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| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25  Rating: N/A |
Has anybody used water heater from a house? What i am refering to is a propane 30 gallon water heater. I searched the archives but found nothing on the subject. Just thinking about doing this. I like long showers!! Another question, if this is possible (where theres a will, there is a way,)Is it possible to put a 110v anode just in case i am pluged into some juice? I know i will probably get some flac for this. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 166.128.110.207 Rating: N/A |
IF space were the supreme criteria.... followed closely by LONG HOT showers all day laong... then an "on demand" tankless type would be your 1st choice. My Bosch wall mount unit is 8 in. deep and 18" X 33" as you face it. It's easy on the propane tank as well. Once you buy one you'll wonder why you ever thought a tank type was a good idea....for one you don't heat water for 12 hours a day that you won't use! The 2-4 seconds longer you have to wait over a tank type isn't even noticed. Of course the above is just one guy's opinion based on over a year of satisfied daily usage. | ||
| Neil Holmes (Homer) (Homer)
Registered Member Username: Homer Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 139.142.19.44  Rating: N/A |
Make that two peoples opinion. I love our Hot Water on Demand. We took a friend along on one of our quad trips, all 3 of us took showers to get the mud off, and no shortage of hot water. It is also the only system I could use to fill our jacuzzi tub in the bus. I have an electric hot water heater that I have never used since we got the bus 2 years ago. | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 1029 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 68.171.235.74  Rating: N/A |
I have an under counter very small (2.5 gal I think) wet bar type water heater that has supplied 2 people with enough hot water for everything we need and fast! | ||
| Jim Wallin (Powderseeker01)
Registered Member Username: Powderseeker01 Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 174.16.129.68  Rating: N/A |
I have one, 40 gal propane power vent type. I use it for heat too. Works great. We stayed warm all winter in colorado with temps as low as -13, and plenty of hot water too. | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 392 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.5.35  Rating: N/A |
Hey Jack or Neil. What size are those "on demand" heaters and how much room do you need around the installation for fire safety? I am going to replace our old Montgomery Wards electric, but was figuring on the motorhome style propane as we had one in our class A S&S and never had any touble with it. They are all pilotless now with automatic ignition. Just wondering about the differences in price and installation, etc. The "on demand" ones run about a grand for a house size one at Menards. Are there smaller and cheaper ones? Thanks for any info. John | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 70 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 174.48.6.180  Rating: |
http://www.thetankless.com | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 393 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.5.35 Rating: |
George, that one looks like its 220 V electric. Might be OK for a house, but I can't see the application in a bus unless they make some other models I didn't see. John | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 264 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.23.130.210  Rating: N/A |
Has anyone seen a bus with a solar heating system for the hot water heater? They have them for homes. Our Raritan hot water heater has a heat exchanger for engine antifreeze and we also have a e-spar that could benifit as well. I could possibly warm and circulate that whole antifreeze loop. I could plumb it to open and close what I needed when I needed it. I digress. I know the stuff is out there I should do a search out of curiosity, maybe someone knows already. The tankless electric are hard to make a case against. Question? I would figure out a way not to sacrifice heating the water off of engine heat going down the road. What do you guys with these tankless electric heaters do for these situations? What units do you have 110 or 220? I am thinking the compramises on having them are worth making overall. Very Cool | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 444 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 173.77.207.138  Rating: N/A |
We have a Atlantic Marine unit i thinks its 4 gals. Built in Va.Its 15x15" and is SS and has the engine loop. Like Ace's unit it has always provided plenty of hot water for 2 and we never have replaced the 110 element in 10 years. I just pulled it tonite to reconnect the engine loop and its moving to a new location. Bill, the biggest waste of energy for the hotwater system is the standby loss of heat. Jim how did you use your propane unit for cabin heat? Sounds good for your temps!!!! | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 984 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.37.31.150 Rating: N/A |
