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| J.M.Jannell (Joej)
Registered Member Username: Joej Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 68.28.168.231 Rating: N/A |
Can a DT466 be used in an Eagle bus. They can be turned up to 500-600 hp 1000 to 1200 tq. much lighter than a Detroit. Any input size f-r 48" Lt-Rt 24" top -oil pan sump 34" Wt around 1500 thanks | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 902 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.84.228 Rating: N/A |
500 to 600 hp from a DT466 is going to be tough for a 8L engine they don't last long at 350 hp the same engine is sold as a Detroit series 40. good luck | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1209 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.156.66.88  Rating: N/A |
Used in lobster boats they pull 125 -150 hp with nice long lives. Saw one in a 28 ft 50's Flex and the sleek little coach ran 14 mpg , with the foot down. But high HP? get a series 60 and twin turboes. FF | ||
| Tim Hoskinson (Tdh37514151)
Registered Member Username: Tdh37514151 Post Number: 262 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 98.28.100.32  Rating: N/A |
I have never herd of a 500 hp 466. Some were made available at 300 hp. but I'm sure life span was reduced however I have no experience with the 300 hp 466 as they were so rare I have never seen one. The 210 hp version were the most common and probably the most dependable. There were a few 275 hp engines around in dump trucks but again life span was reduced. It was a very good engine one of the best International ever built but like all engines it had its range and limits. You might try to locate a dt530. This engine when it came out was used only for fire truck application and is a bit harder to find but started a 300hp and went up I believe to 390hp. | ||
| Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
Registered Member Username: Pete_rtsdaytona Post Number: 618 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 97.104.18.110  Rating: N/A |
AKA --> Detroit Diesel "series 40" is an International DT466 / 530 http://www.transdiesel.com/Engines/ON-HIGHWAY/Detroit-Diesel-Series-40.asp HP / Torque Curves for the 530 cu/in version http://extranet.detroitdiesel.com/public/specs/3SA327.pdf | ||
| J.M.Jannell (Joej)
Registered Member Username: Joej Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 68.28.168.230 Rating: N/A |
Was not aware that the DT466 is a series 40 Detroit. A series 60 won't fit without mods due to height. What power can be expected from a 6V92ta with 95 injectors it is not as heavy as the 8V71 in the bus (Eagle 01)or the DT530 may work as an option. Tractor pullers have gotten 3000 hp from the 466 in competion trim only so reliable 500 doesn't seem out of line. Thanks | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 903 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.84.228 Rating: N/A |
Joel,the ISM, L10 Cummins or the smaller Cats fit into Eagles without nuch work and some 01 Eagles came with NH Cummins. good luck | ||
| Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
Registered Member Username: Pete_rtsdaytona Post Number: 619 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 97.104.18.110 Rating: N/A |
here's the curves for BOTH versions of the Series40 466 cu in / 7.6L and the 530cu in / 8.7L http://extranet.detroitdiesel.com/public/specs/3sa540.pdf | ||
| David Guglielmetti (Daveg)
Registered Member Username: Daveg Post Number: 167 Registered: 2-2009 Posted From: 67.121.225.94  Rating: |
someone should just say "no" | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 904 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.84.228 Rating: |
I wanted to Dave G but it is his bus LOL | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 1049 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.184.9.29 Rating: N/A |
Joe, What you are trying to do is "drink whiskey from a bottle of wine." David is exactly right above, and I agree with him 100%, but lets have some reasons why not. The 71 and 92 series Detroits are 2100 RPM engines, the DT466 is considerably higher, because it is a much smaller engine. You COULD change the differential ratio to get this little engine into its power band, but then you would blow up the radiator fan, the OTR A/C fan, and any other accesories that are now having their gear boxes turned 7 or 8 hundred RPM faster, so they are going a couple of thousand faster. You could get 350 HP (the standard rating of a 6V92TA) out of a DT466, and it would probably last a month, if the highway patrol didn't stop you for smoke first! The 2-cycle vee Detroits have 5 auxiliary drives on their "back" end, a DT466 has none, so you would have to belt up your air compressor, your alternator, and your power steering pump to the crank. A DT466 gets 7.6 Liters of power strokes on TWO revolutions, a 6V92 (552 CI) gets over NINE Liters on ONE revolution. THAT'S why nobody does it! G | ||
| J.M.Jannell (Joej)
Registered Member Username: Joej Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 68.28.168.227 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the input. I guess the 466 is out, and G don't do wine or whiskey just wanted some answers thats why I asked,you all saved me lots time. Thanks Joe | ||
| Tim Hoskinson (Tdh37514151)
Registered Member Username: Tdh37514151 Post Number: 263 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 98.28.100.32 Rating: N/A |
Actually the 466 IH engine runs at about the same rpm as the Detroits. HP ratings are from 2000 rpm to 2300 on both. The 671 detroit is 426 c.i. the 871 is 568 and the 692 is 552 c.i. so none of these engines were all that big cubic inch. Again the 466 was a very good engine this is just not the correct application at least in my opinion. | ||
| J.M.Jannell (Joej)
Registered Member Username: Joej Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 68.28.168.230 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Tim, I knew I wasn't too far off. Pete offered some dyno specs on both the 466 & 530. With the 530 330hp@2200 rpm 1050tq@1300. Guys with the 5.9 Cummins in their trucks get 300+ without breaking, of course 8000# vrs 35000#. thanks again for the input. | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 512 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 65.15.106.226 Rating: N/A |
You will also find that you have to do some really serious work on motor mounts. Detroit 2 strokes are so smooth that many are mounted without rubber mounts in boats. When they are replaced with 4 cycle, the owners go nuts 'cause every screw & panel vibrates & rattles. There were several threads here about the coach industry's efforts to deal with 4 cycle vibration. Between that and the accessory drives, I think you'd be worse off converting from the original engine for RV use. You'll never in your life drive enough RV miles to recover what you put into changing. | ||
| J.M.Jannell (Joej)
Registered Member Username: Joej Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 68.28.168.229 Rating: N/A |
This all may be a moot point. I found a 8v92 missing a turbo and some oil leaks been sitting for awhile, owner said was running, for a fair price. My bus is a 1960 Eagle 01 with bad/8v71 motor. Couldn't seem to find a 8v71T for a fair price running. Wanted a coach that will have enough power to pull itself and a trailer (5000-7000#)down the road at 65-70 and be able to climb a hill want 375 to 400 hp. Also need a drivers side window assy anyone got one or can find one? thanks | ||
| Dallas Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 62 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 98.20.48.103 Rating: N/A |
Tim, you also have to remember that the 2 stroke fires on every revolution, and the 4 stroke only fires every other revolution. That 426CID engine will give you the power and strength of 852CID... plus the more cast iron in the engine, the better off you will be. Heavy duty diesels not only get strength from heavier parts, but from the sheer mass of iron in the engine. | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 1052 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.184.9.29 Rating: N/A |
Tim and Dallas, I posted the displacement data on June the 21st, explaining that "the DT466 had to turn two revolutions to produce 466CI of power strokes, while the 6V92 gets over 9 liters on one revolution." G |
