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| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 259 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.59  Rating: N/A |
Look closely at the right end of this unit... see the power take-off shaft or it's safety housing?  That 4 inch extension is causing me some problems mounting my Genny in the bay. I asked a few people what it COULD be used for & an auto A/C unit was suggested as was a hydraulic pump for leveling the bus. I'd REALLY like to whack that stub off and complete the install as I had originally planed..... but frankly, I'm not positive that a PTO wouldn't be useful down the road. SO... When in doubt, hang it on the Board for the rail birds to squawk about..! Can anyone see a viable use for the PTO or is it just a worthless little appendage that I'll never miss...? | ||
| Bruce (Bgs4104)
Registered Member Username: Bgs4104 Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.209.220.241 Rating: N/A |
I have seen air compressor install on the end for use in service truck. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 260 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.210 Rating: N/A |
Which actually would be useful & it could be "unbelted" when not needed...AND I have a spare single stage 2-cyl head that would work... Pretty good for openers Bruce! | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1214 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 67.142.130.43  Rating: N/A |
Jack, I would be careful here. For one thing, unless the governor is set up to compensate for it, putting any kind of extra load on the tailshaft could adversely affect the generator output; at minimum, you could see frequency drop from 60Hz to something lower, and possibly the voltage as well. The other issue is that, unless I am not seeing this right, this shaft actually protrudes from the generator head rather than the engine crank. Before putting any kind of side-load on this such as a pulley and belt, you need to be certain the end bearing in the head is made to take that load. You could check your manual or consult with Onan to find out. FWIW. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1228 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 173.202.45.49  Rating: N/A |
This looks just like the shaky, noisy, 500lb+ monster (without the stub shaft) I removed from my bus because it drove me crazy! The exhaust system heat is also unreal! I never could find points for it either. Changing to electronic ignition seems to be the favorite method of solving that problem. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 137 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159  Rating: N/A |
Jack; How about a pressure washer pump which could also be belt driven. Dave | ||
| Ralph Peters (Ralph7)
Registered Member Username: Ralph7 Post Number: 164 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 75.200.89.13 Rating: N/A |
Gus, points from Cummins/Onan were $20.00 plus shipping, cond. $10.00 plus shipping. Like you I pulled my 5kw Onan, cause it would not hold 60hz. replaced it with a 3000si Honda. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 261 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.4 Rating: N/A |
* Sean... I gave that aspect a dollars worth consideration, being a DF, that was all I could muster before my knowledge & experience ran out of draft. Here's what I know for sure, this unit was built to Mountain Bell spec's for remote location B/U at relay facilities (Mtn.tops). The Tech said they were test run for 10-15 mins. once a month & for 90% of these units, that accumulated test run time was all that was on them, they were automatically rotated out of service at the 6 yr. point. secret:...it happens to be the 3rd biggest expenditure in this project, got it for 30% of new. The Tech said he often wondered why it was ordered that way, they never had a use for it either. He did mention that they may have had an alternate use somewhere else in the system unrelated to the type of facility common to the SW & his service area, & piggy backed the specs for both. . . Oh, it had almost 200 hr's on it. (and , just between you and me, this who thread was just a troll to suck you into providing a mirror in which to project my conclusion & see if the reflection was accurate..... now I'm really worried..... about YOU, agreement with radicals (me) results in tangents... you might want to do a 10 point reality check when you fuel up. ...and stay away from Martinez...he's a virus I tell you! mouse milk and all. * Gus.... It's closer to 175#'s because i can still wrangle it into/out of/on/off/up & down any place I needed to park it. At my size leverage & balance are considerations long before lifting becomes an option admittedly but I can dead lift it at least a foot, high enough to get it on a 2 wheeled doily & then tip it up & drag it across the walnut sized stones that grace the lot where the Bus moored. Exhaust...Plan A ..Have the manifold glass beaded & ceramic coated along with thier new connecting tube AND the short length of flex tube which will connect to the new & larger muffler. (it NEEDS to be coated as well but I'm on the fence over it....