| Author | Message | ||
| Leonard (Tizer4)
Registered Member Username: Tizer4 Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 12.73.188.24 Rating: N/A |
I'm done with BNO. Enjoy your site. | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 970 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 64.55.111.6 Rating: N/A |
OOOOH, SOUR GRAPES, (Would have been a lot better to apologize.) G | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 1872 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
Leonard, I know how you feel. I've had answers on sites that leave me feel slightly insulted or patronized. I just let it slide, because, most of the time, it is not intentional and just random. We've had flame wars on here and, usually they blow over and everyone is still friendly, maybe after sometimes licking a wound or two. Great bunch of guys here always offering great information. Give it another chance. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159  Rating: N/A |
Ah come on now, say ya don't mean it, No really say it. Some peoples Kids I was reading Sean's response, to my wife, who like Sean is a master of the English language, She was routing for you Sean. LOL Dave | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 69 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25  Rating: N/A |
Wow. No way! This site is the best thing i have ever come across. Any advice of any sort is a godsent. At this point, i am only starting to learn and everything i have learned is due to the current and archived posts. I for one, say thank you ALL!!! | ||
| Patrick levenson (Zubzub)
Registered Member Username: Zubzub Post Number: 203 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 174.91.225.235  Rating: N/A |
You go Girl!!! | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 959 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 173.78.39.41 Rating: N/A |
Don't let the router hit you in the but | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 442 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 173.77.207.138  Rating: N/A |
Lenard, dont give up that easy man. The archives are full of all out wars here and boy were they fun!! Sean as he said and George as he admits and many others in their particular fields of expertice may come off as abrasive know-it-all-ish and maybe elitist but as they say its what they know or have experience with. Please dont give up that easy! enjoy the archives and the best busin brains around. Lurk if you have too but jumping in when you know somthing helping out others is really rewarding and a give back to a really great site. And we all have been on both sides, its part of life.  | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1843 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.66.16.208  Rating: N/A |
Oh dear... I hope he finds his answers "out there". happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1145 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 173.202.45.124  Rating: N/A |
Leonard, This board, like most others, has self-appointed experts. Their long, windy, expert posts usually result in severe boredom before one finishes them. The best way to avoid them is to ignore their posts - works great for me!! On the "other board" the website will even ignore them for you. | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1050 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 72.171.0.142  Rating: N/A |
Well, guys, I have to say I feel really bad about this. I've gone back through all Leonard's postings since he joined, and found no threads in which there was any friction other than the most recent, about 8D batteries. (Well, there was the one where I raised a concern about off-topic posts, but Leonard was with me on that one.) And so it would seem he has left the forum over that thread, and apparently my "lecture" is responsible for driving him out. I've gone back over my posts there several times this evening, and while I concede that the tone is somewhat professorial, which could be taken as condescending, it sure does not seem to be something to quit over. Easy for me to say, of course -- it's always hard for us to see how we come across to others. That having been said, I think what followed his reaction to my post was a bit difficult. Many here came out immediately in support of me, and I am grateful for their loud acclaim and appreciate the outpouring of support. But I think some of the comments were perhaps a bit hard on the guy. I am willing to take my lumps when justified, and he clearly felt bruised by what I wrote, whether intended or not. He chose to express those feelings (perhaps not in the kindest of words), and I think collectively we need to do a better job of acknowledging when folks are feeling bruised, and finding gentler ways to help them through it. I know this all sounds like "Kumbaya," and we've all had the feeling at one time or another that you need to have a thick skin to hang around here, but I hate to see folks leave just as they are becoming contributing members of the community. In any case, I am sorry for my part in this, and I do hope that Leonard comes back. I wish I had not been away from the computer all day, so I could have chimed in a bit sooner as well. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 960 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 173.78.39.41 Rating: N/A |
Sean - What you've said is all well and good - and had the argument stayed in its thread, things would have sorted themselves out, if at all possible - My smart A$$ comment came after he chose to create a whole new thread (Flame Out) about his self assumed issues with you - A childish act for which I responded as I would to any child - FWIW P.S. You can lecture me anytime I'm doing something foolish | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1133 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.16  Rating: N/A |
Some folks want a personal Book written for them , (instead of taking the effort to simply check the archives) and get hissy if a poster figures they really are beginners and does a good informative reply. DUMB as a numb thumb , as posters expect more than one person to be able to use the information , so are inclusive FOR the newbees. Folks your decisions are yours to make , "Do it Your way" only you have the list of Desirements that figure in the choices. FF | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 1353 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 24.239.5.12  Rating: N/A |
