| Author | Message | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215  Rating: N/A |
Guys, I'm now taking on the air filter system...I want to convert to a dry filter and need some information on what is needed to do this...specifics like actual part #'s would be great. Same housing? what filter to use, etc. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1060 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: N/A |
Check out the ECO air system your DD will kiss you comes with the housing made by Donaldson and others find the size online and can be bought at NAPA tell us what engine and we can tell you what cfm are needed (Message edited by luvrbus on March 09, 2011) | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215 Rating: N/A |
8v71 1975 mci-8 | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1061 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: N/A |
900 to 1000 cfm | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215 Rating: N/A |
not sure if your asking me...I'm not sure. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1062 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: N/A |
CFM needed for your engine sorry good luck (Message edited by luvrbus on March 09, 2011) | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215 Rating: N/A |
I believe I saw a chart and the 900-1000 range is acceptable. | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215 Rating: N/A |
do you have a part # from Donaldson? I couldn't find their ECO product line on their website. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1063 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: N/A |
google ECO air filters | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215 Rating: N/A |
too many options in goolge...anyone else that has converted from wet to dry system? | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1064 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: N/A |
I never can make a link work but it is the first that pops up for me also try Parker and Racor air filters | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1267 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 69.69.20.25  Rating: N/A |
Go in a NAPA store and look with their rep and see what is available and then you can see who,what,and where it works. Saves a lot of time. Gomer | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 590 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245  Rating: |
Gomer "SAVES" lots of time.... he never winds his watch! Good MORNING GOMER! want a dry filter? try sand !  | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.54.2 Rating: N/A |
took approximately 35 seconds to coax this out of Google... http://www.donaldson.com/en/engine/support/datalibrary/000622.pdf I need one too, so I am saving this link! Brian | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 199.59.33.127 Rating: N/A |
Brian, I also eventually found that link but I'm not sure which one is the "one" i need. The ECO-SM looks similar, but it's missing a small outlet...about 1 1/2"...hmmm! | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.54.2 Rating: N/A |
I was thinking I would probably use the P527586. what is the small outlet for? Air compressor? I was thinking a separate filter or a tee off the hose to the turbo. Brian | ||
| latvia-69 (Latvia69)
Registered Member Username: Latvia69 Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 97.104.218.18 Rating: |
what does what you posted have anything to do with the subject?thats chat room stuff, why not offer something constructive mr. f | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 593 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
What does your post have to do with the subject? Complaints are NOT technical bus talk either, so 40% of your material is out of bounds by YOUR own estimation. Sorry I don't live up to the standard you expect, that even you cannot abide by...! Ian's rules are simple Drop in and ask a question, express an opinion, connect a viewer to your preferred product. But please, no commercial advertising. I can lease you a sense of humor tho...! IF you can afford the space... (Message edited by Jack_fids on March 09, 2011) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 401 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.211.128.245  Rating: N/A |
What is the benefit of doing away with the oil bath filter?, a minor gain in air flow that is soon lost as the filter becomes loaded and most of the time ignored by owners, I'd rather have the consistent miner restriction of the oil bath set up. Marvin don't you use a sundial? no winding required, Hey Goulash # thuppppppp!!!!  | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 236 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.210.161.2  Rating: N/A |
Jack/Gomer Jack/ Gomer want a dry filter? try sand? BTW You can C & P it,LOL On our Saudi Bus there was lots in the filter at 1 time when it was shipped back, eh! Jerry "Wix 42126" will fit in your regular housing and call Luke for the inside attaching pieces plus the bottom rubber dust cup. I have 3 on my 6V71. You will need 4 with your 8V unless they have bee changed already. Thats why they are saying go to the one filter and housing, you will get more room and they run cleaner. Chromie (Message edited by chrome_dome on March 09, 2011) (Message edited by chrome_dome on March 09, 2011) | ||
| latvia-69 (Latvia69)
Registered Member Username: Latvia69 Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 97.104.218.18 Rating: |