$) and then the outlet, under & 3 ft back from the bay door. Exhaust wise, I'm duplicating something that worked impressively quiet, back in the day. Ceramic & wrap will give me a leg up on the "old system" I'm modeling on, as will the intake/ cooling air sound baffles & filtration/splash arrestor's in the lower & side open areas. Experimental yes, logical yes, expensive NO, functional? time will tell. Plan B--- what ever I run across that works better, costs nothing & is easy to install or far better at some aspect than it is intended to be presently... in other words...PUNT! Points... potential home for that Pertronix system that I refuse to use on my priceless American classic/historic/SPO daily driver? Maybe...doubt it tho. Thanks for the heads up, when I can find some points, I'll buy a bag of 'em, this is going to be like owning a Triumph or a B'ser, only it's points instead of spark plugs! * DAVE, Dave , Dave..... always the thorn in the crotch of the union-suit. I was cruisin along, already got the cutting wheel chucked in the grinder, just-a-waitin for a consensus here !! WHACK !!...and it's done with... Sean's right... drag that motor down with another drain on the crank & I'm asking for a learning experience thru the pocket... not good for little grasshoppers. Now I COULD retain the shaft and use it for ANYTHING I dam well please just as long as I don't expect 1 watt of power or greater than governor speed... AND a pressure washer is just as useful as an Aux Air Compressor. But the truth is, I'm one of those clowns who think pressure washing is just a poor mans steam cleaning. * Ralph.. I got no buddies in the Genny Biz, I'm a naked Rube waitin to be "treated right" and $20 a shot is expensive whiskey when you're used to Shine. BUT.. I am a local Boy, which means I pay a different price than I would if I rolled into their parking lot in a "Corvette" with say VERMONT plates & said, "Howdy! can you fix this?" while wearing say a Pelosi T-Shirt.... . . just sayin..... I mean, we see a lot of "stuff" headed for "Caly-Fore!!-Knee-Ya? or Naw-Vaw-Duh ! (what is it with people always puttin the emph-a-SAS, on the wrong Sill-ALL-uh-bell anyway?) & the locals feel a need to send them on their way, slimmer, ya that's it, slimmer than when they arrived AND with a story to tell all of them rich "Back-Easter" friends they surely have. You wouldn't believe what the City does to those SnoBirds who like to play golf here in Jan. You learn to play in the "assumed" position after you've assumed the position when you paid for a round on a Municipal course. You need 7 of God's best friends as co-signers to play a joint like Westward Look... & then you run the risk of rabid Coyotes. So that means I'm not sold on a AC or an A/C or a P/W.. and having the potential of having ALL 3 possible together...? Still not enough to counter the value of extra cooling air space I'll gain IF I just whack it off. ALL good ideas tossed on the table though, and at least Martinez hasn't chimed in and offered some mouse-milking machine proposal. I get the feeling that unless there is a hail mary pass from some Einstein in the weeds... the PTO 's hours are numbered.... WEASLE option..... compromise Whackin 2-3/4 inches off, leaving a working stub for a single sheave ( that I won't have room for anyway w/o moving the Genny) platform) That way i'm covered for potential uses & have the space I want for air passage... BUT I'm still open to better logic, more experience or a potential use that's still off the table. there are fish in the fryer that need to come out before this one goes in. Onan Genny's.. They WERE made in Mini-Soda- ya-sure-you-betcha back when I was still addicted to shoveling snow as a distraction from the cabin fever/no sun existence I enjoyed there. I had a lot of acquaintances & friends who were employed with them. They were a first rate operation then, good to their people, good reliable products and they stood behind their work. .....and gas was a buck. I have my fingers crossed.... everything's a 50/50 crap shoot anyway... I't like the old Butcher used to say... . . . You do the best you can with the fingers you have left and don't worry about who swallows your mistakes no one will ever notice anyway... .. . . The following announcement is brought to you by our Host, Ian, who feels it is desirable, necessary & informative to tell you that I din't use my spoll chacker and that I consistently make #@%ing grammatical errors.... and now, take it away IAN...!! (Message edited by Jack Fids on December 05, 2010) | ||
| ED Hackenbruch (Shadowman)
Registered Member Username: Shadowman Post Number: 340 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.97.114.5 Rating: N/A |
Can't tell from the photo, but is there enough room around the end of the shaft that you could mount a fan to cool the unit? ......waiting now to see if i am an Einstein in the weeds with a hail mary pass or just the usual dumbass. :>) | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1948 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.91.146.239  Rating: N/A |
EH! happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 529 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.46.196.121  Rating: N/A |
Dammit, used up all my coffee time de-sigh-FER-en this post. I had to use grease to slide a Jennie into the Silversides, no room for rollers. And speaking of rollers, we use them for everything! Boilers, oil tanks, radiators anything 2 people should not be lifting. We always have 3-4 lenghts of 1 1/2 and 2" pcv in the back of the trucks with 2 ramp boards. Save that back! Good luck with the gennie. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 215 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 65.3.251.141  Rating: N/A |
Way to much ammunition about useless 4 inch appendages. so sorry man. | ||
| les marston (Les_marston)
Registered Member Username: Les_marston Post Number: 186 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.151.225.213  Rating: N/A |
Oh for gods sake cut the durn thing off Jack,,, you know ya wanna. Then find out that it isn't a PTO but part of a vibration dampener | ||
| Dallas Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 179 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 72.172.36.62  Rating: N/A |
