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Johnny (4.174.103.43)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 6:42 pm: | |
I'm planning to use 55 gallon plastic drums for water (6 total), mounted on their sides. Two Dogs had a good idea in notching railroad ties to mount them, but it seems that would use more space than I'd like. So, any mounting suggestions? |
TWO DOGS (65.179.208.90)
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notch them deep 2" off fllor in the back 1" deep on the front (opening )side...I did mine witha chainsaw |
TWO DOGS (65.179.208.90)
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just remember a chainsaw is a dangerous s.o.b. |
Johnny (4.174.103.43)
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If there's a way to NOT use RR ties, I'd rather do that. There's enough chemicals & other crap on the ties that I'd rather use something else. |
TWO DOGS (158.254.224.163)
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If you are putting them in the bays..make a rack with 2" angle iron.secure to floor of bay & floor of bus..then hang" the barrels in 4" strap like the flatbedders use |
Johnny (4.174.103.43)
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School bus...they're straddling the rear wheelhouses. |
TWO DOGS (63.188.241.59)
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same................'cept longer 2" angle |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 6:26 pm: | |
My six (6) barrels will be up on end UNSIDE the coach, three on top of each rear driver wheel wells. '74 Crown 10-wheeler.
The heavy steel frame to hold all the weight will be mounted thru the plywood floor tied into the main frame rails.
This should result in 150 fresh, 100 gray and 50 black. The stuff will have to be pumped around inside the coach. Good luck. |
Phil Dumpster (24.16.243.37)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 7:44 am: | |
Johnny, I thought you had a MAN transit.
If I were doing it, I'd make cradles for the barrels out of 3/4 plywood laminated together with 3/4 inch spacers between each lam, probably use 3 or 4 lams to a hanger. A pad of 1/4 inch bender plywood would be used between the cradle and the barrel to spread the load. I'd use a cradle on the bottom and a cradle on the top, between the barrel and the coach frame.
All plywood should be treated with at least an oil stain of some sort, better yet use pressure treated plywood.
Then use threaded rod to hang them from the underside of the coach. 5/8 or 3/4 allthread
As for barrels, I'd use beer kegs (36 gallons each, sometimes called "barrels" to distinguish them from the smaller 15 gallon kegs) instead for durability, as the load of the water is quite significant. 55 gallons of water is over 450 lbs. The contents of a full beer keg would be 300 lbs, the weight of the whole thing being that and whatever the keg weighs.
Also bear in mind the G forces as you go over bumps. A school bus with leaf springs is going to transmit more shocks to the tanks than an air bag suspended transit. A three G bump with a full plastic 55 gallon drum can exert a force of close to 1500 lbs. A plastic water barrel might handle that standing up, but probably not when laying on its side.
Surplus beer kegs can be had for around $15 each from most breweries.
I wouldn't hang them in singles. They'd be more stable in groups of three or four. In a dognose schoolie, the best place for tanks would be in front of the rear axle.
Four beer kegs would give you 144 gallons of fresh water. If you use a marine toilet, one could be used for black, and however many you want to use for grey. |
Phil Dumpster (24.16.243.37)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 7:47 am: | |
The above assumes you're mounting them under the bus, of course. If mounting above the floor, you'll still want to use cradles above and below the barrels and bolt them to the floor to keep them in place when moving. |
Johnny (4.174.112.51)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 8:30 pm: | |
"Johnny, I thought you had a MAN transit."
Not sure were you got that one......
They're going in the bus--it's easier than trying to figure a way to winter-proof them underneath. I will brace them securely, & am considering some sort of shock-absorbing setup (maybe a layer of rubber on the cradles?) to deal with bumps. I was thinking of puting them on their sides because that would keep them low enough to put shelves and/or counters on top of them.
I'm planning on using 3 fresh, 2 gray, 1 black water, and yes, probably with a marine toilet. |
Johnny (4.174.112.51)
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Henry, I like that plan. Are you mounting them upright or sideways? |
Phil Dumpster (24.16.243.37)
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Ok, that's JOEL who has the MAN transit. Sorry for the confusion. |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 5:40 pm: | |
They will be mounted upright, not on their sides. We (me and the landlord, actually) tried to roll filled 55 gallon plastic water barrels off the roof...
...of the shop building, but they were too heavy to lift up. Then we discovered that if they were empty, they roll up onto the roof real easy. Only weigh about 30 pounds or sooosss. Then they were filled.
The intent of rolling them off the roof was to seeess if the could stand the pounding of falling thru the air. No problem there, but the impact on concrete was a problem.
Landing on end, they survived OK. Landing on the side, the seems started to leak after a couple of trips. Seems to me they should be OK for a motorhome installation.
Oh...one more thing. Because as already mentioned, the weight of a full 55 gallon barrel is not inconsiderable. Especially if it is full of black stuff.
Soosss, the heavy angle iron frame that ties the barrels into the coaches mainframe will probably weight itself several hundred pounds. We are talking about...
...close to one and one half TONS if for some reason all 6 barrels of full of it. No way the plywood floor will take that much stress. Anyway, wish me luck. He he he. CROWNS FOREVER! |