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MC - Iv (24.83.235.106)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 3:22 am: | |
I recently had an oil/filter change on our MC-9 (6V92) at a truck service center. They had a special offer for an oil & lube which was just about the price for the oil and filters alone.
They seemed to do an adequate job however when I got home I checked the oil level and it was over maximum by approx. 1/2 inch on the dipstick. (This was the level after the coach sat overnight)
I'm not sure how much excess oil that is OR how serious is over-filling. Do I have to go and drain out a little?
Iv. |
FAST FRED (63.234.20.132)
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There has been loads of discussion as to what and how to check the oil in a DD.
The only thing I have seen in writing from DD is for the 6-71.
I use the method in my 8-71 to no ill effect (yet?)
Run the engine for 10 min to warm it up and check and set the oil level immediatly on shutdown.
Yes, in the AM the dip stick will seem overfull , but the level will be correct while running.
Works for me,on land and sea,
Your BIG question is did the truck stop have and use the correct TYPE oil in your DD?
FAST FRED |
pete (64.12.96.105)
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Fred..
4 years ago if you had told me i needed a special oil so my powerstroke turbo deisel would start in the winter i would have told you to stay out of the bar..
well...after that experience and 1200.00 in service charges im a believer..
Q- whats the oil for a 8-71 dd? I"m asuming aprox the same..but the oil for thepowerstroks has to hold 3000 psi in the system to push the fuel into the injectors..is the dd the same?
pete |
Geoff (Geoff) (66.238.120.24)
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Is your engine sitting 100% level? If it is leaning to one side you will get a false reading. Also, did you wipe the stick and then check the oil? If you just pulled it out and read it without wiping it, the oil may have ridden up on the stick. |
Bill K. (209.86.74.175)
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Always pull out the dip stick and wipe it off, and ck again, the oil after setting on some dip sticks will craw up the stick. |
DonTX/KS (66.82.9.37)
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Pete, as a Powerstroke and DD871 owner, NO, do not use the same oil both of them. The DD does not have to have oil to push injectors, but as a two stroke, it does need CF rated oil, 40wt for most of us. |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.154.50)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 9:45 am: | |
To be honest with you, you never want the moving parts of the engine to contact the upper level of the oil in the pan.
At the speeds the crank lobes are moving, the impact can be substantial, and over time, destructive.
While I see the LOGIC of having the oil at the full level while the engine is operated, as a diesel mechanic of over 20 years experience, I can tell you that no mechanic I know, have known or know OF, including myself, will check for the oil level while the engine is running.
"Check the oil level daily before starting the engine.
Add oil, if neccessary, to bring it to the proper level on the dipstick.
NOTE: If the engine has just been stopped, wait approximately twenty minutes to allow the oil to drain back to the oil pan before checking the oil level."
Sound excessive?
It is word for word straight from DA BOOK.
Overfill the crankcase at your own risk, but I'd drain out that 1/2 inch of oil.
Brian |
Scott Whitney (69.35.6.233)
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Pete said:
Q- whats the oil for a 8-71 dd?
The short answer would be Chevron Delo 100 (or 400) or Shell Rotella. But there are others that meet the CF ratings.
Scott |
Earl-8-Ky (207.162.163.19)
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I used to run heavy equipment. The oil was allways checked with the engine runnig and hot.There can be quite a bit of oil up in the engine when it is running. The oil helps keep the engine cool too. I keep mine about half way between the low and full mark with the engine running. As long as the crankshaft does not hit the oil and cause foaming you will be just fine. It has worked for me for 45 years. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (64.134.135.51)
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I have never in my life heard of checking engine oil while running, unless you have some sort of bulk oil setup.
Gary |
Geoff (Geoff) (66.238.120.24)
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Gary, how old are you? A lot of industrial engines have two level checks dipsticks on the engines-- one for running level, one for stopped. This so you can check and add oil without shutting the engine down. |
TWO DOGS (66.90.214.101)
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just keep plenty of oil in there...1/2" too much is nothing to worry about...and...DD do use oil...even brand new...so..just plan on it...& always check it & keep it topped off...1/2" too much or 1/2" down....keep it that way..that's my .02 |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (64.134.135.51)
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42. as of yesterday.
I guess I've never run across it.
Although I was talking about moving vehicles, the stationaries I've worked with had a bulk oil filler.
gary |
Geoff (Geoff) (66.238.120.24)
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My RTS 6V92TA also has a dipstick with a hot idle and eng off full/add marks. They are about 2" apart, and the dipstick says to only check the running level when the engine is hot and idling below 700 rpms.
Happy Birthday!
--Geoff |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.154.50)
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"I used to run heavy equipment. The oil was allways checked with the engine runnig and hot."
We, as a general rule, try to keep our operators as far away from the engine as we can.
We have always assumed they knew how to check the oil though.
I have never heard of checking the oil level on any piece of equipment with the engine running, before today.
Wow, Da Book is wrong...Amazing!
