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Jeff (Jeff) (68.10.0.78)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 5:50 am: | |
I'm about ready to mount water tanks on my RTS.
Where did you all, that have your fresh and waste water tanks, get them? I do not plan on doing much dry camping. So I am not looking for 100 gallon tanks. I am planning on one larger waste water tank instead of splitting them into Black & Gray water tanks. I haven't found any dedicated waste water tanks in excess of 40 gallons. Reading the different boards and my experience with previous campers, I know the tank has to be vented 'preferred' (RVIA) through the roof. Does the vent pipe HAVE to be straight vertical? My question is, can it be vented through the roof but have a few angles to it? The waste water tank will go in the old wheelchair lift area. I was wondering if the vent pipe could be routed up through the floor, and out through the old air handler roof area? I know not to have any 'traps' in the vent pipe as to possibly collect water and trap methane gas in the pipe and tank. Thoughts?
Jeff
"Take Another Road"
Rustless not Busless in Buckroe
1988 TMC RTS-06
da Bubba |
FAST FRED (67.75.101.15)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 5:57 am: | |
100gal will let you dry camp for two weeks!
if you practice.
The easiest tanks come from the rotorcast folks , and if you ask up front many sizes up to 50G can be UPS'ed instead of much more expensive truck freight.
Duracast in Lake Wales FL will sell you fine tanks and install whatever fittings you need , to your sketch, inexpensivly.
The vent line should be 2 inch and as straight as you can thru the roof.
45 angles UP dont seem to matter but 2 MAX!
Use Dupree valves to controll the waste discharge , a stinky thing to need to fix , so first class ($$$$) is worth it!
FAST FRED |
Nick Russell (66.82.9.12)
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Jeff,
Call Trina or John at RV Surplus Salvage in Elkhart, Indiana 219-264-5574. They have lots of tanks in different sizes. Website is www.rvsurplussalvage.com |
dougthebonifiedbusnut (136.217.0.198)
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Hey Guys
Just got a hot tip from an old plumber in my unit. There is a typeof vent that has been used for some time now on renovations where it is impossible to run a vent up through the roof> It is a non mechanical vent(no idea how it works) but you just install it in the wall higher than the higest fixture.No going through the roof. ITs called a "Sterdovent".He sais you can buy them at plumbing supply houses, just tell them your no5t using them in the house as you ould expect the plumbing inspectors hate them. The same way they hated the plastic pipe when it first vcame out. Sure is going to save me a lot of work and no holein the roof. Check it out. |
two dogs (67.30.23.39)
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yes...I think it's the kind that has a little ball that floats when you flush...think they been useing them on travel trailers...I hate holes in the roof!! |
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (208.186.36.155)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 1:34 pm: | |
That overcomes the need for a vent at each vanity or kitchen sink, but you will need one of these vents at each.
The roof vent you still need is one from the actual black and grey tanks. These tanks produce the gases which need to be exhausted. You can combine the two vents into one and then up through the roof.
The mechanical vents, also fitted to mobile homes alot, only allow the water to drain by burping the drain pipes when you pull the plug in the vanity. They allow air into the pipe, the tank side of the P trap, not air out.
Personally I can't see a problem with a roof vent. One has skylights, extractor vents, fridge chimneys, a/c units, etc, etc up there. What is wrong with a tiny 2" pipe as well?
Peter. |
John Noonan (Silvereagle) (24.161.204.161)
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My combined grey and black tank vent (2") goes up the rear corner of the fridge encloser and ends under the fridge chimney cap. |
Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa) (171.75.99.194)
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Let me get this straight John, you are venting your explosive sewer gasses under the rain hood where your propane fired fridge chimney is? |
Jim Stacy (12.87.109.87)
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Works great too. Mine's been there for 5 years.
Jim Stacy |
John Noonan (Silvereagle) (24.161.204.161)
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Thats the way it was built and has been working for 10 years that way. |
douhthebonifiedbusnut (136.217.0.198)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 10:46 am: | |
Hey Pete,
Thats what I like about this board you get all excited about something and than someone reminds you about something you have forgotten.The expanding gasses from the tank.Mine is going to be a combined gray and blank(dont try to talk me out of this Pete) but your right I will have to vent the tank and I guess il have to go through the roof. Although John sure seems to have a convincing argument.I might have to talk John some more |
Rodger Manecke (Rodger) (64.70.24.54)
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I've used mechanical vents (V200)in 1st floor baths and kitchens when restoring old 2 story homes originally built with no indoor plumbing. They work fine.
My Prevost Champ's (1993 conversion) waste tank is vented via a 3/4" pvc pipe, routed out the top of the tank, 90'd across the top, down the side and through the bay floor into a tee fitting in line with the longitudinal axis of the bus. I'm aware this flies in the face common opinion on proper venting and possibly violates some RV codes. But, in several years, I've experienced narry an odor problem, except an occasional odiferous whiff when doing a post dump rinse out.
Lack of problems with this arrangement decided me that rerouting the vent through the roof, which I'd have done had I designed the conversion, was not worth the trouble or expense.
Just an opinion.
Rodger |
Peter E (Sdibaja) (200.76.240.28)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 1:41 pm: | |
Separate gray and black tanks give you the option of dumping the gray water on the ground if you are in a bind.
I have had to do this a few times with a 20 gallon gray tank because we took too many showers and had to wash a dog that got in a diesel spill.
If you use small tanks this is very important. I plan to go to at least 50 gallons of gray.
20 gallons of black is no problem at all.
Peter E, 4905 |
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (208.186.36.155)
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I don't think I would vent my tanks under the rain hood of the fridge, especially if I used a gas flame. Relying upon the heat from that flame to keep the possibly explosives gases up and away is not a good idea to me.
I will run my vent up some convenient corner, through the back of a cabinet etc. Or just panel across the corner with a piece of matching wall board.
Peter. |
two dogs (67.30.23.83)
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For my wastewater tank,I'm useing 55 gallon plasic barrel.....cost 5.00 |
edwin b (209.240.198.60)
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Mine is up the frig cut out on the roof of my 04, but I cut a 2 inch hole in the vent cover for my vent pipe, sealed it, so the exhaust bypasses the exhuast of the frig to the open air. Has been working for 7 years with no problems. The water form rain is very small, 2 inch hole, and just goes back to tanks.
edwin b |
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (208.186.36.63)
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Two dogs,
Do you have the standard dimensions of a 55 gal plastic barrel?
Peter. |
two dogs (67.30.23.65)
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I posted it the last time we had this conversation...I think it was 22" dia. & 36" tall, of course,this only works laying down |
madbrit (208.186.36.63)
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Thanks,
I must have missed that post.
Peter. |