The tankless electric linked above has some deliberate false advertising, and just can't be used with success in a bus, unless it has 50 Amps of 240 Volt power! RUN FROM THAT THING, AND HERE'S WHY! Look at their wire size requirements, (#6 AWG required.) Electric resistance heat provides 3,412 BTU per Kilowatt, period. It doesn't matter whether it is a toaster, a plug in space heater, a blow drier, a water heater, or......... So, it would take 10 Kilowatt-hours of electricity to get 34,120 BTU of electric resistance heat, and if the rate was only $0.20/Kilowatt, that 34,120 BTU would cost you $2.00. It takes 8.5 BTU to raise the temperature of a gallon of water ONE degree, so to raise the temperature of 10 gallons of water from 50 to 120, will take an hour and 7 or 8 minutes with a 1500 Watt electric. A gallon of propane has 94,600 BTU, a gallon of gasoline or diesel has 144,000 BTU, both are about 80% efficient. IMNSHO, a tankless electric is hard to make a case FOR, you just don't get much hot water out of them. Guys and gals with 120 Volt tankless heaters take cold showers. 120 Volt 10 gal electrics usually have a 1500 Watt element, which gives out 5118 BTU if the campground is giving you exactly 120 V. Residential gas tankless heaters are between 100,000 and 199,000 BTU, I have installed about a hundred of them in the last 5 years, and heat the house and the water with most of them. The Rinnai seem to be entirely trouble-free. G | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 81 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25 Rating: N/A |
I would love to have a tankless gas water heater but right now it is not in my budget. I came across a 30 gal propane water heater for $40 bucks. My original 6 gal rv type water heater took a crap on me. It was an aluminum type and it busted right open like a flower blooming. I will have to cut a hole in the floor to drop in the 30 gal tank. So if anybody knows any reason i should not put this thing in, speak now as i am cutting the hole for it tomorrow. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1142 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.57  Rating: N/A |
The tankless also have a problem with service life. A HW heater in a home is an expendable item 8-10 years , or 5 -6 on a boat or camper . The tankless is of the same cheao construction so should have a similar limited service life. FF | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 266 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.23.130.210 Rating: N/A |
George, thank you for that info. I figured the 110 units were not for showering. I assumed many out there are 50amp buses with 220 available, ours is. Most campgrounds I go to do not charge for juice. | ||
| Tom Christman (Tchristman)
Registered Member Username: Tchristman Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.218.33.156 Rating: N/A |
I used two 10 gal 120vac water heaters from Home Depot. One feeds into the next with the final water heater powered through the inverter to maintain hot water during the day while driving. They have been zero problems in the 15 years since I installed them (they were one of the first things installed when I started my conversion). I like the system so much, I'm using it again. The only draw back-when dry camping, have to start the gen in the morning to warm up the water for showers. Good Luck, TomC | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 394 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.5.35 Rating: N/A |
Good info everyone. That's what I like about this board! Bill asked a question that dovetailed into what I was working on and we all learned something in the process. Thanks all. John | ||
| les marston (Les_marston)
Registered Member Username: Les_marston Post Number: 41 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.151.248.141 Rating: N/A |
Bill before you start cutting holes can I ask how you plan on doing the chimney? kind of critical not to have a back flow. Co2 can be a bugger Les | ||
| David Guglielmetti (Daveg)
Registered Member Username: Daveg Post Number: 160 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 71.139.247.230  Rating: N/A |
party pooper! | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 398 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
It is CO, the monoxide variety which can be rather deadly, not the other over which all the greens are going gaga over. Joe. | ||
| les marston (Les_marston)
Registered Member Username: Les_marston Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.151.248.141 Rating: N/A |
I noticed my mistake just as I hit the post button but thanks for the correction Joe Les | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 987 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.68.225.138 Rating: N/A |
Bill, You can do it, and as others above have already stated, proper venting is the concern. The heater probably has about a 30-35,000 BTU burner, so will need a square inch per thousand BTU of combustion air intake, (Fresh air around the bottom.) It will also need air for the draft diverter (the mushroom looking thingy with three legs on top of the tank) to function. Then, double-wall type B Vent pipe needs one inch of clearance to combustibles, and be certain your stack tops out above the roof so you don't get any CO back in. Remember the water alone will weigh 255 pounds... G | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 82 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25 Rating: N/A |
George, why the draft diverter? Why not 3in pipe right over the exaust and out the side of bus? I have it this way as i installed it today. It Seems to work ok. I just didnt want that draft diverter do divert any exaust into bus. If i went straight up with the pipe it would be exausting out next to the black tank vent. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 32.176.206.164 Rating: N/A |
If you find the Tankless type intriguing, you might want to wander over to default,sc.html, THIS LINK where they offer the newer cousins to the unit I own. Stainless innards make it's service life about as long as mine, I expect it to out live me actually! This site is a factory outlet reconditioned sale site & the prices are * SUBstancially * below retail (experience speaking). FWIW | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 267 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.23.130.210 Rating: N/A |
