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| Jim and Myrna Lawrence (Daffycanuck)
Registered Member Username: Daffycanuck Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 142.165.85.19  Rating: N/A |
My 466DT International engine developed a knock on our last trip. We did end up driving it 900 miles with the knock not getting worse. I decided to take it to the local Truck repair shop. I wanted to know what the knock was. They started out rebuilding the Injectors, then then dismantled the rocker arm assembly. The knock remained. Then they removed the engine, then the transmission.....long story short, I'm into them for 22.5 hours before I found out the cause of the knock....it is a collapsed piston. All the wet sleeves are loose, so I decided to purchase a long block (rebuilt) and delivered it today. My question here is to ask knowledgeable people how long it would normally take to diagnose, remove, transfer accessories and replace a diesel inline six in a bus? I know its hard to answer, but I'm looking for a general idea. I personally am having a hard time accepting the time charged so far (22.5 hours) to diagnose and remove this engine. I may be out to lunch on this, so please set me straight!! Thanks all. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 2172 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
the time sounds about right for all the diagnosing and R&R work they did; although I don't know what is involved in removing your particular power train. Working on that engine in the coach takes more time than doing the same work in a medium duty truck, where you can tilt open the front end, completely exposing the engine.BTW, what is the labor rate? $120 per hour? OUCH!! | ||
| Larry & Lynne Dixon (Larry_d)
Registered Member Username: Larry_d Post Number: 351 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 50.39.221.113  Rating: N/A |
Jim Two years ago I lost an oil pump gear in an 8V71, 4905. They pulled the engine and 730, replaced the oil pump gear and most of the lower end, checked tranny while out. New hoses and anything else needed. The wanted $8500 I told him he could just keep the coach. Talked some more amd cost somewhere under $6500. Still high but all I could talk him down. This was at DD dealer in Tulsa. OH I was there nine days. Long way from home to scream much. Larry | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 77 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.48.180 Rating: N/A |
they probably removed the engine and the transmission together, then split them. It's a shame they started with the obvious stuff and in the end it was a deeper problem, but I would have done the same thing. 22.5 hours seems reasonable for what's been done to me, and probably at least that to disassemble the old long block, move everything over and put it back in. That's if the engine you bought is the correct configuration with all the drives correct, etc. I just did that on an 8V-71, probably I have 200 hours in it. Nothing was right on my new block, everything had to be changed. Brian | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 963 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15  Rating: |
22 hours is about what I charged for when doing a removal of the power train and 1 cylinder head and then the replacement of both.... . . on a 1963 Turbo Corvair.... which is tons lighter & easier to work on.... fwiw | ||
| Jim and Myrna Lawrence (Daffycanuck)
Registered Member Username: Daffycanuck Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 142.165.85.19 Rating: N/A |
Guess I got my answers. Thanks for the input. I'm looking forward to the start up and heading for Southern US for winter. | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1554 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 76.4.122.151  Rating: N/A |
Brian did you have the block backwards?? LOL It must have been from a non-bus application?? Gomer | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 965 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15 Rating: |
Word has it that the block in question was NASA surplus... meant for a Diesel powered Shuttle that never panned out, I guess they never figured out how to prevent the oil leakage from becoming rain... | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.48.180 Rating: N/A |
The engine I got (8V71T, 405 hp gross) started life in a M110 self-propelled howitzer, I got it as a factory refresh that had been sold off as surplus, stored and never used. It had to come down to a long block, pan off, front and rear engine plates off, change the oil cooler, did not take the heads or blower off but that's about all that stayed on. I had to move the turbo, so there was a lot of fabricating of intake and exhaust manifolds and plumbing. It's now in my MC-5C, looks good in there too. Install is 95% done, I have to install a new throttle cable, maybe this weekend, tweak the tune-up a bit, and figure out why it won't shift out of reverse. If anyone has questions about putting a NATO engine in a bus, I have some of the answers... Brian | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.48.180 Rating: N/A |
