| Author | Message | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 97 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250  Rating: N/A |
Hey juys give me some feed back on this please A good friend of mine just bought a GM bus with an 8 71 some one has convinced him to use 15 40 oil Good or bad what damage can it do Please help me show the correct oil | ||
| Sam Summers (Greyghost)
Registered Member Username: Greyghost Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2011 Posted From: 166.181.2.40  Rating: N/A |
Look at the posting from March 21st | ||
| Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
Registered Member Username: Bill_gerrie Post Number: 550 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.198.139.38  Rating: N/A |
Jim DO NOT let him use that oil. It is always straight 40 wt. Some in hot places use 30 wt. Many years ago I remember the local DD dealer saying that when a 2 stroke came in for warranty work the first thing they look for was piston scuff. It is the sure sign the owner used a multi grade of engine oil. If they found scuff the warranty was void. Bill | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 2122 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.89.176.7  Rating: N/A |
Is the good article about oil in the 2-strokes on the tejas site? Basically, a multi-grade oil, which is ultimately thin, can't manage to stay where it should in a 2-stroke, being forced out, allowing metal to metal contact in ways a straight 40wt, which is ultimately thicker, won't allow. That, and low ash content, but that bit has been taken care of by the emissions formulations to protect the DPF (diesel particulate filter). And I'm sure my friend Bill meant to say that folks in COLD places use 30wt, or in HOT places use 50wt. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 687 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120  Rating: N/A |
The engine will also drink larger quantities of multi grade. A good DD 2 stroke spec oil is the right "motion lotion" for our "screamin' Jimmies". You just have to stockpile it as you'll not find in WalMart or truck stops. DD shops and oil distributors are good places. SOMETIMES NAPA or similar will have some if there are some of the old beasts living nearby. | ||
| Steven Foster (57_gmc)
Registered Member Username: 57_gmc Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 24.151.174.38  Rating: N/A |
That 40 wt is hard to find in small town like ours. But I did find the strait 40 at Auto Zone by Castrol. It only comes in qt size, but it takes a while to pour it up. Just little info. | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 556 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Castrol straight 40 might not be the cf2 rating that you need. It will more likely say sj4. When I was in Dallas, I wanted to leave with fresh CF2 oil in the crankcase. Could not find it anywhere, so I phoned the Detroit dealer and asked for two stroke oil, so the fellow says give me your no and I will callyou back after I check with the fellow that looks after the 8v92's. Hecalls back and says you need sj4 rated. I am not making this up!!!!. So in the end I went to the dealer and got the right stuff after insisting that it had to be cf2 rated. Fellows, the amount of ignorance out there is unreal, and this is at a Detroit dealer, can you imagine what it is elsewhere? When I got stranded in Malta Montana, I coasted into a bulk fuel/oil dealership with lots of room when the engine stopped. This is a very small town, but this business had 6 tenthousand gallon tanks of lubricating oil where they package their own label and distribute all across northern Montana and washington state. It was a sight to be hold to see Cf2 5gallon pales stacked floor to ceiling. My recommendation would be, when you find some, buy it and store it then you wont be scratching your head when you need it, because I think the return will be better than money in the bank. See what happens when you have a glass of wine late in the evening. | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 557 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Both Wallmart and even Canadian Tire had it on sale locally here last week. 52 canuckies for a 20 liter pale. About 5.3 US gallons | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1591 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.5.151  Rating: N/A |
Rotella T in 40 wt is CF2 approved ( on the label)and is at every NAPA , and most other stores. The 5 gal pails are easiest to pay for , but transferring it to a gal container makes changes , and refills easier. FF | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 557 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.5.35  Rating: N/A |
We get ours at "FleetFarm" store. I don't know if you have a franchise or something similar around you but my they have HD 30 and HD 40 says right on the five gallons pails its for heavy duty diesel applications. John | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1273 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 184.10.191.147 Rating: N/A |
I have a friend in Mesa AZ a tour operator he ran 15/40 in his 6V92's and the 740 in his fleet of Eagles. I was with him when we took the bus to WW Williams for engine work Bill the guy at Williams laughed and told Mike see I told you 15/40 would do that and it is a shame about the engine with only 435,000 miles just think how long it would have lasted with 40w we all had a big laugh | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 710 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 98.20.62.44  Rating: N/A |