Hi folks, Sadly, these kinds of conversations have created excuses for some viewers to avoid bulletin boards. I get the blame, the boards get the blame, when it happens at BCM, they get the blame. People go to BCM and say it's my fault; people come to BNO and say it's BCM's fault. Too many moderators; not enough moderators. Then, that seems to empower some people to come to bulletin boards and say the reason bulletin boards are so unsuccessful is because there's too much of this kind of stuff going on and not enough REAL information out there. But do you really know where the problem lies? It's called THE INTERNET. Here's the solution: Pick up a Diana Gabaldon novel and you will expect an accurate recanting of a time in ancient life that is well documented. But don't forget that you picked the book off the fiction shelf. Sean: Please continue to write your well thought out, accurate answers to problems that exist in both the amateur and professional bus conversion world. Leonard: Please leave if you must, but don't forget to come and look at the bulletin board and seriously seek out the truths you are looking for... because they ARE here. Please keep in mind that we have over two thousand registered users of the bulletin board, countless others who use the ability to read stuff here without having to register and that there are some 100,000 messages to look at. Also keep in mind that www.busconversions.com has just about the same thing over there from which you will glean just about the same information as from here. Additionally, remember that with over 2,000 members, only a few dozen have anything to say. And please, to both of you: The internet is a wonderful thing; informative, bombastic and fickle. Welcome to cyberspace. ... and just like a Gabaldon novel... it's sometimes accurate and sometimes fiction. Please, Sean & Leonard, stay forever. Because if nothing else, it's simply entertainment and you two are very much a part of that. And it's one of very few reasons I come to my own web site. Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 551 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193  Rating: N/A |
The real benefit from sticking around for a long time is that you develop an awareness of the personality & credibility of the posters. If you participate & post, you allow others to understand who you are - this helps with the problems that arise from the flat media we are using here. (Of course, if you are an ass, that will be noticed too. . . .) Some stir the pot Some post outlandish ideas Some cite chapter & verse Some point out alternative methods Some just do it Some plan everything to death Some like old Some like new Some are right Some are wrong Then, there are those with a closed mind & refuse to accept what they don't know. We all have our moments - I just hope my good outweighs my bad . . . Always interesting to watch the results when someone finds the water deeper than they thought. Some appreciate the help offered while others lash out. | ||
| Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
Registered Member Username: Tekebird Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 71.57.224.23 Rating: N/A |
Problem really is the guy wanted a particular brand or brands...and did not want to learn...or read anything for that matter. he wanted to be spoon fed. | ||
| ned sanders (Uncle_ned)
Registered Member Username: Uncle_ned Post Number: 81 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 74.162.19.106 Rating: N/A |
kyle and some of use are just nice guys "AREN'T WE" uncle ned | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 552 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
Ned - Sure we are Doug - I agree with your take on this. Leonard - what no one else would tell you = Duracell. You will need to use 8 cells in series to get a 12 volt 'string' (If you use 'D' cells, you will end up with an 8D). | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 875 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.83.4 Rating: N/A |
You guys won't even let Leonard leave in peace LOL it was between him and Sean | ||
| Donald P H (Eagle19952)
Registered Member Username: Eagle19952 Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.247.202.59 Rating: N/A |
DEKA IS A PRETTY GOOD CHOICE...AND WAS MENTIONED...... http://www.eastpenn-deka.com/assets/base/1081.pdf (Message edited by eagle19952 on April 05, 2010) | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1206 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.242.78.3 Rating: N/A |
Luvr....can't agree with you... on your comment....has to do with all of us. Believe it is called decorum. IMHO RCB | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 65 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 76.109.102.90  Rating: |
Thank you Ian for this board, the numbers you stated clearly tells the story of the success of this idea. I will place my 2 newbie cents in now, the more I read and learn the more I realize what a valuable resource this board is. I have already saved myself from making several costly mistakes. Sean there are those who are easily riled, that happens. your (tone) is factual, professional, cyborg detailed. and that may intimidate emotional humans. this is a by product of your years and no doubt expertise in your field. I do not believe that you are condescending. there are times when I am labeled an elitist snob when the conversations turn to classic autos, I will humbly state that I am a master in all things Rolls~Royce & Bentley, Lamborghini etc, but I prefer driving my 1987 240 Volvo, walking my dogs, a cabin by a lake over a mansion any day. I am happily blue collar and quite proud of what I have been able to accomplish with my hands up to now and God willing for some time to come still. but sometimes others perceptions can be skewed to say the least. I have some neighbors that when they see my old 61 silver cloud believe that I am in some cartel. {how else could that Spanish type afford that} people are odd. thank you by the way your thread in the archives convinced me not to alter the lighting on my bus with non DOT approved units. SO in conclusion one down and many many new appreciative newbies forward. PS Patrick (you go girl) LOL | ||
| Bill 340 (Bill_340)
Registered Member Username: Bill_340 Post Number: 104 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.200.33.221  Rating: |
