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ron and patti (Hayleyscomet) (24.108.180.196)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 4:15 pm: | |
Have read with interest the different recommendations for covering our ceiling. We are unable to use any carpet type cover because of allergies. I'm down to choosing between arborite type panels or the FRP (fiberglass reinfored panels). From what I understand of the FRP it has matching trim pieces for butting the two pieces together. I know the arborite or formica type panels will bend to our roof radius but I'm not certain about the FRP or its trim pieces. Anyone have any experience with this? We are planning to attach it to the marine plywood we are installing on the ceiling.
Thanks, Patti |
TWO DOGS (63.185.73.90)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:08 pm: | |
that white bumpy stuff at home depo ..I call it plastic..other people call it frp..(I broke off a piece)no fiberglass..I worked for Owens Corning Fiberglas for years...think I know what fiberglass looks like...anyway...good stuff for ceiling,brite,good light reflection,cleans easy,$20.00 a sheet,trim pieces available |
Ace (172.175.51.220)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:15 pm: | |
2 D Maybe you were sleeping on the job because when I used it on our Eagloe WITH rounded sides, I needed to cut it and it DID have FG in it. Grant it was a very thin layer but it WAS there!
I liked it for ease of installation, brightness, and cleaniness!
You can also install it very easy using liquid nail. You can put the whole ceiling up in a day with a helper or a couple of 2x's with cross pieces on top!
I say go for it! |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:18 pm: | |
OK--quick gut check.
4'X8' sheet of FRP for twenty bucks.
does that make sense to you?
Gary |
ron and patti (Hayleyscomet) (24.108.180.196)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:36 pm: | |
Wholesale cost on this FRP is $33.00can per 4x8 sheet. Are we talking about the same thing? Patti |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:48 pm: | |
I'm not sure. I have seen the "Pebbly" surfaced stuff that I think Two Dogs is talking about and it is absolutely, positively not fiberglass.
Now, maybe there is some product that is not carried at any HomeDepot/Lowes that I don't know about.
Just as a comparison, though, I am using a fiberglass sheet product for the deckhouse on my boat and it is about $280 for a 4X16 Sheet.
If you look here:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/frames/boatbuild_fiber.htm
The cost of one layer of 'glass cloth for a 4X8 is almost fifteen bucks USD, so the idea that you can have a layed-up and...Gelcoated (?) sheet for $20US/$33CN just doesn't wash for me.
All that being said, I can see no problem with the stuff that Two Dogs mentioned, as long as the asthetics work for you.
(Marine Ply on the ceiling?)
Gary |
hayleyscomet (24.108.180.196)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 6:22 pm: | |
Gary, we are using the 1/4" marine ply on the ceiling to attach the FRP to. The marine ply was chosen so we hopefully won't have to worry about moisture/humidity. We're waiting for our sample of the FRP to arrive. It does have a texture to it but I don't know if its gelcoat or not. I suspect not as it will bend to our "curve".
Is there any problem with using marine ply? We're used to boats so it seemed the right thing to use. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 6:52 pm: | |
Problem with Marine ply, oh HELL no.
Send me a couple of dozen sheets while your at it.
I would call it overkill, if it is only an underlayment/Sheer (Not sure what the proper "Bus Term" would be) I am planning on 1/4" ACX or CDX ply for my "Base" layer of ply. I will use 3/4" tongue and groove for the base floor.
I might even just use AC--I'm not that far yet.
Personally, I don't think condensation will kill you, but it does depend on your coach construction and ventilation. You want these right anyway.
the big deal about Marine Ply is "Zero Voids" if you were to peel a "Regular" piece of ply apart, you will see that there are some gaps between the sheets of veneer that go into the ply. On a marine grade, the sections of veneer that make up a sheet are firmly butted together so that there is absolutely no void. There may also be some higher standards in resistance to warpage, alternating grades, whatever, but I never made plywood, just worked on the machines.
the Glue is also waterproof, but that is the "X" in ACX or CDX plywood, meaning eXterior.
I may use Marine ply in a few places, like my bedroom bulkhead. Marine ply will give me a very consistant, stiff wall, with less tendency of warpage. I'll use a little marine ply, you know how it is, $100 here $100 there, before you know it you're talkin' real money.
Gary |
CoryDane RTSII (66.155.188.37)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 6:53 pm: | |
(" Is there any problem with using marine ply?")
If you can install and bend it to your liking, there is no problem with Marine ply.
