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Jim Shepherd (Rv_Safetyman) (66.82.9.15)
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Sometime back, I posted a question on one of the boards about mounting systems for a Series 60 in my Eagle. I got a lot of good answers and a few phone calls.
I looked at every bus I could find that came with a series 60 including an Eagle 15. I also looked at various conversions. There were tons of different approaches.
In my search, I contacted Newell Coach (The Premier Coach builder in my opinion), who uses Series 60 in their beautiful coaches. I have decided to use their system. I have documented some of the details and part numbers at my bus project web site:
http://www.rvsafetysystems.com/busproject6.htm
Jim Shepherd
Evergreen, CO
’85 Eagle 10 |
John that newguy (199.232.240.234)
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Of interest -
Newell Coach Corporation
Models: Newell Motor Home Years: 1998-1999
Number Involved: 60
Dates of Manufacture: February 1997 - August 1998
Defect: This recall involves motor homes equipped with Dana
suspensions. A machining operation was omitted from the
suspension pivot arm, causing a restriction in the downward
suspension travel. An interference can occur between the
pivot arm and the upper wishbone. If left unattended, it can
result in deformation and cracking of the upper wishbone
casting.
Remedy: Dealers will replace the upper wishbones that have
any signs of metal-to-metal contact. All pivot arms will
need to be modified whether or not they show signs of metal
contact. Owner notification was to begin Jan. 22, 1999.
Owners who do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time should contact Newell at 1-918-542-3344.
[NHTSA Recall No. 98V314]
There's been a few other recalls concerning Newell, also.
As far as I'm concerned, a stick and staple is a stick and staple
and one's no better than the other.
I guess that's why we're all doing it "our way".
(You're doing a fantastic job, btw!) |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.43.102)
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John: I don't think anybody that knows Newells consider them a stick and staple job. In fact, they have been an inovative leader in the custom built Motorcoach segment. A recall on an IFS component manufactured by another company is hardly cause to condemn Newell so long as they take care of it for their customers. Have u looked in detail at a Newell built since the early 90's. They are anything but your average Fleetwood.
Afterall, MCI produced buses for nearly two decades with inadequate cooling and never made an attempt to correct it until they came out with the 9. Prevo turned out rust buckets for years before they corrected the causes. I don't mention Trailways, since they produced buses for their use alone for the most part. If it is mechanical in nature, it is subject to having flaws, and that goes for all of them. Believe me, if I had the financial resources, I would be driving a 45' Newell. |
John that newguy (199.232.240.234)
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, James. My only
knowledge of Newell comes from the many, many hours I spent
at a Massachusetts RV repair shop. I didn't work there, I
was a customer with a ton of free time to kill.
From Newell to Beaver to the Winnebago, I quickly learned
that they are all with their own share of headaches. Spending
more money for the "top of the line" RV did not, does not, nor
ever will, give you any benefit of better workmanship. Those
days are gone. All you get for spending more initially, is the
ability to spend more for repairs later.
Slide-outs that fail to retract, AC wiring that shorts inside walls,
gas-filled glass that discolors over time, roofs that leak and
accessories that fail prematurely... The list is near endless.
You have a right to your opinion. If Newell meets your fancy,
great. I would not own another commercially built RV.
That sir, is my opinion. |
Marc Bourget (209.142.38.81)
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I'm curious why a recall involving a IFS was inserted into an engine motor-mount thread? Maybe the post needed it's own thread? *
I will add the relevant observation that DD requires a certain amount of sideways travel for the S series motors. For example, the S-50 (a 4 cyl) requires the motor mounts to absorb 6-7" of sideways movement at the cylinder head. (dimension from memory only!)
Now, whether Newell verifed such criteria is another thing.
Onward and Upward
Marc Bourget
*Not saying you don't have the right to voice your thoughts, just opining it would be better placed elsewhere with a subject line that would be easier to retrieve from the archives. |
John that newguy (199.232.244.86)
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Only to illustrate the point that no commercial RV manufacturer is
without fault, Marc. Newell is only slightly better than Winnebago,
and perhaps only in the more expensive line of accessories they use.
If a manufacturer exposes it's clients to a hazardous condition
due to one of the components it utilizes, regardless of the source,
it is still the responsible party. Trying to pass the buck by claiming
it was "some other manufacturer's mistake", just doesn't hack
it when you're spending heavy-duty $$$ for an RV that claims
to be "the best". What good is "the best", if it's chassis falls apart,
the steering fails, or the engine doesn't last the RV?
The "wishbone failure" had nothing to do with engine mounts.
And I'm sure if Newell is as good as the author claims, they
would be the ones to address the type of mounts to be used
for such a dramatic engine swap.
(just my silly opinion, of course) |
Marc Bourget (209.142.38.81)
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I don't feel your opinion is silly, we're on the same wavelength regarding businesses that put a defective product in the "stream of commerce"
My point, equally valid to yours, was directed at making this valid point accessible to future BB users by pointing out no one would ever enter this subject thread to access your point from the archives.
There's lots of info "concealed" in this BB as a result. Kinda defeats the purpose of the BB.
Onward and upward
Marc Bourget |
John that newguy (199.232.244.24)
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You're absolutely right Marc, but I didn't want to start an entire
thread to just make a comment regarding the guy's insatiable love
for Newell RVs.
I guess I could have just commented "Love is blind" and left it at that.
Ha. Oh well. |
derek_l (172.208.6.96)
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A side thought here, but the way the search works is that if you typed in "Newell", this thread would be displayed, even if the subject line was "Pie tastes good".
Of course you can search by "Subject line" only, but if you are doing a real thorough search... Nothing is lost. |
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