Well I guess you guys covered most all the types of bus guys out there. Yes we have the seans, the freds the warriors and on and on, and in their own way they too are great folks. WHY because they arer REAL bus folk, anyone can own a bus even convert it somewhat, freestyle, that dosent make them bus folk, that makes them someone that owns a Bus, Bus people are just that most long before they ever thought to buy a bus,They are the kind of free thinker that it takes to take back a piece of america and make it their own, while still being able to take the time to help or even occasionally poke fun at another, so i hope leonard returns and takes the time to learn who we really are, heck he hasnt had a chance to find out how really good or bad we can all be, | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1209 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.211.109.26 Rating: N/A |
...thanx 340....I believe you covered it. God Bless us every one...("Tiny Tim") RCB | ||
| Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
Registered Member Username: Barn_owl Post Number: 655 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 72.66.166.244  Rating: |
The bus bulletin boards are in the top 10% of all boards concerning civility amongst it's members. Leonard, your actions are toxic, and you need to put forth the effort to learn how to politely interact with others. I cannot think of any other board that the members would exert as much effort to retain and help someone like yourself. Nowhere can you find a better group. Pride and stubbornness is the only thing keeping you from enjoying the camaraderie here. The board is not going anywhere so come back when you allow yourself to. We'll be here. (Message edited by barn_owl on April 07, 2010) | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 867 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.53.153.91  Rating: N/A |
I also have found on this board that someone can be wrong and CAN learn the right way to solve the problem if they will LISTEN to the PRO'S here on BNO. Sometimes the answers aren't just what we want to hear or the way we want to hear it, so sometimes we have to swallow our pride and enjoy the ride. Look at the word P R I D E. The middle letter is I. That explains the story!! Gomer PS. I agree with ALL the post above! | ||
| ned sanders (Uncle_ned)
Registered Member Username: Uncle_ned Post Number: 82 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 74.162.19.106 Rating: N/A |
Kyle Your answer took a few minutes to sink in 8 d cells hooked in series equals 8d. but i use super sunbeam from the dollar store 4 for a dollar uncle ned | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 166.128.132.120 Rating: N/A |
The kid said he wanted an ice cream cone....so I bought him one, then he tells me what he REALLY wanted was one with ice cream IN IT!...So I bought him some chocolate ice cream for his cone BUT that wasn't all either....he wanted a napkin as well, so I got him one of those too. Then he says that what he really wanted was a party to go with the ice cream cone, and for that party to be filled with kids he was friends with, so I went looking for his friends to have a party with....guess what? All his FORMER friends didn't want to come to his party! Why? Because the kid always is asking for favors! The kid took off when he reach 18 because everyone around him treated him badly according to him. Life is SO much easier these days! | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1113 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.78.89  Rating: N/A |
Holy crap. Waddimiss? Did I miss it? OMG, I don't wanna' miss anything, is it over? Oh no. I missed it? Damn. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1114 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.78.89 Rating: N/A |
Oh, by the way, Sean: Re: ""Deka" is the VRLA brand from East Penn, so by definition they do not have flooded batteries. " Deka Flooded Battery, Wet Type 8L16 Methinks by definition, Leonard deserves an apology. | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1060 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 72.171.0.143 Rating: N/A |
You're right, I see East Penn is now branding both "Solar" and "Marine Master" lines as "Deka" batteries. I don't think that part of my post was what he had a problem with, though. And if you read through the entirety of the other thread, you will see he already got an apology, as well as what I wrote above in this thread. But he has not been back here since his first post in this thread to see any of it. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1212 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.243.148.70 Rating: N/A |
Jack...sounds so familiar...wonder if that is in my past???,,,present??? Yep, Sean...you did apologize. RCB | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1151 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 173.202.40.19 Rating: N/A |
Gomer, Who are the PRO'S here on BNO? How does one become a PRO and who decides which ones are PROS? | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 871 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.53.153.91 Rating: N/A |
Pro's on BNO are as Follows; People who have the knowledge to share their problems they have with others and admit to their mistakes and take the information they have received in proper order. Example; When Mom or DAD said you messed up and I helped bring you in this world and I can help take you out. I think that pros are the ones who knows and gladly TRYS to help fellow BNO'S with their problems and gives them the proper expertize to them. If advice is received and put to use and is helpful, then I think it was given by a PRO!! Gomer | ||
| Bill 340 (Bill_340)
Registered Member Username: Bill_340 Post Number: 105 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.202.114.169 Rating: |
to be a pro you must think you know most answers, or you may realy know most answers or you can have NO first hand knowledge at all or you can misread a previous post and quote as gospel or you can just set back and enjoy, the fiasco.............Life is great and so are the people on this board.............. o | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1115 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.78.89 Rating: |