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001637175.cfm?x=b11,0,w It won't be long before we have to either look for CH/CI 4 rated oil or go back to the original DD spec which was a non detergent oil. | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1274 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 184.10.191.147 Rating: N/A |
Good old Gulf Lube or RPM huh Dallas,I never bit on the Delo 100 hype those engines were around 30 years before the Delo 100 lol | ||
| Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
Registered Member Username: Bill_gerrie Post Number: 551 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.198.139.38 Rating: N/A |
Buswarrior I must have been sleeping on that one. You are right. 30 wt in cold climates. You knew what I meant anyway. Luvrbus I have heard of some running multi grade without problems but I always remember hearing the affects of it from DD dealer. I wouldn't want to take the chance with my engine. Too costly to repair and Murphys law says if problems occur it will occur with my engine. Bill | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 391 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 74.41.14.235  Rating: N/A |
Napa 24 hours in advance and they will have it, just ask in your town. O Rielly's if you have one will have it in stock or can get it for you any size 1 gallon or 5 gallons in 48 hours or less. Chevron distribution station will have it or can get it for you 24 hours in 1 gallon, 5 gallons or 55 gallon drums, but they will tell you they will only carry it for 1 more year and they are discontinuing it but I think that is because of the emission laws that were about to start and then got held up. Prices have been from 12.00 a gallon up to 20.00 per gallon depending on where I went. Delo 100 Chromie | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1593 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.5.151 Rating: N/A |
"HD 30 and HD 40 says right on the five gallons pails its for heavy duty diesel applications." "Heavy Duty Diesel" is like Hi Fi was 50 years ago, meaningless. DD sez CF2 , and that IS the specification required. FF | ||
| Steven Foster (57_gmc)
Registered Member Username: 57_gmc Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 24.151.174.38 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the info and help. Our NAPA had to order it but I got the Rotella T-1 40 weight which is the cf rated. Price here in Tenn. is 15.50 per Gal. Maybe this will get me a millon miles LOL. Thanks Steve | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 711 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 98.20.62.44 Rating: N/A |
Clifford, I remember putting whatever was handy in those engines and they ran just fine. Mind you, I think I'm about 30 years younger than you, but when I was a wee thing I was the oil monkey on our logging trucks and if we didn't have RPM Delo I would use whatever was available. The original specs for the DD didn't require special oil until the late 60's. On one thing though, I have seen the multi viscosity oils pour through the rings on a lot of the DD's. I don't know for a fact, and have no way of checking, but I remember when we rebuilt an engine we had to wait for the carbon to build up on the rings, liners and pistons for it to stop burning oil. Sometimes it would take 20K miles, sometimes 100K miles... but they would always stop. With the newer multiviscosity oils, I've always thought the detergents scrubbed so well that the rings couldn't seat. | ||
| Bob McSeveney (Scout70)
Registered Member Username: Scout70 Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 146.129.252.126  Rating: N/A |
I have a 1973 MCI Challenger 5B which is routinely serviced by Southern Oregon Diesel. They advised to use Delo 100 40wt in my 8V71. The oil is a little hard to get in the Seattle area. | ||
| Larry & Lynne Dixon (Larry_d)
Registered Member Username: Larry_d Post Number: 347 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 50.39.221.113  Rating: N/A |
Bob Try out of Seattle and go to one of the smaller distributors seems in Oregon that is the way it is. We found it that way on our trip eas and south also/ Larry | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1594 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.5.151 Rating: N/A |
"I don't know for a fact, and have no way of checking, but I remember when we rebuilt an engine we had to wait for the carbon to build up on the rings, liners and pistons for it to stop burning oil" More likely the dings were seating , which does take a while. New computer selected parts and machine assembled new engines take closer to 50,000 to wear in.But the better ones will run 1,000,000 with ease! Ever notice even a new econobox needs no "break in"? FF | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 691 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120 Rating: N/A |
Part of the reason they need no break in is that water that they call oil these days. I've seen thicker Tequila. We used to break a gas car engine in on 20wt non detergent. Now everything uses 5-20wt. That's pretty much a 10wt with thinners & thickeners. | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 99 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250 Rating: N/A |
