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Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 5:58 pm: | |
Number 2 diesel now $2.199 a gallon up here in SW Oregon! Now I can NOT afford to even start her up!! What are others paying??? |
Rick White (Ipn) (206.176.148.173)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 6:07 pm: | |
I filled up the PowerStroke for $1.629 this afternoon in North Dallas. |
Gary Carter (68.25.123.234)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 6:21 pm: | |
You can go to www.flyingj.com and get today's diesel prices at all flyingj stations nationwide. |
Juan Navarro (Jnavarro) (205.216.149.102)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 6:24 pm: | |
So Ca, its 2.379 per gallon. More than premium gas at 2.299 a gallon
@#$!.
Juan PD 4104 |
TWO DOGS (65.179.200.204)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 6:42 pm: | |
kinda makes ya' think about bio-diesel.......huh ? |
Nick Morris (Nick3751) (65.117.139.135)
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Makes ya think about the original horse power |
Bulldogie (69.4.195.142)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 7:21 pm: | |
Yes horses are great, you only have to feed them 3 times what a cow will eat (that is why they call them hay burners hehehe) you can only ride them so far so fast and then you have to give them a long rest. Have you priced what it cost nowadays to shoe a horse, and it has to be done every 3 months along with all the other care? Give me a bus any day, more fun when they run, and can go further if you can find the cheap fuel and you have put in another tank. I plan on adding a tank where the old heat and air exchangers used to be between the batteries and fuel tank and the old air conditioning evaporator and fan system used to be. |
Doug Potter (Doug86newell) (66.112.31.93)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 7:40 pm: | |
I just drove a couple hundred miles to north Dallas and was glad I didn't need fuel. Maybe I shouldn't complain after seeing what others have to pay.
Doug |
R.J.Bob Evans (64.110.227.72)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 9:00 pm: | |
So head north to Canuck-land. We're paying 70 cents for a litre. By the time you convert from the lame canuck-buck to a greenback and then adjust for that wimpy thing you Americans call a gallon that price is the equivalent of $1.92 US per US gallon.
A bargain already!! |
Jimmci9 (209.240.205.68)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 9:00 pm: | |
gas here in houson... $1.65... $1.75.... $1.85.... reg, med, hi grade... diesel is $1.62... |
Johnny (4.174.70.211)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 9:07 pm: | |
$1.799 around here.
I must say, that 500 gallon heating oil tank is starting to look pretty good for my F-350. |
Luke Bonagura (Lukeatuscoach) (209.247.222.83)
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Hi Folks:
Here in Southern N.J., this AM on the way to work, Regular Gasoline was $1.67 and Diesel was $1.59.
Now, I do not want to start a tirade here BUT!!!
From what I read there is plenty of oil off of the East US Coast, the West US Coast, the West Coast of Florida, and Alaska as well as the possibility of "shale oil" in the far West of the US!
In early years I loved to Hunt, Fish and Crab, so I am sensitive to the environment, as we can't replace it if we mess it up, and by the way we are doing a pretty good job of that already!! And I do an "Organic" Vegetable Garden for my family!!
This oil is available. It could be drilled and transported with minimal detriment to the evnironment, as I read, however, no body wants it in their back yard!!! Not much different than all of us wanting to put out our trash, but not wanting the dump or incinerator in our back yard???
The Oil Speculators are having a "Ball" right now at the expense of the consuming public. And Governments in the US, Canada or elsewhere on the consumer side can not do much, as I read it, as we are "Free Market" societies!!! And where are a bunch of our hard earned dollars going today??? To the area of the world where folks would be just as happy if we all fell off the "Face of the Earth" tomorrow, with our converted coaches!!!!
Just some "Food for Thought"
LUKE at US COACH |
ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (69.3.74.30)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:03 pm: | |
Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded oil company, said fourth-quarter profit surged 63 percent on higher energy prices and a tax settlement with the U.S. government.