Sean; You provided Leonard an apology, but unfortunately Leonard had been insulted by others as well. We see this problem a lot on forums, since there are so many individuals that take sides without understanding the full context of the "debate"; it somehow gets lost in the flurry of comments meant to support one side or the other. (You have quite a loyal following, Sean) Leonard asked a very simple question: 1. "What are some good 8D deep cycle flooded batteries? Does Deka make one? Thanks." 2. "I appreciate the input; however, no one has answered the question: “What are some good 8D batteries?” I’m not interested in Group 31’s just 8D’s please. Thank you." And those questions were disregarded for the quest to illustrate the vast knowledge some have of batteries in general. Although the display of a high degree of intelligence may leave some in great awe, it does absolutely nothing to provide an answer to the question asked. And to tell you the truth? I've always personally felt that an individual's intelligence is based not only on what they are capable of learning, but on how well they can relate to the situation at hand. Leonard's question had nothing to do with the choice of a battery type, yet all he received were intellectual sermons regarding everything with exception to his question. Sometimes, it's good to keep one's wealth of information at bay, until it's asked for....... Just sayin'... | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 877 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.83.4 Rating: N/A |
I for one think if left a alone between him a Sean it would have worked out but that never happens on these board. I was shocked with a good friend of mine reply,truly was a bad deal good luck | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 553 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
It seemed to me the problem arose because someone wanted a simple answer to a complex question. Sort of like asking "what is a good make of vehicle?" Of course the answer will vary depending on the needs & intended use. Refusing to acknowledge this doesn't make those who tried to expalin bad guys. Those "intellectual sermons" were intended to help shed light on the subject so a more informed question could be asked - or more information shared so the best answer for that situation could be presented. | ||
| Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
Registered Member Username: Tekebird Post Number: 438 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 71.57.224.23 Rating: N/A |
if someone wants a one on one answer: send an email to an individual send a question into some online answer site where one person answers all boards and forums are full of contradictory opinions, personal opinions etc.....it is the nature of things. Although it is true there are no stupid questions, an incomplete question or a vague question will rarely get the single answer you want in a media such as this | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 878 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.83.4 Rating: N/A |
I thought it was a simple question unless like I do most of the time miss read a post lol | ||
| ned sanders (Uncle_ned)
Registered Member Username: Uncle_ned Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 74.162.19.106 Rating: N/A |
I think a "PRO" and a "EXPERT" are the same thing. A person with a tie,white shirt and from out of town. uncle ned | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 554 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
Years ago, as a recent graduate, I was looking at a niece's "see-n-say" - you know, the ones with an arrow to point at something on the dial & a string that, when pulled, you would hear a description & sound. There were no batteries & it was probably better than 10 years old- yet it still worked well. Since I like knowing how things are made & what mechanisms are utilized behind the covers, I was contemplating what could be used to store & recreate the sound. I thought out loud "I wonder how this works?" A simply worded question concerning what I thought was a complex mechanism. The answer from my mother clearly demonstrated her very different perspective & reminded me of her habbit of talking to me as I was still a preschooler. . . . Her answer - "You just point the arrow & pull the string". Sometimes a simple response does not provide enough information answer the question, even tho it left the impression to some that the question was indeed answered. Sometimes, the answer you get isn't what you wanted to hear. Life is too short & I'm too lazy to bother carrying a grudge. | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 1025 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 68.171.234.18  Rating: N/A |
Well that couldn't have been said any better Kyle! | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1116 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.78.89 Rating: |
Question: "I wonder how to turn on the lights in the garage?" Typical answer at www.busnut.com: The first step is to create electricity at a power plant. Basically, electricity is created by magnets spinning inside of a whole bunch of wires. The magnets spinning around cause electrons to move which creates electricity. What varies for each type of power plant is what causes the magnets to spin (see sections on steam turbines and wind and water powered generators). This electricity producing machine is called a generator. The power created is measured in volts. You use 120 volts in your house, but the voltage levels on the power lines can be 300,000 to 400,000 volts or even more. Voltages are changed by devices called transformers which raise voltages at some points and lowering them at other times. After leaving the power plant, electricity is transported on power lines. It is more efficient to transport high voltages so the voltage on the lines is very high. Power lines form a huge system or grid that attaches everybody's house and business to the power plants. In the United States, virtually the entire country is attached to the same grid. Texas is almost separate, but there are still a couple ties into the rest of the grid. All power plants add electricity into the system so if one plant goes down, there is still electricity because the other plants just put a little more in. The power lines deliver voltage to transformers (usually a series of transformers) to change (step down) the voltage to 120V for you to use in your house. At your house, the power comes to one spot before being sent out to the rest of your house. This one common point is either a fuse box or a breaker box depending on how old your house is. Most traditional electricity is generated using steam. Steam turbines are