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/water_heating.htm | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 1270 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.144.148.87  Rating: |
"If I went straight up with the pipe it would be exausting out next to the black tank vent" Think how neat that blue flame would be at night? LOL Jack | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 988 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.68.225.138 Rating: |
Can anybody document a black tank explosion? A little warm air wouldn't start a fire if the tank vent was combustible. Bill, A residential water heater is designed to work with a draft diverter and a minimum of 5 feet of vertical vent above the top of the heater. When the draft inducing length is reduced, the fresh air intake is reduced, which decreases the amount of carbon dioxide in the exhaust, and increases the amount of carbon monoxide. (Dioxide being two oxygen molecules, Monoxide being one.) People absorb CO in prefrence to oxygen by a factor of over 20 to one, making a VERY small amount of CO VERY dangerous. Oxygen is present in the atmosphere at about 20%, CO is measured in parts per million, with a standard commercial garage ventilator set to operate the fan at 50 ppm, ( 0.00005%) I think I have the right amount of zeroes after the decimal. Bottom line? Short-venting a gas burning appliance, AND venting it outside below a window is DEADLY! G | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1228 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.244.165.244 Rating: N/A |
Good post G.... RCB | ||
| Jim Wallin (Powderseeker01)
Registered Member Username: Powderseeker01 Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 174.16.129.68 Rating: N/A |
You might take a look at some of the power ventilated versions. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1145 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.79 Rating: N/A |
"If I went straight up with the pipe it would be exausting out next to the black tank vent" Think how neat that blue flame would be at night? Think GREEN! If you eat enough Mexican food you might pipe the methane from the black tank to the gas HW heater. Need a hot shower ? eat a Taco! Need a full bath tub? A couple of Burritos should do! FF | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1230 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.244.32.145 Rating: N/A |
 RCB | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: N/A |
George, where do you think a regular rv water heater is mounted? Every single one i have ever seen has been mounted just below the window. | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 445 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 173.77.207.138 Rating: N/A |
Bill that may be true but by code the EXHAUST cannot be within 6-8' feet of a window that can open and never below it. The power vent units overcome certain venting obstacles but the codes are to keep people alive. I cant imagine you needing this much hot water and it would be a suck minus to have it vibrate and lose a seam or crack and have a major flood. 5 gals is a lot of water inside, 30 would major! | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 84 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: N/A |
Ok, first that window is not ever going to be open and will some day have a sheet of metal there. Second i dont have to worry about flooding as the majority of the tank is located in under storage area. I used the old casing from the regular rv water heater and through the rv water heater diverter. I will post a picture when i can. It works like a champ! | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: |
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| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.23.130.210 Rating: N/A |
Bill this photo has me turned around. Your photo shows a bay and the tank is mounted to the ceiling of the bay? Wait, is it mounted to the back wall of a bay? is that even in a bay? | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 521 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221  Rating: |
Joe Look closer it appears it is in the coach. I personally would have issue with that tank venting. It appears you are using dryer hose and I doubt that is rated for exhausting combusion gases. If you really want it inside go electric. Any breach and you aren't going to wake up. Make sure you have a good CO detector (Message edited by timb on April 17, 2010) | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 1273 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 68.26.197.62 Rating: N/A |
Is it mounted horizontally? Was it designed to mount horizontally? It not it may not work as well as planned. A water heater that is designed to mount vertically will have a cold water inlet pipe inside the tank that puts the cold water in the bottom of the tank and a hot water outlet pipe near the top of the tank (hot water rises). This helps prevent the cold and hot from mixing in the water heater and insures hotter water at the outlet. You might want to check actual operation before buttoning everything up. I hope it works, would hate to see you go to all that work and then find it was not satisfactory. Jack (Message edited by JackConrad on April 17, 2010) | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1077 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 70.134.90.221  Rating: |
Jack, the photo is sideways. Bill -- that thing is a deadly accident waiting to happen. Please do this right; there is a code book for this for a reason. Many have died from improperly installed gas-burning appliances. We don't want you and your family to be next. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 86 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: N/A |