The quarter boosted Exxon Mobil's profit for 2003 to $21.5 billion, the most reported by any U.S. company since 1998, according to Bloomberg data. Fourth-quarter net income rose to $6.65 billion, or $1.01 a share, from $4.09 billion, or 60 cents, a year earlier, the Irving, Texas-based company said in a statement. Sales rose 17 percent to $65.95 billion.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=akb4LMxv7KrY&refer=news_index |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior) (64.229.211.228)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:22 pm: | |
Watched the gasoline price spike upward by 10 cents a litre here in the Toronto ON area last night. Absolutely everyone is selling at 85.5 cents a litre. No colusion? hah!
3.78 litres to US gallon
$1.37 CDN equals $1 USD
regular unleaded gasoline US$2.36 a USgallon
Sorry to any of the late returning snowbirds for the bad news.
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
Captain Ron (207.30.240.31)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:32 pm: | |
I'm a trveling musician comedian and I'm actualy getting nervous about this summers trip. luckily Im more eastern midwest where the diesel prices are lower at least for now. I'll have to ride the harley more this year bummer. |
David Anderson (168.215.176.174)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:37 pm: | |
In south Texas on Interstate 37 at exit 125 the Conoco Truck Stop is $1.49 per gallon. It is my favorite place to fuel up.
David Anderson |
Phil Dumpster (24.16.243.37)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:44 pm: | |
Gasoline here in Seattle across the street from my house, $1.99 for regular, $2.09 for mid grade, and $2.19 for premium. This is at an Arco AM/PM mini mart. Most other stations in the area are 10 to 15 cents a gallon higher. Diesel is running at right around $2.10 a gallon.
The "cause" being blamed for this spike is the lack of refining capacity. Oh well. |
Peter E (Sdibaja) (67.115.9.11)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:55 pm: | |
last month I took a little jaunt, $1.99 in Az and Nevada...
But I found that Mexican fuel is again competitive! $1.70!!
Peter |
John Rigby (65.112.227.94)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 8:59 am: | |
Its at a $1.56 at Flying J in Orange Texas this morning.
John |
Carroll04 (68.155.51.100)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 9:47 am: | |
Hey I got a novel idea, why don't we elect a president with oil industry ties, militarily take over the second largest oil reserves in the world, let the vp have closed meetings with energy industry reps to develop an energy plan, and we can all drive around in our gas (or fuel guzzlers) and pay out the nose.
Carroll 04 |
degojo (68.35.160.48)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 9:49 am: | |
My 4104 hold 265 gallons have to mortgage it to fill it up |
Rodger in WA (64.70.24.67)
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It would be good to learn the real truth behind the latest huge spike in fuel prices. It appears the prices will continue to increase until demand drops to a level which results in reduced profits.
In my opinion the main culprit is price manipulation by the oil companies, pure and simple. Demand exceeding supply? I don't think so. Since the 70's, I haven't seen nor heard of a gas station anywhere in N. America unable to obtain sufficient fuel to meet the demand of its customers.
There is plenty of crude oil available at moderate prices. It seems this time the blame is being placed on insufficient refining and distribution capacity further aggravated by the varying formula requirements imposed by various localities.
So why no increases in refining capacity? Why invest in additional refinery capacity if so called "shortages" result in higher profits?
Unfortunately, lower income people are now forced to choose between fuel for the vehicles on which they rely for transportation to their jobs and other necessities. And while the economic recovery takes big hit, the oil companies and their big investors are enjoying record profits.
recently, Exxon reported an annual profit in the range of 23 billion. Heck, Exxon could reduce fuel prices by 25% and still make 18 billion/year. Or maybe better yet, invest the 25% in additional refining capacity.
I dislike gov't regulation of anything, especially price controls but it appears the time for that or the threat of it is at hand for big oil.
Hopefully, the upside will be accelerated research and development of vehicle propulsion systems not reliant upon oil based fuel.
Meanwhile, for my part, the more I pay at the pump, the more ways I look for to reduce my consumption.