used to spin the magnets inside the coils of wire in the generator. The process starts with a boiler that heats water to create steam. The steam flows to the turbine causing it to spin. Picture water running over a water wheel and you have the concept. Steam flows through the pipes just like water through a hose. This spins the magnets inside the generator which creates electricity. There is a fantastic page the shows how electricity is created by a steam turbine. It has a really cool graphical overview with some animations and information on each step of the process. What varies in the steam turbine type of energy generation is what powers the boiler. Traditionally, fossil fuels like coal or oil are burned to create the heat needed to generate steam. While these resources are currently abundant, they will eventually run out and they pollute the environment. A more modern and potentially dangerous method of heating water to create steam is a nuclear reactor. They can be very efficient, but have the potential for almost unparalleled disaster. The next section will go over some natural ways to generate electricity that are starting to become more popular. Many energy companies like Ambit Energy in Texas offer environmentally friendly power at competitive rates. There are a couple different methods of generating electricity being used today. They use centuries old technology to turn the turn the magnets in the generators. First you have wind power being harnessed by large windmills. This type of power is usually used to supplement fossil fuel generated power or even power small communities, but it has not become "mainstream" as they say. You also have huge hydroelectric power plants that harness the power of moving water to generate electricity. Certain areas of the country use entirely water generated electricity. Both of these methods can be very expensive to start up, but the power plants don't need to continue to buy fuel to burn to heat the water and make steam. They are only good in certain areas because if there is no wind or water there is no potential for generating electricity this way. There are a couple different ways your local electric company fits into the picture. First, you have the traditional monopolistic method. This is the way it has been done for a hundred years without change. There is also a new, deregulated way electric companies fit into the picture. Originally, electric utilities were set up as monopolies. One company owned everything from the steam turbines generating electricity to the transformers to the power lines that delivered electricity right to your house. The problem with this and all monopolies is that the electric company can charge you anything they want because there is nobody else you can buy from. Fortunately, the government recognizes this as a potential problem and has very strict laws governing prices. A new electric distribution model has emerged in the last few years. It is a deregulated business model where multiple companies sell electricity and have to compete for customers. In this model, one company or set of companies owns the power plants while a different set of companies is responsible for selling the electricity. Some states like Texas, New York, and soon Illinois allow non-monopolistic companies to essentially buy electricity from the power plants and sell it to consumers. In the place of large companies, small companies even individual people become Energy Consultants and are making a ton of money. This allows a lot of people to profit from energy instead of just one large monopolistic company. There are good points for both models. In the government regulated, monopolistic model, prices can be kept low if the government sets prices fairly. This can actually lead to lower prices than the deregulated, open market system. However, in the deregulated, open market system, companies have to compete for customers by offering better service and the lowest prices availble. To offer low prices, companies have to be more effecient. This is ultimately best for everybody and in the long run, will lead to better prices even if it seems to be more expensive at first. If you do have a choice, you should definitely check out your alternatives to see what is best for you. (anyone got a flashlight?) The term flashlight originated because the early carbon filament bulbs were inefficient and the batteries were weak. The use of these early versions could produce light for only a few seconds before having to turn the light off. Hence, a flash of light is all these first devices could muster. The first flashlights were hand-made from crude paper and fiber tubes, with a bulb and rough brass contacts. The piece of plastic, coated with a shiny aluminum layer that rests around the bulb is called the reflector. This component reflects light rays from the bulb to allow a steady light beam, which is what you see coming from a flashlight. The bulb, or lamp, is the source of light in a flashlight. It contains a tungsten filament that glows when electricity flows through it. This glow is in the form of visible light. Tungsten is a natural element and the filament is nothing more than a very thin wire. There was no on/off switch. There was merely a ring or tab that would push against a metal button. As the technology for stronger bulbs and longer lasting batteries evolved, a reliable on/off switch became more important. Overall flashlight technology took a huge leap forward in 1910 with the introduction of nickel-plated tubes and tungsten filament bulbs. The sales pitch for these lights read; "The light that does not flicker in a draft, extinguish in a wind and is controlled instantly by finger pressure." Today's modern flashlights are similar in style to the first ones ever made. However, the materials used to make flashlights has made great progress. Whether you are outdoors for a nighttime adventure or find yourself in the dark from a power outage after a storm, the convenience of a portable, lightweight, dependable light source is one our most modern achievements. Some flashlights have changeable lenses of varying colors. Most people never consider just how a flashlight works, as long as it comes on when they hit the switch. There are seven main components that combine to make a flashlight work. First is the case. This is the tube that houses the other components, including the batteries and the bulb. Many of the flashlights you find will have an aluminum casing. These are common because of their