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Boyd Atherton (64.136.27.226)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 7:26 pm: | |
Need help. Makes a click or pop noise about 2/3 into pushing pedal down. Looked into the bell housing and it's not pushing far enough to engage pressure plate. Any help with what the problem is would be great.
I started backing it out and the clutch just quit working. It doesn't really have much feel to the clutch other than at the point where it clicks.
Thanks,
Boyd
Arlington, TX
athertonbikes@juno.com |
TWO DOGS (65.179.209.118)
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sounds like the pressure plate...don't forget a new throwout bearing too...not cheap... |
TWO DOGS (65.179.209.118)
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I broke one of the three arms that disengage the clutch years ago on a cat....depending on who you know & how much of it you can do...500 to 1000...driveshft,trans has to come out |
Boyd Atherton (64.136.27.226)
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Do you think there could be any other possibilities? When I look in the bell housing at the throw out bearing, it seems like it isn't moving far enough to work the pressure plate. |
Boyd Atherton (64.136.27.226)
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Didn't see your last post before I posted mine. That sounds like what I have going on. |
Boyd Atherton (64.136.27.226)
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Any tips on moving the bus in this condition? |
TWO DOGS (65.179.209.118)
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start it up...get air ,release brakes,put in neutral,have something with balls to pull you,a bigtruck etc. you steer & brake...or have a wrecker come get you..you didn't say how far or what kind of traffic...know that's a busy place down there...
it wasn't anything I did when it broke,just put the clutch in & 'pop'....not your falt...just s**t happens... |
John that newguy (199.232.240.157)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:11 pm: | |
"When I look in the bell housing at the throw out bearing, it seems
like it isn't moving far enough to work the pressure plate. "
From a "newbie"? :
Maybe it isn't. Maybe the linkage (cable, air or mechanical)
is out of adjustment, broke, or damaged. If the arm is moving
the bearing the full throw, it's major $$. If the arm isn't moving
far enough, it'll be cheap. |
Boyd Atherton (64.136.27.226)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:16 pm: | |
Two Dogs- Thanks for the advice. It's parked in my shop right now. Problem is I have to back it out to get a trailer out of the shop. I'd like to have a way to get it back in the shop until I can figure what to do about fixing it. Don't think that is going to happen. There's a little up hill into my shop.
How much work is it taking out the transmission? At a quick glance everything pretty easy to get to under there. |
Boyd Atherton (64.136.27.226)
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John,
Linkage broke or damaged. That's what I'm thinking. But if one of the arms is broken can it be fixed without removing the whole trans? If I do have to remove the trans shouldn't I replace clutch, pressure plaste and throw also? |
John that newguy (199.232.240.157)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:36 pm: | |
I don't know enough about it to give an answer, but TD should!
I would imagine that you'll have to yank the shaft, transmission
and do the same as you'd have to do on any vehicle. There's no
easy way to fix a broken pressure plate, clutch, or bearing assembly.
If I had to make a wager, I'd put the bux on the linkage. You
have 35' of it, right? If I remember right, the center isle lifts up to
expose it all? At either end, isn't there a lever assembly held
by bushings to allow the arms to move? I'd check the most
obvious first.
I remember a linkage break on an Eagle I drove. I got to where
I had to get the people to by hot shifting the damned thing.
I had to knock it into neutral, turn off the engine at a light,
put it in first and start it in gear when it turned green.
Gee, I miss the old days.. I miss driving the Eagles, more.. |
TWO DOGS (63.185.73.102)
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I hope it's the linkage too....not "wishing" any heavy expence on anybody..... |
TWO DOGS (63.185.73.102)
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get somebody with good ears to listen "WHERE" the pop is when you put the clutch in...have them chase the noise |
DrivingMissLazy (66.168.175.51)
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I had a similiar problem on my 4104 with manual transmission.
First, start in neutral, let it warm up some and build up air pressure. Then stop the engine, put the tranny in 1st (or reverse as applicable) and start the engine. The bus will immediately start moving. For short distances, just leave it in 1st and when you get close to where you want to be, pull it out of first/turn off the switch/apply the brakes/ as applicable. Unless you are on a relatively steep grade, you should not have a problem. I have done it several times in both a bus and a truck.
For longer distances, you need a driver that knows how to shift without using the clutch and be sure to plan a route so that you do not have to start on a grade, since you will have to make a dead engine start every time you have to stop at a signal or stop sign.
Richard
Richard |
Johnny (4.174.106.135)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 9:15 am: | |
"Two Dogs- Thanks for the advice. It's parked in my shop right now. Problem is I have to back it out to get a trailer out of the shop. I'd like to have a way to get it back in the shop until I can figure what to do about fixing it. Don't think that is going to happen. There's a little up hill into my shop."
You need a 4WD 3/4-ton (or bigger) pickup. The pulling power they can deliver in low-range is TREMENDOUS. Start the bus, air up, have the truck push/pull you where you need to go, then just use the coach brakes to stop. |
TWO DOGS (63.185.73.159)
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I've heard that before............somewhere |
degojo (68.35.160.48)
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You can drive your bus home from a good distance without a clutch as long as you don't get caught up in heavy traffic. With engine off put trans in second ,engage starter and drive off. To stop take you foot off the accelerator and immediately shift into neutral. If you can stop while heading down hill you can start it in neutral let it roll until you have enough speed to engage first or second gear, you can up shift and down shift by matching the correct engine speed to the gear selected |
TWO DOGS (63.185.73.171)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 10:47 am: | |
update us on the clutch !!!! |
Ethan Tuttle (Mrert) (65.248.195.218)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 9:44 pm: | |
My bus was making that noise when i bought it! I tried to make it home from south of chicago back to Iowa. I made it to chicago 5 p.m. and things went bad! Traffic was bad and I was getting slower,and could smell clutch. I made it just west of chicago and came to a compleate stop on a bridge.I had to get off the bridge and to an offramp. All I had was our Town & Country van (big 3.8 V6). My dad just laughed at me and thought i was out of my mind! To his amazment my van pulled the bus over the bridge and off the offramp to an industrial road. Boy did we get the looks from people! I pulled the inspection panel of and found that the clutch was toast and the pressure plate had come apart. Some springs had broke and i lost the pressure it took to keep the clutch tight against the flywheel. I could not find a shop that wanted to touch it. And i couldnt find anyone to tow it. So my dad and I are a little out of our minds! We pulled the tranny down right there and went to looking for parts. Turns out it is a rare sized double clutch so i have to have it made. Came back to the bus (300 miles one way)the next weekend and put it all back together and finished the trip home.
needless to say before you try going far make sure it is not the pressure plate. Yes you can drive without a clutch! But not with out a pressure plate!
Good Luck!
I still love my 81 eagle 10
ethan |
TWO DOGS (65.179.200.89)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 10:20 pm: | |
yeah...wheeew..terrible to break down 'away' from home...when it happened to me,with that cat engine...cat would only sell it as a kit,clutch,pressure plate & flywheel...wasn't anything wrong with the flywheel,& as I was leaveing,the mechanic handed me the flywheel,big mistake,it had to weigh 200 pounds & I had no place to go with it...was funny tho |
Derek (Derek_L) (24.83.196.239)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 10:43 pm: | |
"Handed"? Is this the same mechanic that lifted up that truck in I@N's thread? |
TWO DOGS (63.185.67.205)
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he wern't no sissy...........I called him SIR |