Turn your computer monitor counter clock wise. LOL. No thats not a dryer hose. Its rated at 400F. | ||
| Bill McMackin (06_bill)
Registered Member Username: 06_bill Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 76.119.44.188 Rating: N/A |
Bill I use a 30 gal propane ($119 on sale) water heater from Home Depot works great 7 years now. 06 Bill | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: N/A |
How did you end up installing it? | ||
| Debbie and Joe Cannarozzi (Joe_camper)
Registered Member Username: Joe_camper Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.23.130.210 Rating: N/A |
O/K so what I'm looking at is the top it is standing upright vented just below what was a window. Is it's base mounted to the botttom of the bay below and you have cut a hole in the ceiling of that bay and the top ends up just below the window line in the cabin? | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 399 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: |
If you are going out the side wall, I would suggest at least a powervent at minimum. Joe. That "mono" oxide is not to be fooled with! | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 88 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: N/A |
Yes, the majority of the tank is in the bay. If it does leak, it will leak down there. Joe, no "mono" oxide yet. Thanks. It has been fired up for three days now. So far so good. | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 1274 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 173.127.239.140 Rating: N/A |
Bill, I hope it works out OK. I would suggest that you install a CO detector. Mount it in a location that follows the instructions that come with it. CO is lighter than air. Jack | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 991 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.68.225.138 Rating: N/A |
Bill, I don't post what I post lightly, or without considerable thought. I am a licensed heating and air conditioning contractor, and have installed and/or replaced hundreds of water heaters. You have a residential type water heater, which is intended to be installed in a residence, vented vertically through the roof, and supplied with 1 square inch of combustion air opening, per 1000 BTU, when installed in a confined space. This combustion air is Uniform Plumbing Code required to be supplied 50% at the bottom of the space, and 50% at the top. As I previously mentioned, A DRAFT DIVERTER IS REQUIRED, as part of the way the heater was designed by its manufacturer! The code minimum vertical requirement, to induce proper draft, is FIVE feet. The total vertical run MUST be TWICE the horizontal run. Horizontal is defined as less than a 45 degree angle from vertical. Many of us, ME INCLUDED, have used things in our buses for other than their intended purpose(s), however, as others have already said, and now you have to add me to the list, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS LETHAL!!!!! I see FIVE Uniform Plumbing Code violations in what you have done, not to mention removing the draft diverter. I've already mentioned the hazards of carbon monoxide. My first RV was a 10 foot cabover camper, and it had an RV water heater in it. We purchased it used in 1977. The difference between it and what you have done was that the RV water heater was installed exactly according to the maufacturer's instructions. I'm done. George Todd | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 78 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 174.48.6.180 Rating: N/A |
well dude that settles it. George todd obviously knows this. he is an expert in this field if he is telling you that this set up can kill you please listen. I for one now have a clear path on how I am going to proceed one of the advantages of starting from scratch for me is the wealth of advice from the various experts in their fields here will keep me from making costly or deadly mistakes, I just have to park the ego and listen. | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 89 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25 Rating: N/A |
I will use a power vent if i have to but in the meantime i will keep my an eye on the CO and see how things pan out. Thanks everyone for your input. I still want to know how Bill McCrackin installed his 30 gal propane tank in his bus? Bill, where are you? | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 174.48.6.180 Rating: N/A |
Bill's QUOTE.......from the spas that left with his panties in a bind..thread NEW GUY OUT Wow. No way! This site is the best thing i have ever come across. Any advice of any sort is a godsent. At this point, i am only starting to learn and everything i have learned is due to the current and archived posts. I for one, say thank you ALL!!!...Bill Buddy I will say nothing else after this but my concious demands this of me. George M Todd an expert in this field seemed to me was trying his hardest to tell you that you are going to die with this set up. now you are going to ignore the advice that you said was a Godsend in the other post, and you have decided to trust your life and possibly your families on a sensing device that is likely made in China to monitor a dangerous contraption. please rethink this and forgive my intrusion. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 174.48.6.180 Rating: N/A |
By the the way. you are right about an appropriate amount of Flac. OK really that's it now I won't say more. only that we care Bill buddy | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 90 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: |