Tell me where I'm wrong. |
Paul Tillmann (Paultillmann) (24.105.194.23)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:53 am: | |
Diesel = $1.759/gal. (Hess) here in NY (30 mi. south of Albany). Everytime I take my bus out for an exercise run I put in $25 worth of diesel. This way I keep it full all the time and don't have to shell out $175 all at once to fill it. Glad I bought a VW TDI diesel this past November. 720 miles till the fuel light comes on then 14.5 gallons to fill it. I watch owners of Ford Excursions fill up for $65 and chuckle that they will only go about 350 miles on that much fuel. I think another reason the prices are so high is that there isn't much competition out there anymore. With only a handful of companies out there producing fuel it is very easy to price fix. Just my opinion. |
Adame (129.82.229.195)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 12:42 pm: | |
Starbucks coffee: $33.00/ gallon. I use it as starting fluid to get me going in the morning.
bob |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.32.105)
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3 days ago I pd. 2.19/9 per gallon for diesel. Monday the price at same place went to 2.29/9. Others in the area yesterday were ranging 2.29/9 to 2.35/9. Redding, CA What amazes me is that nobody seems to really be complaining about it and nobody even seems to offer a lame excuse for it. Folks on the East Coast can forget eating veggies this summer: a tomato will be $5.00 when they adjust for fuel to get it there! Production in Iraq is now equivelant to about 1/3 of US daily consumption, yet it doesn't seem to figure into the market price; so where is the benefit of our grand adventure into occupation? |
T Gojenola (66.58.192.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 1:02 pm: | |
Damn: I should have kept that old rabbit!
Those who deny price-fixing and collusion in the oil industry have never been able to explain why, if prices are determined by cost, there has always been a difference of ten cents between grades of gasoline. When regular was .39 it went to .49 and .59. That ten cent differential is still there. Cost? - I think not.
In the 60's and 70's the US steel industry was on top of the world just as Exxon and other oil refiners are today, making sinfully huge profits. But they did not modernize and they did not reinvest in their own industry or increase capacity. The consequences were disastrous and in today's world market they are sorely non-competitive. The trans-alaska oil pipeline was built with foreigh-made steel because US producers had neither the technical ability nor the capacity to produce it. I believe the oil industry should be taking a page from that book and seeking to achieve a reasonable balance in its capacity vs. profit motives. To do otherwise smells like a disaster in the making with overtones of political malfeasance.
My opinions, of course,
tg |
Juan Navarro (Jnavarro) (205.216.149.102)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 2:29 pm: | |
So Ca update, Arco station in Irwindale, Diesel 2.399 Premium gas 2.299.
I filled the cummins ram yesterday at a thrifty station, took 56 bucks. will go 500 miles with that.
Can't wait for tiny eurodiesel engines to make it here. Ford bronco has threatened to come up with a 2.0 liter diesel for 05. I'm looking at hybrids right now. I commute 100 miles a day.
I think i can make more money if i stop working. hmmm.
Juan PD 4104-148 |
Nick Morris (Nick3751) (69.68.36.101)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 5:15 pm: | |
Kinda funny how if we went to Iraq for the oil how the gas price has gone up. One would think if a person were to be "in bed" with the powers that be in the oil industry that being in controll of the second largest oil reserve in the world we could pump oil out insead of pumping it in like we're doing; if in fact that is why we went.
Hmmmmmmmmm kinda makes the conspiriousy theory a little leaking don't ya think? |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 6:03 pm: | |
Thank you everyone. You know fuel is getting too $high$ when a complete stranger out of the blue offers you...
...$500 bucks CASH for your beater '81 VW Rabbit Diesel that LOOKS like a war orphan, but gets over 52 mpg...