I guess DD doesn't know what they are talking about, and neither do the rest of the OEM Books, imagine that.
Brian |
DonTX/KS (66.82.9.16)
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Good Grief Geoff, no wonder Gary (the kid) finds so many new things daily, at only 42!
I have been around too, longer than Gary, but that is the first I knew about a DD powered bus having a "running level" on the dipstick. That is the way it should be too. Another good reason to own an RTS I think. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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You can call me the kid if you like, but I'm a high Mileage unit.
Oh--and thanks Geoff.
Gary |
Ken Turner (152.163.252.163)
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I spent most of my life on Tug Boats.
They had TWO generators. depending on what the current Chief engineer preffered, would run one generator for 30 days, then switch to the other one. for months at a time.They HAD to check the oil while running. Also the same for the MAIN engines ..The link below Is a pic of a tug that I was skipper on in Nigeria built in Japan registerd in Panama. Changed oil 50 barrels at a time M.A.N engines..Dry sump DIP STICK ?
http://members.tripod.com/Pipesusmc/jaramac_small1.jpg |
ken turner (152.163.252.163)
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file:///C:/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/jaramac.art
Hope this works |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Right, but the MANs were remote sump, right? oil thrash wouldn't be an issue.
Hope you can post the pic, I love tugs, I would have bought one to live in, or a trawler, had I been able to find a good candidate when I was looking.
gary |
Ken Turner (152.163.252.163)
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HEY GARY ....
The gens were a lot smaller..I guess 50 KW.? Dont know what brand. I cant get the pics to work.
my web page has the pics there Click on on any pic to enlarge. also click on the one " dont try this at home "
www.pipesusmc.net |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.154.50)
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Well yes, I think it is pretty darn safe to say that an engine with a dry sump will not have a dipstick on it!
As far as an engine that is not shut down for hundreds of hours... an engine running oil level on the dipstick makes a lot of sense.
BUT, out of the billions of internal combustion engines out there, just how many run for hundreds of hours at a stretch?? Will any of OUR coaches run for hundreds of hours at a time??
For that matter, how many have dry sumps?
Sure, there are exceptions...
Brian |
Ken Turner (152.163.252.163)
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BRIAN... I thought part of the subject was checking the oil with the engine running. I gave a situation when that HAS to be done,
As far as the DIPSTICK comment I was kidding.
(I might be dingy, BUT I row my own boat) |
jim mci-9 (209.240.205.60)
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if you play with cats on a daily basis, you find that the dipstick has markings on 1 side for engine stopped... and the other side for engine running...the dipstick tube extends down into the pan... keeps the splash oil from giving you a false reading....but the correct level is 1" below the pan/block rail... |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.154.50)
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True enough, as I said it sounds reasonable in such a case...
I didn't say it can't be done or even that it isn't.
I said, I have never heard of it.
Now I have.
Brian |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Hey Ken,
I said:
"I have never in my life heard of checking engine oil while running, unless you have some sort of bulk oil setup."
Apparently, there are things in the universe that I have not yet heard of, that I am thankful for.
I consider a dry sump to be a bulk oil device.
In any case, Cool Tug! Looks really big, what was the OAL?
the "Cort" nozzles and variable pitch props, are these anything like the newer "Z" drives that they use on tugs nowadays?
Gary |
Jayjay (152.163.252.163)
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I think Chervron Delo 100 is going to be the oil of choice in the near future for us two-stroke users, since Shell has quit making the "red can" two-stroke Rotella. See Shell's web site for more info. Anybody got any Castrol Type "R" sitting around? Like maybe a twenty gallon drum? Cheers...JJ |
MC - Iv (24.83.235.106)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 3:07 am: | |
Hmmmm.....Ok, I checked the oil shortly after shutdown, and I checked it the next day. I always wipe the stick first, then recheck. The coach is level. And the oil is Chevron Delo 40wt. 1/2" over full.
So, drain some oil? I'm still not sure if anyone said too much oil is a bad thing.
Thanks, Iv. |
FAST FRED (65.154.177.97)
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IF you are reading the dipstick just after shutdown from a warm normally operating condition , you should read no more than full.
The same engine WILL read over full before start yp the next day.
NO PROBLEM, BUT
If you ever find your oil level is RISING,
(as if you were making oil)
this is a very dangerous problem.
Most likely a leak of raw fuel at a jumper and this can dilute the oil , causing faster engine wear.
It is (as the airplane boys say) an IMMEDIATE!!
FAST FRED |
Geoff (Geoff) (66.238.120.12)
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A half inch over full is two quarts. I woundn't worry about it-- you'll use the excess soon enough. |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.154.50)
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Why do I feel this overwhelming sense of deja vu here?
MC Iv, YES, overfull is bad.
DA BOOK.... people, DA BOOK says to check the engine with the engine COLD and if it must be checked after shutdown wait twenty minutes!
Fred is right in that if you EVER find that the oil level is rising, shut it down, it's likely fuel in the oil.
Brian |