George, 4" whole inches of appendage? . . . Are you some kind of Super Human or Sumpin'? | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 220 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 65.3.251.141 Rating: N/A |
UHHH...What???....  | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1229 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 72.161.174.101 Rating: N/A |
Ralph, At the time I didn't know Cummins had taken over Onan, this was a few years ago. I replaced it with a nice 6KW liquid cooled, gas Honda. Quiet and vibration free - no comparison. Jack, My Onan was a 3ph 7.5KW model changed to a 1ph 5,5KW. Can't tell too much from your photo but it looks the same to me. It required a separate starting battery because the flywheel has a built-in 1.5 amp alternator to automatically charge the battery. If you hook it into the bus battery it will foul up the bus alternator regulator. Been there!! Both the engine pistons move together and fire at the same time?? Strangest thing I ever saw and probably the reason for so much shaking. I didn't figure this out until I noticed the distributor cam only had one lobe! Don't let those rubber cushions fool you, this thing will shake your whole bus! This thing is made for concrete pad mounting, not the flexible metal of a bus. I'm a pretty old wimpy guy so I had to use an engine hoist to remove it and it bent the 1000lb rated cart I used to move it! Some more free advice, no charge! Wrap that exhaust system with at least two layers of EHP wet blanket insulation. I cut mine into strips to make it easier. Ceramic coating may do it but I doubt it. This thing puts out the HEAT! Don't forget I warned you!! You must be a philosopher or a journalist!! (Message edited by gusc on December 05, 2010) | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1215 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 72.171.0.146 Rating: N/A |
"Both the engine pistons move together and fire at the same time?? Strangest thing I ever saw and probably the reason for so much shaking. I didn't figure this out until I noticed the distributor cam only had one lobe!" I am guessing it actually had two coils. This is also very commonly done on two-cylinder opposed-twin or inline-four motorcycles; both plugs (or each of two sets) fire at the same time, but one cylinder is on the power stroke and the other is on exhaust. The plug in the exhausting cylinder is firing harmlessly (and needlessly), but it simplifies the ignition system (no distributor, just a cam and points in the old style systems, or a CDI pickup in newer ones). Just guessing, of course, since I haven't looked at your particular setup. In opposed (boxer) twins, BTW, the pistons always move together, as it is the most balanced configuration. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1435 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.224.145.39  Rating: N/A |
Experience...always the best teacher!....(I think)! Thanx Gus...thanx Sean, et al. RCB | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 574 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 65.15.196.131  Rating: N/A |
Jack, I was going to suggest that you cut off enough to get the genset in the bay but leave enough to put a sheave on. But if it was me, I'd think real hard about pulling the cover and maybe the rear end bell off enough to see if the PTO shaft can be unbolted. I have seen some of these shafts that were removable. If it's NOT removable, then you aren't going to hurt it by driving a 1-2hp compressor from up close to the bearing. Especially if you just belt it on for emergency. If you have a partial load, the genset engine might well run both the compressor and some electrical output but on gensets it's normal to shut off the electrical load when running a PTO. The normal genset is designed so the engine will stall before the gen end burns so it won't have any extra HP available. That compressor likely will need 2hp (about 3KW) to run. | ||
| Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
Registered Member Username: Barn_owl Post Number: 672 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 72.66.185.66  Rating: N/A |
What did the manufacture say it was used for? | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 264 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.221 Rating: N/A |
Input!!! ....cool... last to first Barn Owl, best answer I can give was for relay towers. Jim...I agree with you and I occupy the territory you've outlined, most of the shaft is soon to be history...no lookin back. The PTO shaft IS also the crankshaft so I'm up a creek or painted into a corner. Sean... Single coil & twin cylinder...like 1/3rd of a Corvair motor. Gus.... I'm lucky...go back & looat the pic at the top of the page... in the lower left corner there's a string of Vibration dampeners, them puppies are going in, between the platform & the frame. They're rated at 200 lb's max each & I'm using 4 . And I have my fingers crossed that I don't have vibration or sound that's beyond reasonable. I'm a master of heat control so that's in the bag I expect. I crave free advice Gus and yours is always welcome .... and expected! I'm faking this whole deal based on opportunity/sweat equity/a dimes worth of knowledge & experience & more help from the O.E.M. than I can comprehend. And just like everyone here, including Mr. Palace on wheels, I don't want to hang myself out to dry on a bad decision based on deduction rather than experience. You're Ok with me Gus...no matter what they say.... David... I make an effort to control what seems to be cryptic to others, it's just that my thinkin brain isn't connected to my fingers, they have their own mind... Mostly I just sit in the back seat and read what