yard sale. I use the second bowl as the drainer holder. The magic chef stove (cooktop or oven model) is only 22" deep. Counter Height is often dictated by window heightand unless u want the backsplashes up into the window something less than 36" is necessary. My Grumman was only 34" to the windows, so I have 32" counters (but I am short). My Neoplan has 38", so I can go to normal. |
FAST FRED (209.26.115.227)
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The european trend is to have a small dishwasher that holds all the dishes between meals, is never emptied.
The dishes are removed to the table , then all are rewashed, clean ones too!
Might work OK with unlimited water & electric for campground living.
A drying rack that fits in a doubble sink is nice as you can be underway , with out having to replace washed items into their "places".
But its a huge waste of room , both counter space & under for plumbing , J trap ect.
The backsplash on counters does not have to be "std " hight (usually 4 inches) . We chose a lower hight as to not block the view for the cook & bottle washer.
FAST FRED |
Chris (65.58.166.34)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 7:47 pm: | |
Install a paper plate burning stove |