George, i knew i would get flack for it and i was right. I am just going back to regular old RV water heater. This time a ten gallon one. Athough some things dont make sence to me i do heed advice. Doing some research, on home water heaters: They want you to vent several inches above the roof line so that cabon monoxide doesnt get sucked through a window or something. But yet, an RV water heater is always mounted lower. Like below the window line. Doesnt make sence to me. A window a couple of feet away might be open. What about the carbon monoxide then? Same goes with the furnace. So that is 2X the CO can get into an open window. Some things in life contradict each other. Somebody tell me something. | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 993 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.68.225.138 Rating: |
Bill, Thanks for listening, and not going off in a huff! A properly operating gas burning appliance consumes oxygen, and produces mostly water vapor and carbon dioxide. The problem occurs when vent circulation becomes restricted, and not enough oxygen is available to the burner. Instead of having enough oxygen molecules to attach two of them (Di) to each carbon molecule, the flame turns yellow instead of blue, starts to deposit soot in the flue, and produces large amounts of carbon MONoxide. (MON as in one) Carbon dioxide is not harmful, it is the bubbles in beer and soda, the only bad thing it can do to us is displace oxygen in large quantities in confined spaces. Carbon monoxide will cause death at 400 ppm when breathed for four hours, if I remember correctly. It is colorless, and odorless. At only 2000 ppm, it is lethal in minutes. Sorry to rain on your campfire before it got the water warm, but there were just too many adverse modifications made to the 30 gal heater to have it work safely. G | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1232 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.245.21.25 Rating: N/A |
If "gallons" are important, check the marine suppliers....Defender as a beginning...lots of choices out there. FWIW RCB | ||
| les marston (Les_marston)
Registered Member Username: Les_marston Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.151.248.141 Rating: N/A |
I started by asking how you were going to vent this hot water tank and knew that others would set you right about what you were trying to do. I hate to tell someone that what they are doing is wrong but please let me ad 25 years of experience to say that I am glad that you have made the right choice in not trying to use this hot water tank as you were. The guys are right it was a bad situation waiting to happen. Les The Water Guy. | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 91 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 76.115.120.243 Rating: N/A |
George T, Now that makes sence! Remember when you asked mom "why cant i" she said "because i said so!" Things are sort of like that all the time when i ask for some help. So thank you for the why part. Thank you very much. | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 396 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.5.35 Rating: N/A |
Mr Todd, I stand in awe at not only your knowledge, but your ability to disseminate it in an understandable fashion. Outstanding post! Thank you. John | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 884 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.53.153.91  Rating: N/A |
I have found that; If you want the truth,don't ask a question and expect your answer. Expect the right answer even if you don't agree with it. I think that George,Sean,Jack, and I know that others are around and I don't want to exclude them either, are the reason that BNO rates the best in my book. I check other boards and I think that the answers given are to the point,not to offend anyone but according not only the LAW but the most practical answers for the problem or question ask about. My Highest respect to all the men who are giving their knowledge to others at no charge. Those who can't accept it, Sorry about your feeling being hurt. But it needs to be said correctly. I couldn't vote for just one person here as all are GREAT!! Gomer | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 89 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 174.48.6.180 Rating: N/A |
Kudos to the experts, to all the members here that make this site entertaining, to Ian for providing a forum where I am sure a life was saved. to Mr George Todd for saving said life, and last but not least TO MR BILL showing us how a MAN and proper member of this board takes his flac LIKE A MAN. learns from the advice and appreciates it and does not run away with twisted panties in a huff. CHEERS BILL!!! HERE HERE PIP PIP HOORAY!!! | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 92 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 98.232.207.25 Rating: N/A |
Everything being said, anybody got a 10 gal propane hot water heater they want to donate so i dont kill myself with caorbon monoxide? LOL. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1150 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.17 Rating: N/A |
For the folks that are taking the co generation route (heat source noisemaker or engine coolant)the marine electric units frequently have a hidden advantage. Should you plug in the heater to a 120V source with NO water in the unit , there is usually an overheat thermostat that will save the heating element . Just push to reset, not aviliable on the cheaper house stuff. FF | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 885 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.53.153.91 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Bill for LOL Gomer |