their typing if I ain't listening to the ray-Dee-Oh! Coffee fuels the whole distraction, but I'm a Wuss, it's only half coffee & half water..... it keeps the pipes awake & the bathroom light active if nothing else. BusWarrior... Well, YA...!!! SHADOWMAN..... Did I ever tell you I made films for SHADOW Racing..? The fan deal... there's already a fan behind the screen that surrounds the PTO. I'm as dumb as a thumb when it comes to compounding a single fan with another. It can be done Im sure, I'm even sure there's someone here who could do the math & comes up with the size, pitch & CFM numbers. Me...I don't know what a whole mess of 9's add up to. But I know you weren't headed in that direction anyway. I did actually consider an enclosed blower that exited above the Genny for cooling before I realized that was like the starter motor/Generator conundrum ...it uses more power than it can cool... see...I'm not the Einstein in the weeds! I think we're both spectators... have you seen the beer vendor anywhere? Well I have to say that it looks like there going to be a circumcision..... Maybe I should hold a Genny Bris...? Eich...what a Mashugana !! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mashugana&defid=1260058 I don't see any weeds rustlin in the wind... maybe Einstein's on a coffee break or fuelin up.... . . . Maybe his Volvo is frozen up on the side of the road.. maybe (Message edited by Jack Fids on December 06, 2010) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 227 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
GGGGRRRRRRRR | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1231 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 74.142.162.24 Rating: N/A |
Sean, It's been a few years but, as I remember, the pistons travel together and are side by side, no opposed cyl. I'm really trying to forget that monster but people keep trying to resurrect them!! Jack, You're OK too, I like your style!! After you do this project you will be well experienced! I'm very much looking forward to your completion report! However, mine had those monster rubber cushions also. It allowed all that mass to move in every direction and shake 24000 lbs of bus! Since yours seems to be much lighter maybe it won't shake your bus so much - maybe! | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 231 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
Jack Buddy why do you insist on torture, first you own Corvairs and now another engineering fiasco to shake your bus to pieces. | ||
| Dallas Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 191 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 72.172.36.62 Rating: N/A |
George, First it's Corvairs and now it's Fiascos! Would they happen to be the venerable 1968 Fiasco Bris? Or maybe the 1956 Fiasco Damifino? | ||
| Tom Christman (Tchristman)
Registered Member Username: Tchristman Post Number: 269 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.218.33.156 Rating: N/A |
The PTO shaft on the Onan Commercial is made for the telephone and utilities company to power a hydraulic pump to power the man lift. I had a 6.5 Onan Commercial Emerald with the PTO shaft to power an A/C compressor for the air conditioning in my sleeper. Worked incredibly well. Had the compressor only running at 1,000rpm-so it lasted well past the first generators 12,000 hours. You can run anything you want up to 100% of the power of the engine-which is typically about 14hp. Good Luck, TomC | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 232 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
Dallas Buddy please do expand further, my knowledge of fiascos is limited to motorcycles | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 641 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 70.60.102.56  Rating: N/A |
Gus, a lot of the early Honda twin motorcycles ("vertical parallel twins") had only one set of points and fired a waste spark on the exhaust cylinder, too. As a matter of fact, many of the early Honda 4's had two points, coils, etc. and had two cylinders set up in pairs. And those early twins especially would shake like a dachshund passing peach pits. So, you very well could have had a "parallel" twin engine (cylinders side by side, pistons moving together) with only one set of points -- and a lot of rockin and rollin! | ||
| Dallas Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 193 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 72.172.36.62 Rating: N/A |
Or maybe Fiasco was one of them weird artists! | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 268 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.129 Rating: N/A |
MR. Tom C... Have a look in the mirror for me will you? I want to know how much your visage resembles Albert E.'s You seem to have some accuracy and experience with beasts like mine.... .too bad you don't have the experience and desire to deal with other problems, like GMFooHorse effectively . Dallas.. Fiasco....isn't that the firm that GMFoohorse used to run? First Investments & Securities COmpany...FIASCO? I think that was the firm that specialized in handling the money of old grandma's & little girls. Wasn't that the company that was indicted for spending the investor cash on chew toys & fancy collars for Dachshunds.....? After the RAID wasn't the name changed to PITA Financial..? **Dachshund- a short legged, long nosed canine. The name "dachshund" is of German origin and literally means "badger dog". The dachshund is the only certifiable breed of dog to hunt both above and below ground. They often appear to be identical in appearance & performance to a man named George Martinez, who himself "Badgers" people needlessly concerning a burned out worthless former Greyhound Bus. Although