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| mark (216.239.160.71) Rating: |
I'm wondering if anybody has tried the 18 x 18 inch sticky-back carpet squares as a headliner material? I have heard that the glue must be able to take the heat that can develope at the ceiling. Has anybody tried this type of product? The biggest advantage would be the ease of installation. Thanks mark 75 gillig 636D | ||
| TWO DOGS (63.185.97.159) Rating: N/A |
I have thought about haveing it done by a carpet installer....they have LOTS better glue....they charge by the square yard....really, not many square yards up there..........sound deadining & insulation should be good.... | ||
| Ace (24.28.44.58) Rating: N/A |
I AM a carpet contractor and I would talk you out of it. For one you will NEVER be able to keep it clean especially if you smoke and two, we wouldn't charge you by the yard. That's only done IN a house where it's a normal install! A ceiling is far from normal and it would cost you way more than normal yardage installation fees as does ANY custom install! This usually holds true in ANY state because I have many friends that are in the trade and they all feel the same way! Get yourself some vinyl or naugehyde (sp) or even a finished wood product to put on the ceiling. Make sure you insulate prior and you will be glad you strayed from the carpet squares or ANY fabric material! HTH Ace | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.48.197)
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It really is not hard to do yourself, with a helper; 2 helpers better yet. You can buy Ozite type carpet from a lot of sources @2.50-3.50/yd. Go to an upholstery shop and get vinyl top contact adhesive, the spray type. Comes in gallons, made by WeldWood (very much the same as you buy at the building supply stores like HD, except it is a little thinner) costs abt. $20 gal. and you will need abt. 2 gal for the average bus cieling. Get an old cheapie standard spray gun, spray about 3' of the carpet and the cieling for starters, get that area set straight and square to the sides, and proceed down thru the bus in that fashion. You can split it into areas if you have crosswalls and have plenty a fresh blades for a couple of razor knives to trip out. Also, you have to drape the sidewalls and any other area you don't want coverd because the stuff sort of cobwebs as you spray. | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.48.197)
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Ace: I agree that it is a custom job and will cost considerably more to hire done, if u can even find a flooring contractor to touch it. However, I disagree to avoid it. All cielings need to be cleaned, even if u don't smoke. I had carpeted cielings in my 2 previous Motor Homes, my Grumman, and now my Neoplan. Can't be beat for sound deadening (sp), looks very nice, covers up a multitude of mistakes and dings, and with the proper cleaning equipment, cleans up just as good and fast as anything else. Naugahide is nice, but sort of old-fashion IMHO, and is a lot of work to install, especially if your talking pleated cross seams. Wood, or other solid products, are about the poorest thing I can think of--leaves u living in an echo chamber. Just my opinion and taste. | ||
| CoryDane RTSII (66.155.188.213) Rating: N/A |
I don't think it is such a bad idea. I will be gluing some acoustical tiles up in a room or two. I think the sound deadening and a minor insulation quality will be beneficial as well as a fresh look. "Imagine" cd | ||
| FAST FRED (4.245.191.211) Rating: N/A |
Getting them stuck in place isn't the question, How can you clean them is! Never cook & only eat in resturants? (The bride may LOVE that!) Anyone who has seen a grease stained diner overhead may be wondering. No question a really fine powerfull vent over the range gets Most of the cooking spray , but fat globules can float in the air for long distances before perminant landing on the overhead rug. FAST FRED | ||
| John the newguy (199.232.240.69) Rating: N/A |
Fire retardant? What's the total weight? Hey, how about an unexpected leak and the consequential water absorption? After full timing in two different commercially built "stick & staple" motorhomes, I would not recommend putting anything absorbent on the ceiling or walls... Or the floor, for that matter..... The smoother the surface, the easier to clean and maintain. | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.69) Rating: N/A |
Oh, hey.. Home Depot has solid white/textured Fiberglas 4x8 sheets for about $20 each. They sell 8' strips that will fill the gap between the joints for about $2 each. The sheets need little fastening, since once bent into position on the ceiling they will nearly hold themselves up. Pop-rivets and a drill are all you'd need. To deaden roof noise, I would prefer to use a rubber roof coating on the exterior. It's 100% easier to apply, less expensive and offers great insulation as well. Most all new commercially built RVs have it now. | ||
| mclough (65.142.133.1)
