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| Jayjay (64.12.96.105) Rating: N/A |
Before I catch any more H*ll fron uninformed individuals, let me clarify a few things about solid wire. I DO NOT endorse the use of solid wire, (BX cable/Romex) I only stated that it is legal. and that when PROPERLY supported is safe. Most professional conversions, and nearly all motorhomes are done with solid wire. Safely. I know of several 4104's and one 4106 that have 20 years of use on them with no troubles at all. Vibration ? Nah...it doesn't happen in a conversion. Bus conversions ride better than most back yards do in L.A. or 'Frisco! Properly supported wiring systems (solid or stranded) do not vibrate destructively, and your coach certainly doesn't shake like an HD Sportster. I ask the crowd...has anyone ever heard of an electrical fire (documented?) from a shorted receptacle or light switch? When? How many? Conversely...how many coaches (or motorhomes and campers) burn each year from propane/liquified natural gas? I wired my 4905 with stranded, and that is what I advocate using. Just be sure you crimp the lugs SECURELY. That's the hazard point in stranded systems. However you do it- do it by "Da Book" and it will be safe. Cheers...JJ | ||
| Geoff (Geoff) (66.238.120.47)
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Is this a troll? | ||
| DonTX/KS (66.82.9.19)
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It might be. | ||
| njt5150 (68.240.178.237) Rating: N/A |
It appears that maybe I pointed out that solid wire is not good for anything that can cause vibration and hurt his feelings. Even thought I was nice and didn't indicate anything about him personally. Nor attacked him in any shape form or manner. Only advised that solid wire is not a good choice regardless or inspite of what may be "legal". I personally advocate "gun control" That is that anyone who owns the gun should control it. Regardless if is "legal" to own them there should be control of it. ie point it only at what you wish to shoot all the control needed. | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (66.167.142.42)
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Way before I ever became a busnut you guys had virtual fistfights over this issue. There's lots in the archives if you again feel compelled to scratch at those scabs! LOL  | ||
| jmaxwell (66.81.214.178) Rating: N/A |
33 yrs., 8 diff. RV's from tent trailer to bus, all had Romex, only failure was a wall plug in a Holiday Rambler where the stablock connection on a cheap snap together wall outlet came loose on a neutral. Only other failure I know of was in an American Eagle, where some "highly skilled" assembler shot 3 1 1/2" staples thru the Romex bundle in the ceiling. Lasted over 10k mi. before it "filed" thru the neutral. Factory solution: tied the severed neutral to ground, that is, until I showed up unexpectedly and caught them doing it. Wasn't my coach but I was with the owners as we were travelling together on a trip that took us through Indiana. | ||
| Jayjay (64.12.96.105) Rating: N/A |
njt5150...you didn't hurt my feelings, and I wasn't offended. I'm not that thin skinned. There were more than a few abusive, uninformed emails off-line, and they all showed some degree of ignorance of the realities of electrical installations. These are people that are unwilling to air their opinions (or display their ignorance) on a public forum, but won't hesitate to attempt to chastise me, (or you) in private. I'm not sure why. At some point in posting, it will happen to you, as it has to me in the past. Have a safe holiday, and Cheers...JJ | ||
| Jayjay (64.12.96.105) Rating: N/A |
njt5150...my favorite bumper sticker says: GUN CONTROL IS HITTING YOUR TARGET ...JJ | ||
| njt5150 (68.240.187.147) Rating: N/A |
Great No problem... I am sorry was not aware of the offlines.. Plus was only stating opinion based on EE training received years ago. I need that bumper sticker ;) | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb) (12.8.192.60)
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I will also throw in an opinion....having worked in the marine industry I prefer pre-tinned stranded wire to help prevent corosion. I believe resitance and therefore heat created by corroded wiring causes far more overloads and failures than destrucitve vibration of solid wire. Just my two cents | ||
| woody48348 (66.208.219.185) Rating: N/A |
I have been repairing aircraft wiring for the past 19 years and we use stranded wire, but even stranded wire can fail when ends are improperly secured. The most common problem is with solder connections. Tinning the end of stranded wire when making a connection leaves a short section very brittle as the solder wicks up the wire. The wire usually fails from vibration at the point the solder stopped wicking, and the untinned wire continues. When using stranded wire, the best connection is a properly crimped connection, with no solder tinning. Do not over-crimp. An overcrimped connection acts like a sollder tinned connection and will fail with vibration. | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb) (12.8.192.60)
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Woody I agree with you I am referring to stranded wire where each individual strand is tinned before it is twisted in the jacket. It's more expensive to buy but good quality. I am not sure what the tinning compound is but it is still very flexible. Ancor brand is what I have used and it can be bought in 2 and 3 conductor jackets like Romex for ease of running. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (128.123.221.140)
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Woody....what is the criteria for determining when one is "over-crimp"ing? I have always been mindful of what you are saying as a possibility, but guess I don't know where to stop putting pressure on. Seems if I don't give it an extra squeeze, the bloomin' wire pulls out. Thanx. R.C.Bishop '64 Crown HWC | ||
| Jayjay (64.12.96.105) Rating: N/A |
R.C.- contact Aircraft Spruce Company and they will sell you a pair of gear-drive crimpers, that have an overtravel limit built in. This stops over-crimpimg. About $160.00 each, for each size of wire/lug combination. If you will use the "Stak-On" brand of crimping tool and follow the directions that come with it, you will nearly duplicate the "high-priced-spread" for about $20.00. Get Stak-On tools at any electrical supply house. The counter man will know what you want. ...JJ | ||
| sam04Ga. (209.82.161.161)
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R.C. You can buy the aircraft crimpers used at THE YARD STORE in Wichita for less than $10.00 each. Just search for THE YARD STORE. They have an online catalog also. Hope this helps | ||
| R.C.Bishop (128.123.221.190)
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AW'RIGHT, JJ and Sam!!!.....you're on; and thanx for the tips. Always figured there was something I didn't know about it!!! I have lotsa confidence in this board. Keep up the good work. RCB '64 Crown HWC |