both can appear to be vicious they are in fact all bark & no bite.... in other words....a no go -all show dog! of course I could be mistaken.... I was once before...... just sayin... Gus & Bruce..... In my short time on this satellite of the Sun, I've never laid eyeballs on a twin cyl, engine that didn't stagger fire! I did run across a Lancia Square 4-Cyl once... all 4 cylinders were bored into a sq.pc. of Aluminum about 12 inches on every dimension....a 2 + 2 arraignment. Having never owned a METRIC WRENCH, & wanting to remain a Virgin... ( and thus make the O.E.M. proud of me, because as we Americans ALL KNOW, the metric system is a tool of the DEVIL!!!!!!!!) I threw the guy & his car out the door, my abilities to tolerate Italian Jokes has always been on par with my desire to own a Volvo....or a burned out 4905. ......oh and George, your ditch is almost complete, you'll be able to park your "coach" in such a way so as not to embarrass those of us who took pity on your situation , no one will be able to see it (or you) from the road. Note to Nellie.... Not Irish..SCOTCH..!! you know, the ones who make the whiskey that keeps the Irish, well Irish! | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 643 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 70.60.102.56 Rating: N/A |
Jack, the parallel twins *usually* stagger fire but the spark plug spark X degrees before TDC on both power and exhaust strokes. I say usually because there was an NSU that had a common cylinder head -- in this case, it fired on "both cylinders" at the same time (but on the other hand, it was a two-stroke). We called them a "twingle". | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 278 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.173 Rating: N/A |
VALIDATION for not owning metric spanners Thanks! The more I live the less I realize I know give me 20 yrs. & I'll be able to relate to Foohorse at his level In a box of rocks he is the only one floating | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 199 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 72.172.36.62 Rating: N/A |
Jack, depending on your diet, Some of them float... Some Don't. Let us all 'member the rotary engine with two rotors along with leading/trailing spark plugs. Three lobes per rotor, two spark plugs per lobe. Then there is my Kawasaki engine in my little JD lawn tractor, two coils, two plugs, two cylinders... both coils fire at the same time. The problem there is that if one plug gets a broken ceramic, the engine will not start because both coils are shorted to ground. (Ask me how I know this). 1948 Seagrave Fire Engine... Packard Straight 8 engine, Two Distributors, 32 spark plugs. Worked great, one as a main distributor, one as a backup..... Except when some dummy grounds out the points on one end and the other end is automatically grounded. Again, No Start! The dummy was me in the wilds of Canada, bringing back said fire truck from Adak, Alaska in 1978. Mack Maxidyne with the gasoline conversion. A spark plug on each side of the head. When one didn't fire, there wasn't enough heat generated to fire the whole cylinder, It would run ragged until the engine got warm, but fuel mileage sucked until you found the plug that was messed up. I love my Detroit! | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 238 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
Jack Jack Jack. tsk tsk. Your writhing lashing fits and attempts at belittling one of the greatest hound breeds ever points to the fact that I must get there as soon as possible, your cure/exorcism will begin with taking you on a long ride in the Volvo with Swedish folk songs on the stereo in continuous loop mode. I have plenty of duct tape to restrain/secure you for your own safety. after that while still taped, you will be laid to rest on a LOW mat where 4 of my assistants will pile on and around you, their heavenly auras will suck out the remaining Corvair demons that may have remained after the cleansing Volvo ride. after that you will thank me for the clarity and peace that will surround you. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 239 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
I am bringing B.S.whitworth and metric spanners to spread all over the place. this to will help you | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 279 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.95 Rating: N/A |
We'll see how well you do this when you can fry eggs on a rock in the sun at 7-AM on a cloudy day..... if you last the 3 months until it gets seriously hot.... | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 242 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
I will bring my sunscreen and favourite beach towel | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 285 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.177 Rating: N/A |
You KNOW of course shooting beached whales is legal in Arizona I singlehandedly spearheaded the legislation that stopped Penguin hunting here long ago! | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1393 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.61  Rating: N/A |
Come to Florida , its warm (sometimes) and we have great tips for cooking for Manatee . Easy to catch in cool waters. FF | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 245 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.215.72.106 Rating: N/A |
(BEACHED WHALE).......shrimp kabob, the duct taping should be rather easy. and perhaps even enjoyable. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 330 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.161.139 Rating: N/A |
Ladies & Gentlemen I still stand behind my statement... In a box of rocks he is the only one floating. |