resistance to corrosion and low weight. Others are rubber "armor coated" and some come with dense thermoplastic housings. Stay away from flashlights that come with flimsy plastic casings. Next come the contacts. This is a very thin spring or strip of metal, most commonly copper or brass, that is located throughout the flashlight. This metal makes the electrical connection between the batteries, the bulb and the switch. The contacts conduct electricity and complete the circuit making everything work. The switch activates the flow of electricity when pushed "on." Pushing the switch to "off" interrupts that flow and the light turns off. Thereare difffernt types of switches on flashlights too. On some models there is a positive "push" button on the casing or the endcap. Other models require you to rotate the head of the flashlight to turn it on. Neither one is better than that other -- some of the "head rotating" switches are built that way because they have adjustable beams to go from "spot" to "flood." Some flashlights like the popular Maglite have both a push button switch and an adjustable head. To protect the bulb, which is a very fragile glass device, a lens is placed over the filament in a flashlight. This is usually a clear plastic, and some more expensive models come with scratchproof lens. Some flashlights have changeable lenses of varying colors. These lenses have special applications used mostly in military flashlights, or "torches," but many hunters have found that blue filters work well for tracking blood trails of wounded game at night. Last but not least are the batteries. The batteries store the electricity needed to make the filament glow, thus producing the light. For "hands free" lighting, a headlamp is the perfect choice. So now that you know where flashlights came from and how they work, how do you go about choosing a flashlight that will meet your specific needs? Most households in America have an ordinary inexpensive flashlight in the toolbox or in the junk drawer. You will also see a lot of these two D-cell flashlights in emergency car kits. One light will not solve all of your "I need some light" situations. If you're camping, you're going to need a bright, durable light to use around camp. If you are working under the hood of your vehicle, or night-fishing, a small flashlight or headlamp might be perfect for you.. But if "Spot" runs off in the night a small, or cheap D-cell light will not tell you if that animal at the end of the block is your lost dog or a wandering raccoon. A two- or three-cell light should be in every vehicle you have. You shouldn't have to pay a lot for this light, but remember that like everything else, you get what you pay for. You may want to consider a large 4 cell light in your vehicle for true emergencies or possibly even have a larger light in your garage or near your backdoor for when you need lots of light and need it fast. With these larger lights you can easily tell Spot from a raccoon and a pile of leaves from someone hiding in your bushes. Today there more brands and styles of flashlights than could be covered in ten articles. Your choices are virtually endless. But there three main points I would like to stress to you as you consider purchasing any flashligh -- durability, efficiency, and light output. You can also find good flashlights to fit most any budget. You can spend $10 and get a fine junk draw flashlight for looking under appliances. Once you get above the $20 range your choices become more complex and more competitive. You can even purchase flashlights that cost $100-$200, but these are heavy-duty utility lights, sports lights, and work lights -- many of them built for law enforcement and military personnel. These lights are built to very high tolerances and can take the punishment associated with these professions. It may seem like a lot for a flashlight, but once you've used a high-quality flashlight, you'll see why they cost more than conventional "household" flashlights. Another option to consider in hand-held lights are the rechargeable models. Another option to consider in hand-held lights are the rechargeable models. They are bright, long lasting and dependable. A good thing about rechargeable lights is, obviously, there is no battery expense involved. But that savings is not actual because the initial cost of a rechargeable unit is usually 3 to 4 times that of battery dependent models. You do have to plug-in rechargeable lights to renew their energy and some only last about 2-hours. In the past few years there has been a great deal of attention given to flashlights with LED (light emitting diode) technology. The LED lights are small, durable and easy on batteries, and can up to 10 years before burning out. The field of LED lights is growing tremendously now and the price of these great flashlights are coming down enough to be very affordable to outdoor consumers. Some companies are offering the best of both worlds with flashlights and headlamps featuring both LED lights and conventional bulbs. An the opposite side of the spectrum are Lithium lights. These are expensive, don't have a long battery life, and burn out easier. The bright side is that they are extremely bright. Once you have chosen and purchased your new flashlight, take care of it. Regardless of its cost, a little maintenance can go a long way. In dry cell lights, once a month you should remove the batteries. You then use a pencil eraser and scrub both terminals of each battery. If you can get to the contact points and bottom spring in the light, scrub them with the eraser, too. If your batteries show any sign of leakage, replace them. You should replace flashlight batteries every six months whether you have used the light or not. This is very important for the flashlight you carry in your vehicle. The extremes in temperatures inside you car or truck are very destructive on your flashlight's batteries. And as we all know, when you really need a flashlight is the exact time they do not work. It is not the fault of the light. It is our fault for not maintaining a tool we might need in an emergency. I suggest you tune-up your vehicle's flashlight every time you tune-up your vehicle. Portable, hand-held lights came a long way in the past century. Their evolution is surely not over. That means that no matter what you need a flashlight for, there is one that will meet that need. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 880 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.83.4 Rating: N/A |
