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| 4drifter (4.152.207.182) Rating: N/A |
have a jake brake on a 4104 "671 dd"does not work. when the switch is turned on the switch on the govnor sends fire to the engine.can hear it click.do not know how to check it. thanks for all infromation. | ||
| mel 4104 (66.119.33.135) Rating: N/A |
with a jake brake the best thing that you can do is find a GOOD dd guy that knows what he is doingwith a jake as the wrong guy that does not know but says he does will cause you major motor trouble. it is money well spent. not at a shop where they have to look at the book to set it up as the key word here is set up not screw up. i have played with deisel engines for over 40 years and i still take my 4104 with the 6-71 to only one dd shop in the area as the have a wellow that knows how to set it right the first time as he checks it before we leave for long trips every couple years. a little money spent but Big money saved. | ||
| John Rigby (24.174.238.253)
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Mel, I dont know anything about Jakes, but Someone said the other day they stayed away from Jakes on buses, as they were so hard to get too and the parts are easy come loose. John | ||
| mel4104 (216.148.246.134) Rating: N/A |
this is a new one on me John as the reason that they never used jakes on buses was they had drivers that would us then in towns and citys, and the bus comp. did not want the bad poblisity caused by their drivers and the fact that they would have to have a mech. with jake brake exp. at all shops and all deisel meck. are not able to do a jake install or trouble shoot it properly, they may be great on the rest of the engine but not on the jake. south OR. deisel has a meck. and Ted at williams Ca. are very good on jakes and there may be others but have never met them. as to the parts coming loose heck they use jakes in logging truck off road hauling rigs on DD v-12 with out problems and the new buses can be ordered with them. i have had ours for 12 years and still great, the best money that i ever spent on the bus my wife says, and would not be without it. | ||
| Nck Russell (66.82.9.30)
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Contact Terry Bennett at Bennet Bus Works in McMinnville, Tennesse. He installed our jake and is a great guy to work with. Number is 931-815-3080 | ||
| John Rigby (24.174.238.253)
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Nick, I had Terry work on my 04 10 years ago, when he was in Florida. Great Mech for these old buses. What type of bus do you have? John | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.26) Rating: N/A |
I remember when I first starting driving buses in the early 60s, the Trailways trainer (the company I worked for used), instructed not to downgear to slow the bus whenever possible. It annoyed the passengers, made for a jerky ride, and took life off the clutch. I (like most drivers back then), took great pride in being able to put commuters to sleep with a comfortable ride. I imagine the sound of a jake would have really helped that cause. B B BBBRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPP P P P P | ||
| Nick Russell (66.82.9.65)
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John, we have a 1976 MCI 9 with 8V71 Detroit and an Allison 740 automatic. We are fulltimers and have converted it on the roads as we travel. | ||
| Jim-Bob (12.46.52.74) Rating: N/A |
Hey John, I understand Trailway's point of view with comfort for the passengers. But......we just took our 4104 for it's annual vacation in the NC mountains & a set of Jakes would be very comforting to this driver & passenger when we were creeping down our numerous 5 mile 6-9% grades! (And another 100 ponies would be nice for the trips up, too!) | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.61) Rating: N/A |
Yeah, Jim-Bob. I agree and I wouldn't mind having 'em on my bus either. I was just adding my penny's worth to the comments as to why the transportation companies didn't use 'em - Passenger comfort, public relations and probably expense. Hell, some localities have signs telling truckers not to use engine brakes in their area, since they annoy the residents so much; Most buses travel into residential areas daily. | ||
| Johnny (63.186.233.177) Rating: N/A |
If I can't downshift without spilling a full cup of coffee, I need more practice. I ALWAYS downshift to slow down. For some reason, the wrecker I drive has never had brake rotors come off blue from heat.  | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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when we were towed in on Sunday, the guy driving the wrecker only hit his brakes to get to a complete stop. It was jakes all the way. | ||
| Bob (Bobb) (69.19.3.254)
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My bus doesn't have jakes, so sometimes when no one can hear, I make a jake brake sound going down hills. It doesn't really help, but it passes the time. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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Ah, that explains it. the guys in the white coats were just here looking for you. Gary | ||
| Johnny (63.186.233.177) Rating: N/A |
"when we were towed in on Sunday, the guy driving the wrecker only hit his brakes to get to a complete stop. It was jakes all the way." Unfortunately, the wreckers I drive have no Jakes (our big rollback has a gas engine). However, I do downshift, & keep the brakes nice and cool. I look at it like this: every time I downshift to slow down, it's that much harder I can nail the brakes when some clown steps off the curb in front of me. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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the one that towed me on Sunday was as big as I've seen. Little did I know it was not the big one, the big one was in the tow yard shop. Two drive axles and a tag. Very nice. Gary | ||
| Johnny (63.186.233.177) Rating: N/A |
Ah, a semi-wrecker, then. I've seen a couple of Mack, Kenworth, & Peterbilt tri-axles--they're nice (for $150,000+, they'd better be). We don't have any of those, though--mostly pickup-chassis trucks. Our biggest hoist went into service today: a 1979 International S1700 (GVWR 26,000) with a Holmes sling/wheel-lift. It has DT466 power and a Spicer 5-speed & juice brakes. It's a short wheelbase truck (and with 9.00-20 bias-ply tires, rides like an oxcart), but can handle a good-sized truck or a mini-bus (like a cutaway van). Our big rollback is a 1972 Ford F-800, with 361 gas power, a Clark 5-speed, air brakes, 10.00R20 tube tires, no power steering, & GVWR of 31,500. It's slow, noisy, bouncy...and absolutely refuses to wear out, despite our hard use. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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Yeah, he hooked up to my bus, with a loaded U-Haul auto hauler and towed the whole deal. Made many disparaging comments about %@*^%! Busses not having anywhere to tow from though. When he got to the shop, He backed the whole deal into a parking spot, around a corner. Damn showoff. It was a Mack, now that I think of it. the tri-axle was way on the plus side of $150K I'm thinking. Gary | ||
| Johnny (63.186.233.177) Rating: N/A |
I don't think Chuck has $150K in all of the 7 trucks he has. The 2001 F-550 rollback was about $60,000 (ouch), but all the rest are either almost (or well over) 20 years old (1986 F-350, 1987 GMC, 1974 GMC C-35 rollback, 1968 Chevy C-30), or were gotten for almost nothing (1972 F-800, 1979 IH). In fact, he was actually PAID $100 to haul away the F-800. I know he's selling a truck...the NEWEST hoist (1992 F-350 wheel-lift, 460/E4OD, former AAA truck), since it's the most expensive to feed at 4MPG. Old is best. The $150K was a typo--I was trying for $250K. And buses are easy--just wheel-lift them. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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The guy was struggling to get a bite on the axle. we lifted the unit, put blocks under the wheels, then he was able to grab the axle. I want a 5-car car hauler, for my on collection of heaps. Gary |