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| Bill 340 (Bill_340)
Registered Member Username: Bill_340 Post Number: 171 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.203.51.77  Rating: N/A |
well I know this will cause controversey but its what I DID and these are my results... This week I had a young man come to my home with a van equipped with a Complete nitrogen system he pumped the air from my VAN tires, he then replaced it with nitrogen, Well the next day I had to travel I-4 to clearwater fl, and back ofcourse, the van never rode so quiet, I was on black top, concrete and plain rough road, very quiet compared to past road noise, Next day to orlando and back again less road noise, now they tell you that it helps increase fuel mileage, Maybe it does maybe not didn't check that yet, Very satisfied with what I have found. SO I called him today and convinced him to come to the arcadia rally, he only has one day he can make it, and that is Dec 30, so if anyone wants to make sure he will have time to do their unit, I am sure he would appreciate a heads up, so he can judge his time, thanks and we will see you in Arcadia, His name and number is Nitro Tire--Chad Smith- 863 412-0177 | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1334 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.2.184 Rating: N/A |
I use nitrogen in the Lexus but found it didn't help any on the 12r 22.5's on the bus,fwiw Cosco will do that cost me 20 bucks there good luck | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 733 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120  Rating: N/A |
Have used nitrogen in our Jetta tires. Got 80K miles out or 'em. One feature of the nitrogen is that it supposedly does not expand & contract as much as air so the tire keeps it's profile or shape no matter hot or cold. I'm a believer. | ||
| Sam Summers (Greyghost)
Registered Member Username: Greyghost Post Number: 118 Registered: 4-2011 Posted From: 166.182.3.68  Rating: N/A |
I use Helium, it makes my Pickup lighter and the songs on the radio all sound like the chipmunks Chip & Dale | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 716 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 76.4.16.189  Rating: N/A |
Jim, in my Jetta sedan, I used 79% nitrogen and got 87K out of the stock Michelins. There must be something to this! | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 574 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 97.91.68.252  Rating: N/A |
LOL @ SAM | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 1436 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.52.189.221  Rating: N/A |
Sam, Since you are using helium, does it make your coach lighter, thereby increasing your mileage? | ||
| Sam Summers (Greyghost)
Registered Member Username: Greyghost Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2011 Posted From: 166.182.3.58 Rating: N/A |
Jack, Since using Helium, I float therefore I have to use Jet A, not cost effective but great life on tires except for the landings, have to use a tail hook | ||
| Kevin Baxter (Bus_boy)
Registered Member Username: Bus_boy Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 74.100.213.9  Rating: N/A |
Oh Brother!!! lol! Kevin | ||
| Austin Scott Davis (Zimtok)
Registered Member Username: Zimtok Post Number: 489 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 173.166.209.1  Rating: N/A |
I put a mixture of water and antifreeze in my tractor tires for better traction.... . | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 734 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120 Rating: N/A |
That's got to be a LOT of antifreeze to fill tractor tires. I think I would offer to take used antifreeze away from some big truck shop to get it free. Won't matter if you mix brands or anything. | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 717 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 76.4.16.189 Rating: N/A |
@ Jim Bob - That's "road-holding weight". Works every time. | ||
| Jim Wallin (Powderseeker01)
Registered Member Username: Powderseeker01 Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 97.96.60.12  Rating: N/A |
Oxygen and nitrogen are neighbors on the periodic table. The difference between the two as a mechanism to inflate tires can't be distinguished outside of a laboratory. As a means to extract your cash from your pocket, the research indicates better performance. The lottery can do as well with a better possibility of payback. As the lowest resident of the periodic table, helium would be a poor choice because the molecule is much smaller and therefore able to escape from your tires much more quickly than the other two. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1632 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.45.7.143  Rating: N/A |
For our "new" 1956 bus , we are looking for a source of 1956 air to have matched air in the tires. FF | ||
| Jorge Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 613 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 174.252.163.188  Rating: N/A |
Fred isn't the air and water Billions of years old? I was thinking of filling my tires with nitrous oxide. Better top speed? Sorry Bill. JIM. anyway Sam started it  | ||
| Jim Wilke (Jim Bob) (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 736 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 184.0.13.120 Rating: N/A |
I never suggested better top speed. But Bruce & I (and a lot of folks on the internet if you care to look) ARE suggesting longer tire life, both in terms of wear and in terms of tire rot. While most of us won't ever wear out a new set of bus tires (I wish!), we may have them long enough to have to replace tires that have new tread but are aged out. Research what others say as to oxygen's effects on rubber. They also mention an approx. 3% gain in fuel mileage because the tire stays at optimum inflation longer. (Nitrogen does not expand or contract as much as plain air.) They were talking about tires that excede 100 degrees. My bus tires run at about 140 in summer, measured by heat gun. My toad has been as high as 154. Sounds like that could benefit us. Nitrogen also takes longer to leak out (larger molecule) so your tires are less likely to be underinflated. Just sayin..... | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 1437 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.52.189.221 Rating: N/A |
Jim, I have always heard 7 years for the life of a tire on our coach. Have you seen any reports on how much the life can be extended if the tires are always fillled with N from new installation? Jack | ||
| Tony LEE (T_lee)
Registered Member Username: T_lee Post Number: 92 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 59.154.42.140 Rating: |
Confirmation bias - an insidious mental condition that not only makes one ecstatically satisfied with anything bought that costs an unreasonable amount of money, but also causes an uncontrollable urge to get others to do likewise. | ||
| Sam Summers (Greyghost)
Registered Member Username: Greyghost Post Number: 120 Registered: 4-2011 Posted From: 166.182.3.156 Rating: N/A |
Fred My sister was born in 1956, I'll have her start bottling her air, sometimes it's even hot air. Sam | ||
| Jorge Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 614 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 67.191.6.239 Rating: N/A |
Jim I understand the science, but don't most of the tires used on our buses rot from the outside in due to ultra violet, Oxygen free radical damage, and I don't mean knife wielding hooligans. I bought a set of tire covers but unless I can place the bus in a vacuum the oxygen is going to contact the tires. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 2214 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
With all those tire plies on a bus tire, air leakage isn't much of a problem. Spend the money on a good brand of tire pressure monitors instead. | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 1495 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 24.239.11.34  Rating: |
Fewer than 60% of people check their vehicle tire pressure regularly. Nitrogen doesn't support combustion, while the 21% oxygen in air does. (The other 78% is nitrogen anyway, with 1% of a bunch of other stuff) (and that's about the only difference in the use of oxygen and nitrogen). Whoopdie-doo, no tire-fueled fires. Therefore, check & adjust your tire pressure often. It'll save you a few bucks you can otherwise use for diesel, and you won't have to put up with those hideous green valve caps :~) Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1635 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.28 Rating: N/A |
and you won't have to put up with those hideous green valve caps :~) While the color of the valve CAP may be subject to personal preference, the choice of VALVE STEM is not. These are color coded by the heat they can stand , be sure not to have bicycle valves in your bus !! FF | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 719 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 98.70.122.186 Rating: N/A |
Fred - what colors are available and what does each color specify. Mine are bare copper (or brass) - what temp are those? |