John, you have to much spare time | ||
| Dale Waller (Happycampersrus)
Registered Member Username: Happycampersrus Post Number: 380 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 166.235.200.93 Rating: N/A |
What are some good breakers to use in my house??? What are some good flashlights?? ROTFLMAO! | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 874 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.53.153.91 Rating: N/A |
Holy Mackeral!! That is WAY OUT MAN. I believe you need to go to the drug store and restock!! Breakers; for your house? Ones that fit and work. Flashlight; Ones that works! BUT they make the manual ones that you exhaust all your energy to get a little light to stay on for a minute. However that might be long enough to get out of the jam you may be in! LOL Gomer | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 555 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 72.147.40.96 Rating: |
you can only lead a horse to water . . . | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 66 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 76.109.102.90 Rating: N/A |
I swear the Entertainment on this board is boundless. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1216 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.242.0.128 Rating: N/A |
Gooooollllyyyy JTNG....what is UR problem???? Luv it!!!!!! Luvr is ab so lute ly correct!~!!!!!!!!!!! RCBV | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1845 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.66.16.187 Rating: N/A |
yes, we resemble that. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25 Rating: N/A |
OMG | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1067 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 67.142.130.47 Rating: N/A |
John, I am really impressed by your ability to cut and paste. I'm sure you obtained permission beforehand, too. http://hubpages.com/hub/How-electricity-is-made-and-delivered-to-your-house http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPage?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&lang Id=-1&mode=article&objectID=29593 http://www.farmandhomesupply.com/pages.php?pageid=36 -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 646 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 64.40.216.39  Rating: N/A |
John, What was that again????? | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 1354 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 24.239.15.161 Rating: N/A |
I am happy to have met Sean an Louise at a rally several years ago. I had the pleasure of touring their bus. They full time. They love people. They have lived and know a ton. These things I know. I also know, that had Leonard met Sean & Louise before they communicated together on this or any board, this thread would have turned out significantly different. Let's keep our eye on the ball folks. Inflection, personality, expertise, the lack thereof, blah, blah, blah... can't see it, can't feel it, can't hear it. No body language, no intonation, no chuckle heard. These bulletin boards have almost nothing in common with reality. Except the words. Thank you all for being here. Including you, Leonard. Ace, nice to hear from you after a long silence, my friend ;-) Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 1028 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 206.53.147.54 Rating: |
I@n I haven't gone anywhere! I started a few post and replied to some mainly because it seems the lambs have become somewhat silent or maybe (hopefully)they matured! Regardless, I'm here and have been almost since day 1 when most of these guys were still watching happy day re-runs on TV! | ||
| macgyver (91flyer)
Registered Member Username: 91flyer Post Number: 578 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 173.217.11.76  Rating: N/A |
Hoo-boy. Ok... I'm not going to answer everything that's been posted... But, I will give my opnions on a couple of things... First... What constitutes an "Expert"? An expert is one who has a vast amount of knowledge, but more than that, UNDERSTANDS what that knowledge means and can clearly relay that information to someone who doesn't know it or doesn't currently comprehend it. That said, an "Expert" doesn't necessarily know everything. After all, one who knew everything would be "Omnipotent", also known as a "God". Therefore, it's defined more clearly as an individual with specialized knowledge and an understanding of that knowledge on a particular topic or topics. Now, the difference between an "Expert" and a "Professional" is just as easy... An "Expert" will relay the information and knowledge as clearly as possible without inflection of emotion or even bothering to "dumb it down". These people don't bother with pleasantries or niceties or even sugar coating anything... They say it exactly as they see it. A "Professional", on the other hand, is more adept at dealing with people who simply don't know much of anything about the topic at hand and is capable of "dumbing it down" for someone who doesn't understand technical lingo and jargon... Now, that said... a "Professional" isn't necessarily an "Expert" or vice-versa... But those who are both? I would call a "Professional Expert". These folks are rare because it involves pretending you're actually a newbie learning it again for the first time yourself and explaining it as if you were explaining something to a 2 year old. THESE people are the most annoying because they often dumb it down TOO much and get too long winded. See? That wasn't so hard! John... Your entirely too long post... skipped. :p <soapbox> As for "newbies"... Anyone getting into this hobby (or any hobby, really) that doesn't really know what they're doing... Especially with this hobby, as has been said, it's dangerous to go poking around and doing things if you don't understand how something works... You can be injured, maimed or outright killed... And often, newbies work alone which just creates a whole slew of additional problems... A major accident that may have been avoided by simply having another pair of eyes can turn into an hours (or days) long tortuous death from slow exsanguination, crushing injuries, loss of limbs, head trauma, punctured organs, etc, etc... Anyone who comes into this hobby better be willing to accept general answers when general questions are asked... And further, until they actually DO know more about what they're doing... Knock the damn chip off their shoulder, STFU and LISTEN to what other people have to say. _EVERYONE_ has an opinion about any single topic. Not all answers will be the same, not all answers will even be remotely SIMILAR to a general question. So... Newbies are best started by asking general questions and looking in the archives... As has been said... The archives have many, many thousands of posts... This can be a daunting task when you simply don't know what you're really looking for! My first time here... I was pretty much the same... I asked general questions. As my understanding of things improved, my questions often became more "to the point"... But, even now, I still ask general questions. Take my recent post about engines/transmissions for example. A general question and fairly simple at first glance... "What engine from IH should I be looking at for my bus?"