i think george is correct in his evaluation about keeping what already works.ive had one and didnt like cleaning it.but have collapsed an element filter and wished i had the old system. its all personal preference. speaking of preference i prefer following the guidelines at the beginning of this bus,bus,bus sight. questions and answers about bus,bus,bus. if i want comic relief i can watch leno or any other comic.its great to see a sense of humor about busses for busses and reading these posts over the years i believe that opinion is widely shared. i want to learn new things bus related and new ways to do things.i dont need to be schooled on sence of humor by some old guy from texas. by the way im an old guy and i smiled when i mentioned texas it sure is a big state when you have to drive through it.busses are for sanity thanks | ||
| latvia-69 (Latvia69)
Registered Member Username: Latvia69 Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 97.104.218.18 Rating: |
sorry old guy with a bus from arizona | ||
| L James Jones Jr (Jamo)
Registered Member Username: Jamo Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 74.71.202.72  Rating: |
Sorry old guy with a bus from upstate NY agrees with you too. I could clown around all day as well, but that's not why I come here. I liked this site a lot better before it turned into a hijacking of every thread with "humor". | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1464 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.59  Rating: |
The 18 wheelers have found this to sometimes be worth 1/2 MPG. http://www.fleet-airfilters.com/Home.html It does need cleaning but at 200,000 miles a year vs 4,000 the fuel savings are in the tens of thousands of dollars. "I liked this site a lot better before it turned into a hijacking of every thread with "humor"." AGREE , Comedy Central is for the constant wanabbe joksters, hardly this forum. FF | ||
| latvia-69 (Latvia69)
Registered Member Username: Latvia69 Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 97.104.218.18 Rating: N/A |
thanks for the info about the air filter fred,i will be a customer. | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 612 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120  Rating: N/A |
Well, I have to disagree to a degree about the humor. I can certainly use some humor in these tough times. I like the humor of "The Three Stooges" etc. But, I do find it aggravating when inserted into every thread. So I guess I fall somewhere in the middle. I do not visit the other sites any more where anything that's not strictly bus technical is deleted. This site is more like a small town diner or tavern where there are some strangers and a lot of regulars. It's a richer experience than just going to McDonalds. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1065 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: |
You don't want to buy that filter for a 2 stroke engine Latvia good luck | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 402 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
High Flow filter.... translation_ allows fine particulates into your combustion chambers. and since there is an impromptu polling going on--- I like the humour. but I wish we had a room for just plain conversations with friends not yet met in person. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 594 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
I get the distinct impression that someone is holding a gun to the heads of 3-4 people here... and FORCING THEM to read my posts... I have some advice for them.. move to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA..! Here we have the FREEDOM of speech & we are free NOT to read everything that is printed on the page. Over here you don't have to play the VICTIM all the time, you actually have a choice to READ or NOT to read.... But I have to warn you, American's have a distaste for people whose main occupation in life is to complain. I am not responsible for Latvia or anyone else's happiness or sadness here... Their problems, deficiencies, inabilities & lack of education & sense of humor are THEIR PROBLEMS. If you can't be happy HERE I doubt you can be anywhere else as well and even IF I stopped posting here you'd still be a whiner.... so what's the point? To sign on to this Forum and then 7 days later start complaining about people who have posted here for decades is just a tad beyond reasonable adult behavior. Be part of the community and make a contribution here and IF you don't appreciate my humor be a man and DON'T READ WHAT I POST you have that choice or you can continue to piss & moan that you are the victim, which ever you are more skilled at and which ever you are most comfortable doing...in public. (Message edited by Jack_fids on March 10, 2011) | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1066 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: N/A |
Good info for the air cleaner lol | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 595 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
...and someone thinks Texas is a big place... WHOA! breaking newz!! who spilled the beans & created an Einstein ? (Rand-McNally leaks secret information about the USA) Perhaps Socrates was correct when he observed that: "Reading is for LAZY people, the ones who lack the drive for experience & the curiosity for discovery." (Message edited by Jack_fids on March 10, 2011) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 404 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
Well jack compared to somewherevania Texas is a big place. | ||
| Len Silva (Lsilva)
Registered Member Username: Lsilva Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 72.187.35.208  Rating: N/A |
Since this thread has been hijacked, I will throw my 6 cents in (inflation, you know). Many of us have been around these boards for a lot of years and, quite frankly, the vast majority of questions have been asked and answered dozens of times. We are still willing to answer again to help those just getting started or who have just found us. However, the camaraderie, button pushing, chain jerking, and joking around amongst friends is a large part of the appeal and reasons for being here. I don't even own a bus any longer and have no reason to be here except to help as I can and to enjoy the company of friends. If all you want is tech support, then perhaps this is not the place. | ||