Hey guys I am running 10-30 in my 502 in the Rambler. started with 5-30 Tequila is thicker | ||
| Douglas Tappan (Dougthebonifiedbusnut)
Registered Member Username: Dougthebonifiedbusnut Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 98.216.80.83  Rating: N/A |
The more I read about DD's, the more I like my Cummins | ||
| Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
Registered Member Username: Barn_owl Post Number: 725 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 153.2.246.32  Rating: N/A |
I wouldn't break my neck to find Delo when there are many other brands that fill the requirements every bit as well. Find an oil distributer in your area and as stated you should find plenty of whatever you use. I bought a 55 gal drum of oil for my bus for ~$250. Yes I got a good deal; they over-filled an order for a customer from a bulk tank into 55 gal drums and didn't want to put it back. I would randomly check in with them and got to know a sales person who knew what I was looking for. Long story just to say "get to know someone in the business". | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1276 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 184.10.191.147 Rating: N/A |
I have a real good friend that rebuilds the DD 2 strokes he uses Amsoil 15/40 synthetic in his 8v92 and loves it top that one lol good luck | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 558 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Synthetic in a two stroke? A friend of mine tried using 0/40 syn and got two blocks when things cratered. Clifford how many miles has he gotten thus far? | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1277 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 184.10.191.147 Rating: N/A |
He probably has about 30,000 miles on it now he is on this board. FWIW Cole Davenport never ran anything but Royal Purple 40W( it was approved by DD) in his 8v92 from day one he had 385,000 on it when he removed it from his Eagle to install a 625 hp series 60 and B500 he was VP of Stewart and Stevenson good luck | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1595 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 76.192.5.151 Rating: N/A |
"it was approved by DD" Sez it all. | ||
| ned sanders (Uncle_ned)
Registered Member Username: Uncle_ned Post Number: 115 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 74.235.136.192 Rating: N/A |
Clifford I believe that friend that uses 15/40 Amsoil spent the weekend with me this summer. One of the best Detroit men around. Also a super friend. Maybe because I have not really met you. Probly in the same class. uncle ned | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 559 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Here is my chance to put in a unabashed plug for Ezzies wholesale for those that are in northern Montana and Washington State. These are the folks that I referred to in my above post of Sept 15 205am. They were extremely helpfull during my predicament and even gave me the use of one of their vehicles. Joe. | ||
| Tom Christman (Tchristman)
Registered Member Username: Tchristman Post Number: 336 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.218.33.156 Rating: N/A |
I always carry 12 gal of 40 weight with me just in case. Then refill when I get home. Good Luck, TomC | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 562 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Tom Are you on that long a journey that you need to carry 12 gallons? Or do change oil when half way home? Enquiring mind would like to know. | ||
| Tom Christman (Tchristman)
Registered Member Username: Tchristman Post Number: 337 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.218.33.156 Rating: N/A |
Joe-like what happened a few years ago-in California on highway 299 from Redding to Eureka and my remote oil filter broke off oiling up the road really nice. I had a Detroit familiar mechanic come out from Eureka to fix it and had the 8 gallons that was pumped out onto the roadway. After that experience-always carry enough oil to do an oil change. For me, just convenient to carry 12gal. If you live near a coast with commercial boat port nearby, you shouldn't have too much problems finding the straight 40 weight since there are still thousands of 2 stroke engines being used in boats. I found a great oil dealer in Long Beach, Ca that will refill your buckets of oil with their own oil for much cheaper (can't remember the exact amount) then Delo oil. Good Luck, TomC | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 698 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120 Rating: N/A |
I usually put 12 gallons on board as that is 2 milk crates with 6 gallon jugs each. Just easier than pails. | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 564 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Now that I know the story, it makes good sense. Joe. | ||
| Jason Simons (Bigblock01)
Registered Member Username: Bigblock01 Post Number: 47 Registered: 6-2008 Posted From: 174.252.162.63  Rating: N/A |
Fixing to change oil in our eagle 6v92ta going to use delo 400 sae 40 it says cf rated thats what our napa had on hand like rotella better I guess delo 400 is ok? | ||
| Tom Christman (Tchristman)
Registered Member Username: Tchristman Post Number: 338 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.218.33.156 Rating: N/A |
Delo 400 straight 40 weight is fine for 2 stroke turbo engines. Good Luck, TomC |