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All of you have good idea's. ultimatly mark its your coach and you have to do what you like. my 57 4104 has carpet, and i am now replacing the carpet with other carpet. its easy to install. but i also was at a nascar race in NC and saw a similar 4104 that had the fiberglass panels and it had a clean cool look.(but ill bet was a tougher install). morgan clough Outreachacrossamerica.com | ||
| Jim Ashworth (Jimnh) (172.132.18.166)
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John the newguy- You have had plastic motorhomes too long. They all leak. Buses don't if roof items are caulked properly. The original bus roof almost never leaks. Carpet is a good thing for a ceiling. Spray and vac carpet cleaner works fine since there are no dirty, oily footprints on it. I use the fiberglass reinforced panels for the shower ceiling. As you said, it goes up easily and stays up. But for everything else, including walls, I use carpet. The "commercial" carpet avaialble today has an enormous selection as to color, texture and patterns. It is almost as difficult to pick the one you want as it is to decide on which wallpaper to use. Almost too much to choose from. And for the walls, there are no footprints there either, so an occasional vacuuming and an annual "shampooing" works fine, just like on the ceiling. We have an over the cooktop micro/convec oven with the fan exhausting outside and have absolutely no problems with odors from cooking. Even when we smoked, there was no problem as long as we used the Fantastic vents. For a warm, cozy, quiet interior, both emotionally and physically, go for the carpet. Jim | ||
| John that new guy (199.232.244.106) Rating: N/A |
I guess you made some good points, Jim! Down here in Flor-a-duh, "warm and cozy" don't hack it during the daylight hours. Although, up north, where we came from, I would have welcomed that "warm and cozy" feeling. In these warmer climates, it's difficult enough to keep the ants and "bugs" out starting with an open, smooth surface. I imagine carpeting gives them critters plenty of place to hide in - and under. We (wife and I) smoked heavily for years and no-one in the world can ever convince me that the stench and tar doesn't permeate the fibers of rugs and fabric to the extent that it can never be removed. I don't miss the damned butts and would hate to have to live in the stench of it again. I guess we smell it more now that we no longer produce it ourselves. I'm not saying you're wrong in your choice, but the poster was asking for some opinions. You pointed out some good features of using it, but that don't mean there aren't some equally bad features also. I still would prefer a smooth surface inside the rig. Make it "homey" with accessories, plants, curtains and the like; They go into the wash easily. It's easier to wipe down the inside of the rig, than shampoo and vacuum the walls and ceiling. Hell, it's a pain having to do that to the floor! That was why I tore up the rug and used a hardwood floor front to rear. I'll do that again with the bus. It's all a matter of preference; there's no "right" or "wrong". | ||
| Ace (24.28.44.58) Rating: N/A |
Jim YOU may not think it smells but to the guy and his wife your bringing into YOUR conversion to show off YOUR handy work will surely smell the dinner you cooked last night or the butt you puffed on afterwards! We used the fibreglass panels sold at HD in our Eagle and they brought many complements. It was very easy to install as all we did was liquid nail it up to the 3/8 plywood. Made for very easy cleaning and brightness as well! Ace | ||
| TWO DOGS (63.185.73.224) Rating: N/A |
ahhhhh....the good ol' days...when you had an Eagle | ||
| Ace (24.28.44.58) Rating: N/A |
yea dog it wasn't so bad. I started the conversion, I finished it to 98% and I used it twice, then sold it within 6 weeks of advertising it! All done in my driveway with a table saw, jig saw, roto zip, cordless drill, caulking gun, and small hand tools! Yea those were the good ole days alright! Now it's bigger and better!  Ace | ||
| mark (216.239.160.71)
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Thanks, all! I should have realized there would be as many differing opinions on this question as there is on everything else!! What I really wanted to know,(not very clearly asked) will the glue that is already applied to the 'sticky-back' carpet hold up okay? I live in the northwest - super heat is not an issue! Thanks for all the pros and cons! Everybody has pretty valid points, and, as always... DO IT YOUR WAY!! Thanks again mark 75 gillig 636D | ||
| TWO DOGS (65.177.145.237) Rating: N/A |
MARK............... NO | ||
| mark (216.239.160.71) Rating: N/A |
Too Dawgs! Have you tried it for yourself? Or do you know of someone that has? Thanks! Mark 75 gillig 636D S M I L E ! | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.214.146)
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I would agree with Two Dogs. It will not hold it up there. Hell, damn stuff won't even hold it down to the floor and anyone that has ever used them knows it. Yes, I have, on the floor. Tore it out 4 months later, not hard to do since all the corners were already up. |