...on the highway and looks like H...! but is in actual excellent mechanical condition. I had to turn him down. He he he. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.39.223)
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Update: Just came from Redding, CA; price at several stations now stands at 2.45/9 dsl, 2.49/9 Premium, 2.35-2.39 Regular. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.39.223)
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Update: Just came from Redding, CA; price at several stations now stands at 2.45/9 dsl, 2.49/9 Premium, 2.35-2.39 Regular. |
john wood (209.137.231.79)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 6:33 pm: | |
Price of fuel may have as much to do with the devaluation of the $ as it has to do with shortages and refineries. Did you know that there has been not one new refinery built since '74? And that because of air quality regulations, the refineries now may have to produce up to 10 different blends of gas for the region they serve? Kinda takes the flex out of pricing options. US$ vs Euro has gone from .8 euro to 1.2 in recent history. Our money supply is increasing at an alarming 18% per year. This is monetary inflation rearing it's ugly head to pay for our incursions into the mideast. |
Auntmelody (66.167.48.214)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 8:58 pm: | |
Went to NASCAR in Fontana this last weekend and wow!! Diesel was $2.37 a gallon. |
Luke Bonagura (Lukeatuscoach) (209.247.222.107)
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Hi John and All:
You mentioned that there are 10 different "State required blends". Last weekend I read that it was a total of 12 different blends. Maybe it is 10 and maybe it is 12, but for a number of years, refined gasoline has been imported because it is cheaper to build, and man refineries off shore, where there is less sensitivity to environmental concerns.
We in the U.S. have driven many businesses off-shore as a result of environment policy, the most notable of which is probably the casting industry.
I am not arguing with it, I am just stating a fact.
We have a coal fired electric generating plant just outside of Ocean City, N.J. that receives several full train loads of coal per week. It takes people to get the coal there. The utility just announced they are petitioning the State of N.J. to shut it down in 2007. The article indicated that they have made upgrades annually, and still can not meet, upcoming air quality rules.
Here in the East, there are numerous "Natural Gas Fired" generating plants being built to replace coal fired plants. Natural gas here was a cheap commodity. (AND WE HAVE ENOUGH COAL IN THE GROUND TO LAST 1,000 YEARS OR MORE, SO I HAVE READ). I heat my Home & my Business with Natural Gas, and this past winter had bills at both places that would "Choke a Horse", and the thermostats at both places were kept lower then in previous years, since it was so cold and we anticipated the big bills.
We live in a "Free Market Global Economy" which at 61 years old is somthing different than what I have known, (although from my reading, knew it was coming) but that is where we are at. I do my best to absorb as much info. as I can from many different sources, in order to make sense of where we are at, as a Family, as a Business, and me as an individual, so that I know where I can make a difference, and what we all have to live with.
With regard to fuel consumption, we can make a difference. Going to work?? Try public transportaion if available. How about car-pooling with local folks??? At home, set the thermostat a couple of degrees lower in the winter and the summer, before your start up the A/C. and it goes on.
If each of us 280 million?? I think that is where our population is at (and yes I know kids don't use fuel, but parents do, driving them 2 blocks to a ball game) , found a way in our personal lives to save a gallon of fuel per day, can you imagine what would happen it fuel prices???
It is easy to throw stones at who ever about fuel prices, but let's take a look at ourselves and conserve where we can. The savings will fill the Motor Home or Converted Coach at a reasonable cost per gallon, so you can go out and have a Happy & Safe Trip!!!
Just some more food for thought on an important topic!!!
LUKE at US COACH |
Derek (24.85.245.203)
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Might I suggest that you visit the GasBuddy[1] website for your city or state. They do not have diesel prices *yet* but they are hoping to do so in the next couple months.
I am not sure about our US counterparts, but Canadian oil companies, though less, have to be VERY competative; we'll go to a different station for as little as 0.002 cents per litre difference. Thus, though we have high prices, they're rather standard all around.
Saving fuel is a good idea, so is boycotting the fuel companies *IN A SMART MANNER*. Sending chain mail to your email contact list saying "Don't buy fuel from Shell and prices will go down!" is not an effective method and just wastes all of our time. We need to get together and show the fuel companies that they will indeed need to be competative.