I was able to reuse the original plastic panels and glued acoustical tile to it. where the ceiling curves to the wall, I cut it into smaller widths. The looks of the tile was not hurt for the xtra cuts. Tends to quiet the room a bit.
"Thinking ceilings have so much choice for coverings, just imagine what will look good"
cd |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 6:58 pm: | |
Not that you asked, but I'm planning to use a beaded panel typically used to make wainscot panels.
I'll install the groves longituninally, so as to cooperate with the bend in the ceiling and also it'll give a bit of a longer "look" to my way short bus.
Gary |
Bill Glenn (64.12.116.135)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 7:25 pm: | |
Ron & Pattie
We are using F.R.P. (fiberglass reinforced plastic) on the ceiling and walls of the bathroom area. The stuff (and the trim pieces) bends better than tempered hardboard (arborite?, I call it masonite board! (This is, what was the original hard board that was the ceiling material on our 73 eagle. ) That said. We have been using frp in our busineses for years????? No it does not have much fiberglass in it, but, Yes it is in there (fiberglass reinforced plastic). Marlite is the major manufacturer, but there are others. Our local home depot handles it, todays price Salisbury MD. prices $23.99 per 4X8 sheet. Marine ply and F.R.P should be a good choice. Bends well holds up to abuse and repeated cleanings (not gelcoat but good frp) We are gluing it to Hardboard that is attached to the framework. Very sanitary but works for us.
Bill Glenn |
Pete RTS/Daytona (209.165.2.163)
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HI
Don't give up on carpet for the ceiling - Chris from the Yahoo RTS-BUs-Nuts group found this great stuff at Home Depot
Vendor Bertin - sku#/#upc#-> 66-857 style->YORK
12' wide $5.94/yd or ($7.72/lin Ft @ 12' wide)
Indoor/out carpet made from Polyproplyene (plastic milk bottles) - I would think that such a product would be hypo-allegic(sp?)
I'll be using the light gray color they call "TIN"
It has a ribbed texture and it easily clean.
Hope this helps
P.S. - Not sure of the demensions of your bus - but the RTS is based on 5' sections and I'll be gluing the carpet to 5' x 5' 1/8" plywood.
It's called Russian or Baltic Birch Plywood : It's a hardwood plywood that is extremely dense / strong and best of all it come in 5' by 5 foot sheets (ideal for 3/4 floor replacement or re-inforcement) or 1/8" 5' by 5' sheets for ceilings
This means the stuff goes between the RTS ribs and the 3/4" is usually 15 ply - that's right 15 ply - no more cheap Lowes 3/4 plywood floors bending. Found a web site that helps you find sources in your area - this stuff is usually stocked for Furniture makers - I believe they also carry this super dense stuff in 4 x 8s
try --> http://www.woodfinder.com/index.php and use russian or baltic as your search argument
3/4" sheets run approx $32 to $39 / sheet
1/8" $8+ per sheet - source on the east coast is
http://www.hardwoodgroup.com/charlotte/chchard.htm
Pete RTS/Daytona
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NEO/Russ (66.82.9.52)
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I spent a great deal of my career designing boats and the laminate structures. I've used these sheets around the house for wet places like the floor of the kitchen cabinet under the sink and in the wifes travel trailer under the hot water heater. Wives sure can make a mess. This is a polyester resin product, the smell gives it away, however it is not FRP (fiber reinforced polyester); IT TEARS. My guess is that it has some form of clay or inert filler to give it substance. It does bend well in both directions. Like most polyesters, glue adheres to it and it cleans well. I'll use it in my conversion in many NON-structural areas. |
FAST FRED (4.245.212.61)
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Beware of using RUGS stuck on the overhead if you EVER cook aboard.
Esp, if you ever use a frying pan.
Cleanable is far better than replaceable ,
or just Stinking!
FAST FRED |
gordon (205.188.116.135)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 9:22 pm: | |
Check out the kemlite web site for exterior & roof FRP. After month of searching, I'm using their new Reflection product on the exterior. Needs no wood backing & attaches directly to the steel frame
Gordon |
Richard Jones (63.80.251.75)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 4:11 am: | |
Gordon,
What did you use to attach Kemlite's Reflection panels to the steel framework?
Richard |
gordon (152.163.100.73)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 8:28 pm: | |
Richard
I haven't received the siding yet; 5 weeks lead time. I plan on using sikaflex on the framing & rivets on the top & bottom
Gordon |