| latvia-69 (Latvia69)
Registered Member Username: Latvia69 Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 97.104.218.18 Rating: |
yada,yada,yada.yada yada! i bet there are more people that want good info then comedy routines.ive been a lurker on this site forever and didn,t participate because of this b.s. i spend more time looking for bus related info then reading about penguins, cats and bicycles. nothing wrong with jokes related to bus topics the building,breaking,fixing and valuable experiences involved. pardon me for thinking this is the intention of a site like this. lets have a chat room for comedians and let leno know theres material here. also thanks for the info on the filter as per using on a two stroke. maybe some other opinions out there would be valuable. old reperbate in fla | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 237 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.210.47.41 Rating: |
Just wondering, besides a Bus do you have a Rammmmmmmmbler? Chromie | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 596 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
Len, I might add FREE TECH support from volunteers who have no obligation to answer any question at all but do so out of a sense of community and shared situations. I get the impression that some who come here assume that this is a site staffed to solve problems for them 24/7 ...and likely paid by the government, by the way they demand attention & solutions! The REAL PROBLEM is peoples EXPECTATIONS OF OTHERS the problem with this is ... when you EXPECT others to live up to standards YOU set for THEM, based on YOUR DESIRES & NEEDS..... all you are doing is setting yourself up for a continuous string of failures because NO ONE will or can ever meet YOUR EXPECTATIONS, including yourself! The Whining can go on forever for all I care, I know who they are and I posses the capacity to deal properly with them by ignoring their presumptions or whatever it is that they think they are accomplishing or contributing here. Relationships that are healthy are formed thru conversation in 2 directions that engage both parties, not expectations, demands or whining or sniveling or other juvenile devices of displeasure. As for Leno or Comedy Central..... they are all yours & you can HAVE them if I was a Sheep I'd likely be impressed by the lowest common denominators of mass-entertainment for those who like to be spoon fed. Frankly, TV, in my book, is for those with little initiative & lots of time to vegetate or those who enjoy being sold consumer crap. (I think some here could better use the time wasted watching TV or carping on forums to re-familiarize themselves with Grammar, Spelling & sentence construction) I own a bus because it allows me to EXPAND my horizons and not to limit my perspective on the world & people outside my windshield. AND.. for the record THIS SITE belongs to IAN, He runs it in a fashion that suits him & his goals, might I suggest that anyone here who has a problem with this Forum do the proper thing by taking your problems with HIS FORUM to HIM... he is a smart & talented individual and it's likely that he can guide those with problems to either a solution or to all of the BETTER bus sites on the Internet, as if there are any. and FWIW.. I am not on any of those sites to impact what I am sure is your perfect life... | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 597 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
Chromie...I say it's a YUGO or a Citroen whatever it is, I know this... it doesn't have spell check, a shift key for Capital letters or any Grammatical suggestions..... and BTW you owe me a phone call Bud..! (Message edited by Jack_fids on March 10, 2011) | ||
| latvia-69 (Latvia69)
Registered Member Username: Latvia69 Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 97.104.218.18 Rating: |
i feel so put in my place with my old bus towing my rambler and yugo. You guys are so funny, i cant contain myself. i can see it now, names emblazoned on the sides of your buses, traveling the country looking for the reason why comedians are born. i put some commas and a capital letter in just for you so that you could see i know how to type englitchhhhhh when im not in a hurry to read informative posts. old man from fla. | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.134.215 Rating: N/A |
@ Dave Walker; That wix #Wix 42126 has dimensions that would not fit my stock housing unit...is this a correct part number? | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 238 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.208.6.29 Rating: N/A |
You either don't have the original stock ones or they re an odd size someone put in. Mine are 1 inch lower than the housing but are covered when you put the bottom cup on. http://www.amazon.com/WIX-42126-Air-Filter-Pack/dp/B000CSD2VE http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIX-42126 Maybe measure yours and find one that fits or call Luke he can tell you what the number old be for yours and maybe tell you where to get them. HTH Dave (Message edited by chrome_dome on March 10, 2011) | ||
| Don Evans (Doninwa)
Registered Member Username: Doninwa Post Number: 291 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 208.81.157.234  Rating: N/A |
I agree that better flow than a standard paper element usually means less filtration. Remember where your air intake is, at the back of the bus. If you have a truck wrecking yard near they will have a mountain of air cleaner cans to scope out. I too am tired of wading through a bunch of posts trying to follow a thread. Now it seems if someone thinks there is little humor or use to a post the result is the attack of the penguin.  Don 4107 | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1465 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.75 Rating: N/A |