[1]: http://www.gasbuddy.com |
David Clark (Dclark) (207.144.149.26)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:21 pm: | |
Hello folks.
This may be of interest.
I have finally returned home from 7 weeks steady on the road. After sleeping for the better part of the past 3 days, I have punched in my fuel numbers for the trip.
I use regular in my old '71 F100 with a 240 cu. in. engine, which is not a bus thing but for what it's worth about fuel........
Diesel prices were usually a touch lower than regular everywhere I went.
I covered the following states:
GA
AL
MS
LA
TX
AR
KS
MO
IL
IN
OH
WV
VA
NC
SC
I went about 8,100 miles and spent about $988.00 on fuel.
I averaged 14.4 miles per gallon. I could easily see when I tuned my truck in Indiana, as my mileage increased about 2 mpg.
Average fuel price for the trip was 1.70/gallon (for regular, remember).
Flying J consistently had the lowest prices on the Interstate.
This price ranged from about $1.50 in TX to $1.94 in WV.
I kept my eye on diesel prices, and the diesel figures changed accordingly, of course.
The difference between prices in West Virginia to South Carolina was a startling and welcome one.
David Clark
Cochran, Ga. |
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (67.136.113.168)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 4:57 am: | |
It's not only gas that we are in trouble with.
I went to buy steel for my conversion and was told that they can't get many standard sizes such as 2"x2"x3/16" & 1/4" angle, something about it was all send abroad to China and they are so far behind on the manufacture we will have to wait for them to mine it!!!!!
They built a gas fired generating plant near us that demands huge amounts of water for cooling. The supervisors signed us up for this commitment without any vote. Apparently there is a perfectly good system available which uses very little water, and we live in a desert, where water is a premium!!!!!
Sitting in a storage yard in town is a brand new power station. Yes a full sized power generating plant able to send power to the National Grid. This is the second place it has been moved to and not erected. I saw them framing covers over the parts today, it has been here over a year already.
Peter. |
NEO/Russ (66.83.53.142)
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I run a manufacturing plant that produces steel components for the light trailer industry. We, like many other manufacturers, are now on an allocation for steel, in other words "U.S. small businesses can't grow, there's no material". Since October we also have been hit by increases averaging 42% for hot rolled, pickled and oiled coils and over 60% on some other steel materials; does that sound like "putting money back in the pockets of our administrators buddies rather than pulling together to fix this mess? To me it echoes the fuel cartel within our borders getting their share before the public wakes up.
So when the inflationary spiral starts skyrocketing, and it will, because we must raise prices to survive just like everyone else in business - hang on ....... especially those of you full timers on a fixed income.
By the way, our D.O.T. just released this report;
"The average retail price for diesel dropped 0.6 cents last week to $1.718, according to the Department of Energy. That breaks a six-week, 10.7-cent rising trend since March 15.
The Rocky Mountains is the only region that posted an increase, with a 4.1-cent hike to $1.876 per gallon.
The Lower Atlantic region showed the largest drop, as well as the lowest average price, posting 1.3 cents and $1.611 per gallon, respectively. California once again is the most expensive region in which to buy diesel, at $2.247 per gallon." |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.61.132)
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And Dubya NERO fiddles away!!!!!! |
john wood (209.137.231.93)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 11:04 am: | |
Luke;
As to conservation, I agree with you in substance...... BUT one thing that will throw a BIG monkey wrench into anything we can do about the oil problem is the fact that China is just barely starting to get into an industrial revolution (as we did 100+ years ago) that will dwarf ours. Picture if you will several billion people buying ANY oil products. Even if they all bought a quart of kerosene for a lantern, it would cause a world wide shortage the likes of which have never been seen.
We need to get real about the environment. This means use some common sense about extraction of our own natural resources. It also means getting behind atomic energy! If we were to replace all the oil and natural gas fired power plants, we could probably come close to surviving on our own North American oil and gas production.