BTW, as a loud and proud ex-gunner - Artilleryman - it's NOT a "tank engine". it's a GUN engine!  Brian | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 729 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 75.91.193.12  Rating: N/A |
Hmmm, Brian, I was taught in the service: This is my weapon, This is my gun! One is for killing, The gun is for FUN! | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 80 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.48.180 Rating: N/A |
Well, a "gun" is either a howitzer or a smooth-bore hand held weapon, is what I was taught. We sure got in trouble if we called a rifle (we had 7.62 mm FN-C1 rifles as our basic personal weapon) a gun. But the official rank held by a qualified private in the Artillery (in Canada or Britian, at least) is "Gunner". I was a "Master Bombadier", or Master-Corporal, second non-commissioned rank above private. | ||
| Brian Evans (Bevans6)
Registered Member Username: Bevans6 Post Number: 81 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 65.92.48.180 Rating: N/A |
And, for the Kipling lovers among us - behold! (a "screw-gun is a howizter with a screw breech) - Brian (I remember the smell of cordite in the morning sometimes...) SCREW-GUNS Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin' cool, I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule, With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets -- 'Tss! 'Tss! For you all love the screw-guns -- the screw-guns they all love you! So when we call round with a few guns, o' course you will know what to do -- hoo! hoo! Jest send in your Chief an' surrender -- it's worse if you fights or you runs: You can go where you please, you can skid up the trees, but you don't get away from the guns! They sends us along where the roads are, but mostly we goes where they ain't: We'd climb up the side of a sign-board an' trust to the stick o' the paint: We've chivied the Naga an' Looshai, we've give the Afreedeeman fits, For we fancies ourselves at two thousand, we guns that are built in two bits -- 'Tss! 'Tss! For you all love the screw-guns . . . If a man doesn't work, why, we drills 'im an' teaches 'im 'ow to behave; If a beggar can't march, why, we kills 'im an' rattles 'im into 'is grave. You've got to stand up to our business an' spring without snatchin' or fuss. D'you say that you sweat with the field-guns? By God, you must lather with us -- 'Tss! 'Tss! For you all love the screw-guns . . . The eagles is screamin' around us, the river's a-moanin' below, We're clear o' the pine an' the oak-scrub, we're out on the rocks an' the snow, An' the wind is as thin as a whip-lash what carries away to the plains The rattle an' stamp o' the lead-mules -- the jinglety-jink o' the chains -- 'Tss! 'Tss! For you all love the screw-guns . . . There's a wheel on the Horns o' the Mornin', an' a wheel on the edge o' the Pit, An' a drop into nothin' beneath you as straight as a beggar can spit: With the sweat runnin' out o' your shirt-sleeves, an' the sun off the snow in your face, An' 'arf o' the men on the drag-ropes to hold the old gun in 'er place -- 'Tss! 'Tss! For you all love the screw-guns . . . Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin' cool, I climbs in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule. The monkey can say what our road was -- the wild-goat 'e knows where we passed. Stand easy, you long-eared old darlin's! Out drag-ropes! With shrapnel! Hold fast -- 'Tss! 'Tss! For you all love the screw-guns -- the screw-guns they all love you! So when we take tea with a few guns, o' course you will know what to do -- hoo! hoo! Jest send in your Chief an' surrender -- it's worse if you fights or you runs: You may hide in the caves, they'll be only your graves, but you can't get away from the guns! | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 732 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 75.91.193.12 Rating: N/A |
Hee Hee.... We were the U.S.'s "Today's Action Army"! I still enjoy the smell of the cordite, and once in awhile when the wind is just right, a good whiff comes wafting in from Ft. Hood, 50 miles to the NW. Of course, sometimes it also brings the tear jerking smell of CS gas when they have that training. But then Rudyard Kipling was a good man wi' pen or sword, or even Enfield! Oh, yeah, the gun was only used with the litle brown sisters or when in the real world, on liberty over the weekend. (Message edited by Dallas on October 07, 2011) |