... Simple, right? Nope, of course not. Answers varied because everyone has their own opinion... I finally decided on the 7.3L engine, and am now trying to acquire it... Point is, newbs start out with generalities and will often get long winded responses that can often leave that person feeling... Overwhelmed, underwhelmed, dazed or simply insulted because they thought they were asking a simple question. Approaches vary... But my personal opinion here... Don't go into long winded responses when the question is so general. Ask questions in return... The current topic being "What are some good 8D deep cycle flooded batteries? Does Deka make one? Thanks." Instead of going into links and specific details about what's what or why something's better and all that mess... Why not just ask a few questions to help clarify and solidify exactly what he was looking for? Like, "What's the intended use?"... Then go from there... Obviously, the responses he got weren't what he was looking for, he said so... But it's painfully obvious to me that he didn't get the answer he was looking for simply because _NOBODY_ understood his question's intent... It's also obvious he himself didn't understand what he was asking, which simply exacerbated the problem. Now, this particular post.. with him leaving... That's just childish behavior. But, I'll also say that if he's leaving this board because of the battery thread... He might just as well sell the bus and find another hobby. Why? Because he's going to get himself killed. These things aren't toys. They're not "just" weekend projects. They're HEAVY EQUIPMENT. Industrial stuff... You either respect them, or you start planning your funeral because you WILL end up dead. So, Leonard... If you're still reading this board (and thread) silently... Here's MY opinion... Quit acting like a child. Take your well deserved lumps and get back in here... Otherwise, at least let us know what paper to start looking at for your obituary. No, I'm not kidding. I'm betting nearly EVERYONE on this board has had at least one "close call" where it could have potentially been a life ending accident because of something done that was simply careless or improper. The biggest problem with that is this: You aren't the only one you're going to endanger. If you change the brake linings, or wheel bearings, or brake components... And you do it wrong... And it FAILS doing even 5mph down the road... YOU CAN POTENTIALL KILL SOMEONE ELSE, even if you walk away without a scratch. And guess what? YOU are liable for that failure, whether you were the one that did the work, or you paid someone to do it for you. It's on YOUR head (perhaps literally). So, do yourself, and us, a favor... Come back in, ask your questions. Show us what you're doing, what you'd like to do, etc, etc... Lose the attitude and enjoy the company here. You won't find many places that offer FREE EXPERT KNOWLEDGE. (Notice I didn't say PROFESSIONAL)... Many people here are just like you... Just getting into this. Others have been at it for years. And don't worry... As long as you come back in with a better attitude... You'll be forgiven by everyone... You aren't the first to be "chased off" by blunt words... And you certainly wouldn't be the first to come back afterwords. Lots of folks just don't like other folks... It's just human nature... Accept it, move on, ask your questions, get the advice and be safe about what you're doing. That's what we're all here for. Also keep in mind that any bus rallies you ever attend? I can almost guarantee you that members from this board will be there and even helped in organizing it... And if you leave on these terms... You WILL be remembered for it at those events... And you WILL have burned a lot of bridges you'll wish you hadn't later on... I, myself, am still "fairly new" and I've avoided major catastrophies simply by sitting back and reading... Not necessarily even posting. That's just how this works... And Sean... Maybe try what I said earlier... ask a question to the question? I know when I first started reading here, you seemed arrogant... Of course, I know better now... But that's how you come across to someone not used to your... bluntness, I suppose. Just about everyone said the wrong things and took the wrong stances in the topic... It happens. Anyone that got their panties in a bunch (on either side of the fence)... Pull 'em out of the crack of your arse, straighten them out and move on. There's much more fun to be had in the other topics anyway! ^.^ </soapbox> Ok. I've said what I wanted to say. I'm sure I'm probably going to piss someone off, and that's fine. This is a great board with great people... I may not always agree with what's said, but who does? Just keep on movin' down the road at whatever speed you feel comfortable with and... Above all else... ENJOY the ride and don't forget to take in the view! -Mac | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1162 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 173.202.27.129 Rating: |
I don't often agree with John MC9 but I could find nothing in his third post to disagree with!! Uncle Ned, I always heard an expert was some SOB from out of town carrying a briefcase, but your definition is pretty close to mine. Unfortunately, I think most of our experts/pros are self-appointed, which is essentially what Gomer said in his answer to my question. I find that the quality of a post is usually inversely proportional to the length. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1238 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.242.219.37 Rating: N/A |
...joggling for long post champ?.... What a great board, folks (U 2 Boss Nut!!) Many thanx! RCB |
