| Author | Message | ||
| Steven Foster (57_gmc)
Registered Member Username: 57_gmc Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 72.156.216.251  Rating: N/A |
Well after getting my engine back in bus. Now the throttle cable looked to give it up. Cant hardly move it now. Where do you go to get a new one ?? Thanks Steve | ||
| Brandon Merritt (Brando4905)
Registered Member Username: Brando4905 Post Number: 35 Registered: 3-2009 Posted From: 68.115.141.166  Rating: |
Steve, Down towards the middle of this thread is some good info on the 04 throttle cable, maybe able to fix the one you have? http://www.busnut.com/bbs/messages/11/33201.html Brandon | ||
| Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
Registered Member Username: Bill_gerrie Post Number: 433 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.198.139.38  Rating: N/A |
Steven Why not change to an air throttle now. So easy to operate. Somebody might have one or try Luke at US Coach. Bill | ||
| Mel La Plante (Mel_4104)
Registered Member Username: Mel_4104 Post Number: 149 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 173.180.126.136 Rating: N/A |
Steve, as Bill stated now is the time to change to the air throttle. when the one in my 4104 started giving me trouble i was lucky enough to have some one tee me about the air throttles and how easy they are to put in. how ever they have some differances , they need at least 5 # of air to operate which means you have a slight delay at start up before you can rev the engine,also they have a different feel of engine control. now the GOOD side once you have it installed you never have grease that cable again, no more wore or fraid cable to seize at high rpm or at very low rpm. i have had mine in for over 15 years and have helped replace over 10 others and everyone likes them.just call 1-250-248-2766 and i will explain more mel 4104 | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 480 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Mel Are you not in Tucson now? | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1445 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.162.18  Rating: N/A |
DA Book shows the simple procedure to remove and service the cable. We used PB Blaster to fill the tubing and then a shot of air to remove any old hard grease. Todays teflon marine grease is good to -50F ,(hard to start a DD even with a block heater at -50F)so the job is a simple one shot deal. Air throttles are for the automatic equipped busses , they make shifting a stick a bit Iffy. FF | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250  Rating: N/A |
Hey Guys I was thinking of putting air thort. in my flx??? But has any one out there tried Morse push pull cables Or other brands of same??? Curosety is killing me JIM | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250 Rating: N/A |
Hey guys has any one ever tried Morse or other brands of push pull cables For throttle or any thing else | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 680 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 66.248.164.225  Rating: N/A |
I bought a used air "throttle" from NIMCO; I was a little concerned because some people had said that it was "slow" or "jerky". No, not at all -- very smooth and easy working. Couldn't ask for any better. | ||
| Justin Griffith (Justin25taylor)
Registered Member Username: Justin25taylor Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 99.41.68.160 Rating: N/A |
Jim, I have a "morse" cable in my 05 Eagle. That bus has tons of miles on it and almost every part of the original linkage was worn out. I will ask my friend who installed it several years ago if he remembers any specifics. Justin | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 595 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 66.239.205.41  Rating: N/A |
A few years ago you could order the inner cable from Mowhawk Supply. When the original cable is in place, clean & lubed, it is just about perfect with one light spring. By the way, the speed at which the engine returns to idle affects the speed of your upshift. I have driven air throttle & cable & prefer the feel of the cable when you need to upshift or downshift at other than the exact shift points. The air throttle is "mushy" in my opinion. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1446 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.81 Rating: N/A |
I installed a replacement inner from LUKE at US Coach. Be careful to save the two end fittings. 888Coach34 FF | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 589 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.165.176.62  Rating: N/A |
Jim, You may not have looked but if you Flx is stock it is all rod no cable on the throttle and the clutch. For the life of me I can't think of any reason I would want to change just keep all the pillow blocks and bellcranks lubed and there isn't much to go wrong | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 35 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250 Rating: N/A |
Tim more bad news. They are all gone Bye Bye with all the other RUST!!!!!! So i have to go to some thing else. My first thought was air but was wondering if any one had tried morse cables??? SEEMS THAT WOULD BE MAINT FREE???????JIM | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250 Rating: N/A |
