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| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 166.205.141.170  Rating: N/A |
Hi all, I just got all our stuff together to go camping for the fourth. On my trip, I lost my drivers on the right side going down the highway (what a scare) on the bright side, the wheels never touched any of the siding on the bus and the tag kept the bus from dragging the pavement. I got a 700.00 tow bill to get it down the road to a friends parking lot. My question is; My bus has a adapter plate to go from the large bolt pattern to the standard truck pattern. The bolts holding the adapter plate to the hub sheared off. Of course that screwed up the plate and the hub. Does anybody know if I can go with standard hubs and drums? Does anybody know what type of rear end is in the bus? It looks like a heavy-duty Rockwell to me. But I'm not real sure. My plan is to try and stay away from the adapter plate (I never liked those even on cars) and stick with standard wheels. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Gary | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 360 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.210.222.81  Rating: N/A |
Gary, I know you are probably not near Sacramento , but these guys are a Clutch and brake place for big trucks and buses. They may be able to steer you in the right direction and or send parts and answer some questions. Pretty scarey glad your ok Dave http://www.ccbparts.com/ http://www.coachmaintenance.com/ Call Luke 1-888-262-2434 Gary another though George Todd look his profile up and his e-mail is in it. He also has a 6 and a wealth of knowledge. (Message edited by chrome_dome on July 01, 2011) (Message edited by chrome_dome on July 01, 2011) | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 63 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 166.205.141.170 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Dave, I'll look them up. It was a little scary for my wife. My wife jumped over to the left side of the bus to try and keep the bus from rolling over Lol. I was just more worried about getting it off the road enough to let cars by. I was on a two lane road with very little shoulder and fourth of July traffic. But anyway I'm trying to figure out how to do away with the adapters. Thanks for any help, Gary | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 1250 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.37.28.23 Rating: N/A |
Dave, Gary and family are in Alaska, so Sacto parts suppliers aren't much help. These 100 buses were equipped with Budd wheels, with a unique bolt pattern on the steer and drive axles. The six steer and drive wheels, and the spare, are made for 13.5 X 24.5 bias ply tires, while the tags are made for standard 12.00 X 22.5 tires and wheels, which are common truck/bus wheels. I have seen 12R24.5 steel radials used on the stock wheels, and I do know of a pair of duals coming off due to cracks and/or loose lugs. The old wive's tales say not to use steel radials on bias ply wheels, but I'm not really qualified to comment. One of my seven wheels has one small crack... Another previous owner had a set of 22.5 Alcoas made to fit the odd pattern, with great success. Yes, I saw them, the 22.5 alums do fit on the stock hubs that were made for 24s! The only thing wrong with that, is that you still don't have a spare tag. So, it looks like 3 different ways to go, 1. New wheels to fit the existing hubs. 2. Adapters. 3. New hubs and drums with standard bolt pattern, and new wheels. Gary would be better off with hubs and drums, as he already has alum wheels and tires. I don't know if the spindles are the same as those on MC 7-9s, which would make it easy. It is a standard Rockwell rear end, designed for a 102, unlike a model 07 Eagle. I'm still interested.. G | ||
| Ralph Peters (Ralph7)
Registered Member Username: Ralph7 Post Number: 192 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 75.195.216.177 Rating: N/A |
Are the wheel bearings the same as MC7-9, housing? Are the drums 14 1/2 ? One may need to try, check drum fit, axle fit,etc? What about the older HD trucks used in the oil/minning/lumber, exploration industry, they were built to take no roads. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 362 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 69.99.180.114 Rating: N/A |
George??? "Dave, Gary and family are in Alaska, so Sacto parts suppliers aren't much help". Reading his post he didn't say where he was. Knowing he is from Alaska and has a house in Idaho also. I gave him some ones I know are good not only in Sacramento but Luke and you also,(Won't do that again,Sorry). The reason I gave him West coast people(Other than Luke) was because he could talk to them about the problem he was having and also have parts sent overnight where ever he was if needed. Thanks for your re-ply George??? Dave (Message edited by chrome_dome on July 02, 2011) | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 166.205.142.58 Rating: N/A |
Thanks guy's for any help. I am in Wasilla Alaska right now. A friend of mine that runs a buisness called Western Peterbuilt is going to look at the parts I have with me today. He seems to think he can get me hubs and drums (this is the way I hope to go) The front hubs on the bus must have already been switched over to standard and the tag like George said is standard. So all I have to deal with is the drive hubs. The only thing that really looks different to me on the rear is the bolt flange on the hub is about 3/4" thicker and the brake drum is about 3" deeper than on the trucks I've worked on. As far as the spindle goes, it looks the same to me. If I can't get hubs and drums, I'm probably going to have a machine shop around here change out the housings so I can just get truck parts from here on. Thanks again, Gary | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 1253 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.37.28.23 Rating: N/A |
Dave, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way at all! I just meant that he couldn't bring in parts to compare, and try to make something fit. An MC6 hub will have a different part number than a 7, 8, or 9, due to the different bolt pattern. It may be larger also, due to these busses being rated to carry cargo. Gary, the front hubs being changed already sounds like great news! I was wondering how the front tires would fit when turning with the added space of an adapter in there? I assume the adapter broke, or did the inner lugs come loose and then it chewed things up? Did it damage the brake drum? Its good that it didn't do any body damage, and that it didn't break the back corner when all that weight dropped on the tag! G | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 166.205.142.58 Rating: N/A |
George, The inner nuts might have worked loose and then chewed things up. I think what really happened was the adapter plate fits the hub like a hub pilot. I really don't think it was a true fit and the studs holding it to the hub didn't have a collar going through the adapter plate. So it was ridding on the threaded part of the studs. So that wasn't a good fit either. This is why I wan't to go away from the adapter plate. Not to mention the stress from being further out. That adapter is about 2-1/2" thick. As far as damage from the bus coming down on the tag, there was none. The whole rear of the bus was rebuilt extra heavy to acomadate the hydraulic lifts back there. ( which was a plus when this happened ). The tow truck driver crawled under the bus to have a look, he was very happy. He just hooked the truck to the engine cradle, lifted the bus and went. He said he has never seen a bus in his 40 years of towing that he could do that to. Gary | ||
| Ralph Peters (Ralph7)
Registered Member Username: Ralph7 Post Number: 193 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 75.195.106.125 Rating: N/A |
If you get the aftermarket truck parts book look at the Coach section, at PSD PARTS we use THE book NOT the COMPUTER then cross reference truck parts. Most trucks use 16in diameter drums and coach are 14 1/2 or 14in. drums, cam bushings on my mc-8 were same as truck, but they had all parts I needed. The axle seal 45010 rides to far to the inside of the wiper(axle seal)surfsce and OOPS, now I have the correct seal. done mine all and right rear 2ce. Yes I know yours is a 6 and much weighter than my Aillen built Mc-8. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 363 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 74.41.14.235 Rating: N/A |
George no problem just thought it was an interesting response and I had to explain my reasoning. Great advice for Gary! Dave |