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| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 468 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
When I hook my new generator up am I better off connecting the two reds to the hot on the30 amp plug 120 volt or one to each side of the 240 volt. I seem to have two reds two whites and a green. Wire. I may have a black but I'm not sure. | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 1279 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.37.28.23 Rating: N/A |
Tom, Remembering your previous post concerning: "...what keeps the generator from feeding the shore cord..." etc, and that we haven't heard you've figured it out, and that "the inverter burned up," and you "spanned the relay," the only advice I feel comfortable giving right now, is that you take your bus to a QUALIFIED RV electrician! A residential electrician that does nothing besides pulling Romex in houses is NOT qualified to properly set up a transfer system between generator, shore and inverter. It can be argued that you could do all of this with one of the much better RV specific inverters, which will handle all of the switching and isolation between power sources, and at the same time provide proper ground and neutral connections and charge the batteries while on shore or gen. We don't even know where your "I seem to have two reds two whites and a green...I may have a black but I'm not sure" wires come from or are attached to, or what size they are. All of this is VERY important! There are way too many variables, including: 1. How the generator is designed to be connected. 2. How your bus panel is built, with one bus bar or two. 3. How the inverter fed the panel. 4. What size of panel your bus has. 5. How the shore power, generator, and inverter were (or weren't) separated. 6. From what you said before about "the inverter only had DC and 120 VAC," means there had to be some other way of isolating power sources, or the reason the inverter burned up was because it was back-fed from the shore or gen. Sorry, but now you have a big homework assignment, but if you get an A, it will keep you and yours alive! G | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 470 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
sorry the wire were connected to the old generator.the 2 reds were on separate breakers i will assume there was one white for each/ and the green was the ground. i will have to check for a black but i don't really think there is one there. when i am on shore i get no back-feeding in those wires.at this point i have no inverter but i think i may of wrangled a new one for free as the generator came doa and they will be sending another,i told them i wanted a 5000 watt inverter for all my trouble.the geni was getting no power to the fuel pump. we tried back and forth to repair it but could not,i know how to fix it though but i don't want a geni that has had a problem, it even came without a hose clamp installed on the fuel line so i know there is a problem with q-c. | ||
| Jim Wallin (Powderseeker01)
Registered Member Username: Powderseeker01 Post Number: 120 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 97.96.60.12  Rating: N/A |
For a bus/rv application the neutral and ground connections need to be switched with the hot leads. Sean has detailed this configuration before, perhaps he will chime in or someone can point you to his previous posting on this topic | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 471 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
Ther were a bunch of seiches leads in the bus awhile ago and nothing would run properly.one ac. Unit was proper the other was not.this dose not sound kosher? | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 472 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
Should read switched | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 473 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
here is where it gets interesting. the red goes to black the green to green and the white to white the other white and the other red are capped off. the wire coming from the box is marked generator so there must be a relay hiding somewhere? | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1278 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 67.142.130.13  Rating: N/A |
Thomas, When we discussed this in the other thread, I told you that you needed to trace the wires until you find the device where shore and generator power come together. There is no getting around this. There are no shortcuts -- you must trace them until you find every junction box and device. Otherwise, there is just no way to tell you what you have or which color should go to what. I'd hate for you to let the magic smoke out of your brand new generator, or, worse, get hurt, by guessing at how to do this. Also, we'll need to see the manual or wiring diagram for the new generator to be able to say anything at all about how to hook it up. It is surprising to me that there are two red wires (it's usually one red and one black), but if the generator is set up for 240, it is quite likely that connecting the two reds together will fry the set. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 474 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
The Honda had two wires not the new one.only one was connected the other was terminated at the junction. The only place anything might be would be in back of the fuse box under the stove. I will look there tonight | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 475 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
b t w the new generator came doa i played with it while on the phone to the company for 3 days,they are sending a new one as soon as i send the old one back,this may be hard as the shipper dose not have a lift-gate,we got it off ok on to my wheelchair lift but i am 2 feet lower than the rear of his truck and this pig weighs 380 lbs.....i found that i have a magnetek 80 to switch between the generator and the shore power.... thanks everyone for your help. | ||
| L James Jones Jr (Jamo)
Registered Member Username: Jamo Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 74.71.223.213  Rating: N/A |
This kind of stuff really gets me going. All this Chinese junk we have to deal with now in the building industry, we buy it (or the customer does), install it, and find it doesn't work...most of the time it seems. No problem with the store taking it back and swapping it out, but then you have to remove, roadtrip, reinstall and hope it works this time. Can't charge the customer (unless they bought it) for my time. I have a problem with swapping for the same POS...the engineering, reverse or their own, is no better on the second or third POS you get. This is happening waaay too much lately. Thanks for winding me up this AM Thomas. Maybe I'll have a beer instead of another coffee, eh?? | ||
| L James Jones Jr (Jamo)
Registered Member Username: Jamo Post Number: 205 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 74.71.223.213 Rating: N/A |
Wow, got so wound up I forgot why I was posting. Sorry. If the generator was put on a credit card, maybe you can tell the seller to come and get it on their time, or you will dispute the charge on your CC. | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 476 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
in order to ship it back i have to remove all the fuel, slight problem it wont come out. i have removed the hose from the tank and used a squeeze bulb but there is still an inch or so left. | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 482 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
waited all day and the shipping company never came, i called them half an hour ago and they said the guy was too busy to stop here, maybe tommorrrow. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 2138 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
wick it out with strips of cloth/ rags. Stick part into tank till it absorbs and then remove and wring out/repeat or use dry strip/repeat.Pieces of new cellulose sponge with a coat hanger or small dia wire wrapped around it will also work fine. | ||
| thomas flocks (Taflocks)
Registered Member Username: Taflocks Post Number: 484 Registered: 9-2009 Posted From: 67.253.124.108 Rating: N/A |
too much trouble and i am not getting paid to do this. i disconnected the hose's and filled the tank with soapy water. nice and clean and i kept the filter housing as it was full of diesel. | ||
| George M. Todd (George_todd)
Registered Member Username: George_todd Post Number: 1286 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 99.37.28.23 Rating: N/A |
Well, From the "Ramsond" posts, now we see why I wasn't comfortable giving electrical advice here, AND why I said to take it to a QUALIFIED electrician!!! Notice also that there wasn't any advice from anyone else either, except that "...you MUST verify this, and can't ASSUME anything." This is a case where being right isn't something I'm proud of. By the way, a 5000 Watt 12 Volt inverter doesn't exist, maybe because its DC current draw would exceed 416 Amps? G (Message edited by George todd on September 10, 2011) |