Besides TIM everybody forgot to tell the previous owners of my bus that you can buy grease guns at auto supply. And those little tips around the bus will accept greese. OOOOH well you pays your money and takes chances...JIM | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1448 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.16 Rating: N/A |
A Morse cable will work, they come in a variety of duty uses , the larger 43? series is heavier duty than the outboard style 33 series. In severe cold (below 0F ) it may take a heavier return spring. Water intrusion is the usual demise , get the rubber end seals. Movement range about 3 inches. FF | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 590 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 99.122.63.218 Rating: N/A |
I have used Morse for years on boats. If I remember correctly the red supreme is there top of the line as far as kink resistance and longevity. I have the factory lube chart showing all the grease points and types. I'll see if I can find a way to duplicate it as it's kind of large...it folds out like a road map (Message edited by timb on February 21, 2011) | ||
| Mel La Plante (Mel_4104)
Registered Member Username: Mel_4104 Post Number: 150 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 173.180.126.136 Rating: N/A |
Steve did you find a fix for your throttle? if not i will go out to the shop and see if there are any cables there was a bunch in the scrap and maybe one hanging on the wall, it was put there so when we walked by and seen it we could remember the pain in the ### they are but if you want it i will send it to you'. with the air throttle the days of stiff sore leg caused by the old cable type are over. no more having to pull cables, blow out tubes, clean dirty grease of the cable, clean up the mess, regrease ,put back in fight again to get the ends on,clean up the mess again and your cloths. NOW AS FF said you have to remember is to care a heaver spring to use when the weather gets cold and the cable wants to stick at low or high throttle. these cables are like a bad mother in-law you can cuss and swear at them but when they have been replaced you can sit back and enjoy life no leg pain. so having said this let me know if yow want it. mel 4104 1 250 248 2766 | ||
| Steven Foster (57_gmc)
Registered Member Username: 57_gmc Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 72.156.216.251 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for all the help!!! We talked to Luke in NJ and he had all the parts we needed.. We got them on the other day and the throttle is working great!!!! We going to road test the new engine and all the other stuff we did today.. Thanks for the help by all and Luke if you read this thanks for all the help !!! Steve | ||
| Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
Registered Member Username: Bill_gerrie Post Number: 442 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.198.139.38 Rating: N/A |
Luke to the rescue again. What would us busnuts with our antique coaches do without good old Luke. | ||
| Steven Foster (57_gmc)
Registered Member Username: 57_gmc Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 72.156.216.251 Rating: N/A |
You got that right Bill!!! When I had the cable problem turned out to be the outer back in the engine. They must have hit it or something and it would not work. My guy called Luke and Luke got him on right track and had all the parts and send to him. When they installed it, it worked great. I test drove the bus today with new engine overhaul and man do I have more power now. We are working on all the wheels bearings and brakes now. Cant wait to get on the road and do some shows. Thanks Steve | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1263 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 173.202.43.12  Rating: N/A |
Speaking of Luke, I owe him an apology. I posted recently and said he was at IBP!! Now everybody knows better than that! I apologize Luke!! | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1257 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 69.69.20.25  Rating: N/A |
GUs GUS GUS!! 50 lashes witha wet noodle Shame on you LOL Steve is at IBP>.. Gomer | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 1265 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 173.202.47.207 Rating: |
I know all that but I completely blame it on a senior moment. You young whippersnappers have that to look forward to and it ain't fun!! | ||
| KW (Ft6)
Registered Member Username: Ft6 Post Number: 128 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 75.211.183.146 Rating: N/A |
I had a 4903, swapped the original cable out and put in a Teleflex Extreme cable. Two, actually, one from the pedal to about halfway back, the other from the engine to halfway up, joined them in the middle. Smooth as glass, full POSITIVE control, no maintenance ever, and the pedal would come back up as fast as you could lift your foot (or slam up with a thump if you dropped your foot off of it). The two cables together cost about $100. |
