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Dale MC8 (69.19.170.109)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 1:06 pm: | |
Reading the post about "All Elec" vs "Elec/LP", I started thinking (very dangerous) about the earlier post concerning using cooking oil as fuel. Would a Webasco heating system and/or a Diesel get set work with a used cooking oil system? Do any of you out there, pro or con, have any ideas about this? Or even better, have actual knowledge of this?
Just wondering.
Dale |
akrom (205.188.209.8)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 12:20 am: | |
You're right ...it's dangerous...go back to sleep, and forget that silliness about cooking oil. akrom |
Johnny (63.159.217.156)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 9:28 pm: | |
Not me, but the crew that runs www.greasel.com might be able to help. I suggest checking their link page. |
mark (66.43.13.152)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 10:23 pm: | |
Hi, Dale
I met a guy here locally that burns a waste oil heater for his shop. He actually tried the cooking oil as a fuel, and as mentioned before, there just isn't any BETTER fuel than deisel. It did work, just not as well.
HTH
mark
75 gillig 636D |
soulin heath (66.82.48.1)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:27 am: | |
dale, Try Greasecar.com.I took a course (hosted by greasecar.com) on How to Use Vegie Oil For Fuel in diesel Engines. It is Verry Clean Burning And like the Best Primium Diesel With One Ecception: It's Much Cleaner! NOTE: Vegie oil MUST be FILTERD & HEATED TO A minimum of 150 Deg.F.(IN the FUEL TANK)+ ALL FUEL LINES + FILTERS MUST BE HEATED ALSO. "Greasecar"& Us "studants" Did a Conversion on a Mid 80's Mercedes 300D 5 Cyl.Turbo. It burned VERY CLEAN! & had More Power than the diesel.NOTE -2:During the course we Had access to comparison Photos; Much less Carbon Deposits.Note-3: Grease is Best Converted To BIO_DIESEL FIRST!. Hope this helps. |
TomNPat (68.137.169.18)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 12:17 am: | |
eGAD, with all those benefits, much cleaner, more power, almost free, less carbon deposits, etc., I will be contacting several major trucking companies and railroads to consult on their fuel usage. I'll save them billions and I'll get 10% residual plus the original multi million dollar consulting contract. I'll be the first to take this mainstream, I'm sure since the trucking magazines don't even know this.
I'm selling the MCI 9 and will soon have a 45' Marathon with gold trim. It'll run on compressed natural gas since I'll be able to afford it. Just watch for it on the road. Thanks for the tips!!!
TomNPat |
john wood (209.137.231.113)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 5:30 pm: | |
veggie oil heated together with lye produces bio diesel and glycerine. Bio diesel gells at a higher temp than #2 diesel and about the sme power, but has that neat french fry exhaust smell. |
Soulin Heath (66.82.48.1)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 4:48 pm: | |
TomNpat, eGAD! Conversion is expnsive & Road Tax Has to be a real Can of WORMS! to say the least. But for A realy fine Diesel Gen./ Heating for Shop/Home Is Feasable For A FEW. Also I just happend to check out the topic on Dissipointment on the prefformance ("LACKING") OF C.N.G. Hope you are not in a hurry...SLOOOOOOW REFUELING.I'm Sure at this time there are more places spreadout the country than C.N.G. Filling Stations that haveUsed/Waste,Surpluss VEG. Oil. ALSO Unless Vege oil is kept Heated it Will become too thick (Obviously).I bet Dale is using Heating Oil NOT GREASE! To heat his shop.GOLD TRIM? WOW!! |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.154.171)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 11:55 pm: | |
For those not aware, there was a long thread here a few months back dealing with cooking oil as a fuel.
Brian |
Phil Dumpster (24.16.189.48)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 4:27 am: | |
John Wood, you forgot an essential component - you need an alcohol, either methanol or ethanol. This is what the long chain fatty acids bond to in order to form glycerine.
The lye is a catalyst, it's not absolutely necessary but it allows the reaction to happen at a lower temperature, which is safer considering how combustible the ingredients are. |
john wood (209.137.231.93)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 3:03 pm: | |
That is what I get from working from memory. |
Bill Glenn (141.158.28.91)
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Hey Dale, now your cooking! Diesel gen sets are no problem, Webasto on the otherhand with WVO (waste vegetable oil) is not very feasable but can be done (to thick for the existing pump, and to high ignition temp @ atmospheric pressures).
Actual knowledge,
Yea as most anyone that was at Bussin 2004 can attest we run our little kubota on used french fry oil. We recapture the coolant heat for our domestic hot water as well as use it for heat.
Pros and Cons?
Well you are going to have to collect and filter it. (used oil, not many filling stations yet!)
If you are are in tempratures above 40 you dont have to worry about heating it, but below that temp, line, filter, and possibly tank heaters are needed. I made my own, with some copper tubing, fittings and 3/4" heater hose. starting on kerosene or winter diesel and switching over to vege once the coolant heats the system works easily.
This is really good for the enviroment(less pollutants cleaner burning, complete carbon chain neutral),
This is good for our economy, and our national security (U.S. Farmers grow it, we are not funding some others Nations sometimes undesirables)
This is an energy source that is truly self sustaining. Of course not everyone would like to see this become reality. Oil refineries etc.
I understand alot of people beleive you must convert oil into biodiesel to use it, but in most cases that is not true. (all diesel injection pumps are not good canidates for WVO-SVO) Those wimpy injector pumps on early Gm 5.7s werent very good at pumping diesel no less thicker vege oil.
We have connected our air conditioning compressor with belts to our vege-burner and will be running our air conditioner as well as all of our electrical and water heating needs off of used french fry oil. A diesel is a tru multi fueled engine. Kerosene, mineral spirits, WVO, SVO, diesel fuel, Waste crankcase oil(I dont recomend it, bad for the enviroment you know) can all be used with propper precautions and lubricants.
Why bother? Hmmmmmm? I believe some people will always take the easy way out of any situation, we see it all the time. Hell we could still be using whale oil lanterns. Most people scoffed at those that who dared drive a horseless carriage, no less a flying machine.
Dale there are alot of pros, little cons that are easily overcome, there are alot of people and web sites worldwide devoted to this subject that can help. glad to see your interest go for it! If you have any questions I would be glad to help. |
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