also thanks for the info on the filter as per "using on a two stroke. maybe some other opinions out there would be valuable" Why not ask the opinion of the Manufacturer , rather than accept the claims someone that probably has never seen one? FF | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1067 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.43.204 Rating: |
I have done my homework on those filters Fred just trying to help,I have rebuilt a few 2 strokes people thought they had the best out there using the K&N system so use whatever you like it's your engine and fwiw no warranty work done if used on a DD,MB or Cummins I haven't gotten answers back from others yet but sure it will be the same (Message edited by luvrbus on March 11, 2011) (Message edited by luvrbus on March 11, 2011) | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1270 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.183.81 Rating: |
In my findings,The oil Bath filters are the best because they filter a lot mor than dry ones and I will continue to get dirty and use my oil bath filters. Just my 5 Cents Gomer | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 600 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
I see you have a lower price than Len does... is it the local inflation rate or are you just cheaper...? and are you looking for secret messages hidden in the white spaces...? . .  (Message edited by Jack_fids on March 11, 2011) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 405 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: |
I wonder if using a lighter weight oil like 0w5 in the oil bath if that would decrease the restriction inherent to the design. I will pay 10¢ for an answer. Ian please clean your board out there are unwanted critters running around. | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 430 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 75.91.197.166  Rating: |
George, lower viscosity oil mean lighter oil, so the engine could draw it higher into the filter. The restriction of the original spec'ed oil is a good thing. If you see smoke from the exhaust while cruising, the intake is restricted. Best practice is to put an appropriate "filter minder" in line after the air cleaner. that will let you know that the filter is doing it's job. OTH, if you see smoke from a normally clean running engine, you will soon see higher engine temps. | ||
| larry currier (Larryc)
Registered Member Username: Larryc Post Number: 350 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 207.200.116.13 Rating: N/A |
Hey Jerry. I parted a 77 KW to get the 8V71 TA a couple years ago. KW used 2 square Farr air cleaners with a crossover pipe on this engine that are specific to the DD. They are still hanging on the truck. This gives you an idea of what was top of the line during the day of the 2 stroke. If you have room this is the best set up I have used, I never could get a 71 to run good on one air cleaner, but they sure run great on 2. Any truck bone yard can fix you up if you look around. I really like the new Farr Eco too, but it needs to be sized to a 2 strokes airflow for best results. (Any Eco will flow more than your oil bath I think). Hey I know, how about 2 Eco's on a Y pipe? | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 2045 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.91.140.212  Rating: N/A |
I've always been surprised more busnuts aren't running a pair of air filters and a Y pipe. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 565 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.46.196.121  Rating: N/A |
What about getting the intake up into some cool air also? | ||
| Ralph Peters (Ralph7)
Registered Member Username: Ralph7 Post Number: 189 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 75.214.138.211 Rating: N/A |
When my 8-71TA was done, a GM part# 15520287 housing with element #15515589 was installed on the right side with the 7in. cold air intake faceing the outside. When you cross reference the element I think it is the same as used on big R's GM/Volvo S-60 and N-14., but their cold air intake is only 5 or 6in. | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 69.155.141.197 Rating: N/A |
Everyone, what I finally did was talk to Luke @ US Coach and he sold me a MCI-9 Dry Air filter system with a new element...bolts directly in place of my old system. Hopefully I'll see some performance improvements. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 421 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
Make sure you post your findings on this thread. | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 70.244.47.167 Rating: N/A |
On friday I received the dry air filter setup from US Coach. I quickly noticed that the cannister diameter is smaller, but overall it looked like the old oil bath cannister. Luke included the original rubber tubing to the manifold and 2 brackets...at first I wasn't sure why. I later found out that because the replacement cannister was a smaller diameter than the original none of the original clamps hoses, etc. were going to work and so thankfully everything needed was included with the new setup. However, this didn't mean it was an easy "bolton"...I had to drill a couple of new holes for the brackets and play around with the new intake tubing to get everything to line up...my arms were pretty tired after this. A test drive is set for this week...results are soon to follow. | ||
| jerry garrido (Uemjg)
Registered Member Username: Uemjg Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2010 Posted From: 70.248.168.139 Rating: N/A |
Well I took a short drive to see if I would gain some improvement in performance and/or mileage and while I did notice a performance improvement I did not prepare to check for mileage improvement...next time though. |