The other thing that would help is if every home and business in the country had a Heat recovery ventilator. These guys can save up to 85% of the energy used to heat and A/C the ventilation air required by code. Right now, businesses are conditioning the air and then dumping it overboard at the mandated rate of 20cfm per person.
At Our low NW power costs, 1200cfm x 12 hrs per day x 200 days per year use of a HRV would save about $1,100.00 in direct costs for energy. Multiply this times however millions of business and commercial buildings and feel the crunch. |
NEO/Russ (66.83.53.142)
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John,
When I was going through college I can still remember a professor explaining that we shouldn't worry about the Japanese stealing out business they were just a flash in the pan, because first the other small Asian countries with cheap and plentiful labor would take there place and finally China would control the world for centuries. Well it's happening, but sooner than he forecast. I also remember in the early 90's when I worked for Brunswick Corp. they had a master plan to make a fortune in China selling bowling alleys because China was like the U.S. in the 50's. I asked our experts "why would they bowl when today there are a lot more options like, TV, toys, cars, etc. than we had in the 50's?" It was like I said the Emperor had no clothes. They went ahead and Brunswick has done fair but never have sold the fortune in alleys like they forecast.
What we don't realize is that China is huge, it has 107 cities with over one million people - that folks is a lot of labor and a gigantic consumer ready to buy anything and everything, and with a government that protects it.
We are following the path of England, remember folks the sun never set on British soil? We need leaders that are business experts, not good old boys, spoiled rich kids and lawyers. We have perhaps 25-50 years that we can hold the lead in world economy, IF we conserve, wise up, stop the corporations from being greedy and start working together. How; the recent investigations into fraud and corruption, tax breaks for business to expand, banking regulations that promote business expansion, infusion of money into our own developments, staying out of the business of other people or countries that don't ask for us and I agree with your comments about energy savings and inventions - Atomic energy should be mandatory ...................... I'm just afraid it's too little too late. |
Paul Tillmann (Paultillmann) (24.105.194.23)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 7:08 pm: | |
I don’t blame the oil companies, auto manufacturers or the gov’t for the amount of fuel we use in this country, I blame the American people for being so enamored with driving huge 10-13 MPG 4X4 (in Florida!?!?) SUVs around to buy groceries or whatever. I can’t tell you how many of these behemoths (Suburbans, Excursions, Expeditions, etc.) I see riding around NY with just ONE person it!! Or buying a 12,000 square foot house for three people!! I don’t care how well the house is insulated, it uses a lot of energy. Luke’s got it right. If we ALL would conserve the prices would come down. I’m trying to do my part with my 50 MPG VW TDI and I used less than 300 gallons of fuel oil this past winter at my house by using a kerosene heater. I normally use close to 600 gallons. |
john wood (209.137.231.79)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 4:23 pm: | |
Glad to hear you are doing your part with the auto. Now... Have you done your part with replacing the fuel gobbling water heater and furnace (close to 50% of the energy consumption in the USA) in your home or place of business? Have you "tightened up" your buildings to reduce infiltration? (30 to 50% of the heat loss!!) |
daddytocool (209.137.231.73)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 7:01 pm: | |
i say if the gov't won't put these greedy oil companies in there place, just start buying red fuel if you can. if there is such a shortage i think the gov can sacrifice some tax revenue . my state sits at .54cents per gal . what do you think ? |
John Rigby (24.174.238.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 7:48 am: | |
1.49 at Flying J in Orange today.
Gas in Englang today $6.50 gallon.
.50 cent to the oil company $6.00 TAX.
John |
Jimmci9 (209.240.205.68)
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super unleaded gas here in Houston is $1.999.....at the 'neighborhood' convienince store... its kinda hanging there... but i feel its going over $2...diesel is $1.62.... i need something cheap to drive!!! |
Johnny (4.174.112.189)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 9:38 pm: | |
I have to say, filling my F-350 from the heating oil tank is looking mighty good about now...I just saw regular gas (87) for $1.999/gallon. |