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Lin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 3:47 am: | |
My bus has split rims with 10.00 R20 tires. Is there any important reason to switch to normal rims and, if so, is that difficult or expensive to do? |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 6:19 am: | |
what is your bus...a school bus?..dayton wheels?..kinda hard to answer if there is no information...does it have tatoos ? |
Don/TX
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 7:01 am: | |
Mine had the same when I got it. My BIGGEST reason for change is that it has become very hard to find a tire place that will work on them on the road. |
don (Bottomacher)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 7:35 am: | |
One real good reason is that you can't use tubeless tires with split rims. Another is the fact that you probably won't kill yourself mounting the tire on a solid wheel. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 8:37 am: | |
hopefully he meant split RINGS ...here we go again...split rings are easy to change and not dangerous...split rims...that separate in the middle of the wheel...are dangerous...but...can replce neither unless he tells us if they 'might' be BUD wheels |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:31 am: | |
Either can be replaced--22.5" Daytons will bolt up in place of 20" Daytons, & swapping Budds is as simple as matching the lug pattern.
One set of each (split rims & split rings) at work. |
Bob Oakman (Bobsbus)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 5:47 pm: | |
My love of busses started back in the 70s, when I bought a converted Corn-binder (International Harvester) school bus. That baby had the split ring rims. It was kinda' cool to be able to repair a tire right on the side of the road. Now, if my lil' Eagle gets a flat, I'm callin' the garage. I've had enough cuts and bruises lately.
So... I guess, depending on your perspective, splits are good. a bugger to keep balanced though. |
Lin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 6:41 pm: | |
I thought the term "split rim" was correct, but maybe I'm off. In any case, they require a tube. The tire and tube are slipped on from the outer side (assuming front wheel mount) and then secured with a monster retaining ring that is reputed to get violent if handled by an incompetent (I almost said un-tatooed). They are then mounted to the vehicle with a star-shaped bracket. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 7:43 pm: | |
When did this tatoo fetish begin lin
and tell me more about the star shaped bracket...never heard of that...is it a star tatoo ?? |
Jayrjay
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 8:24 pm: | |
Pardon my "igernance", but didn't Budd (type)wheels come into being because U.S. DOT outlawed the splits? Too many highway/shop accidents and deaths due to the way they regularly came apart rather violently. Some of you old timers think back twenty years and let us kow. ...JJ |
jimmci9 #2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 8:46 pm: | |
budd wheels are the type held on with lugnuts... (like your car)... erie, dayton or spoke wheels are held on with clamps... either budd or spoke wheels can be tube type (split rim) or tubeless.... there are different type of budd wheels... some are hub piloted and others are stud piloted... |
Don/TX
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 8:48 pm: | |
At 67 I SHOULD remember, but as you get old you forget.
As I recall, they were never outlawed, just become hard to find anyone to change them because of the unsafe tire changing people not paying attention. Heck, I changed a 24.5 tire myself on the Kenworth, an outside dual, with nothing but a couple of screwdrivers, air from the big cat. |
Tony H. (Bluegrass)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 8:57 pm: | |
As I recall no one would change the split rims because they was so dangerous to mess with, I recall when I was driving Truck In the early 70's the stations that would change the Truck Tires with split rims had a cage that fit just around the tire and wheel to protect the people that was putting air Into the Tires, I think just like JJ that they was kind of outlawed around the service stops after that but there was never a law that said that they was illegal.
Tony |
Don/TX
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 9:36 pm: | |
Even today an OSHA approved truck tire place will inflate them in a steel cage. |
Lin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:27 pm: | |
I last bought tires, two front ones, about six years ago. The service guy came out to my place and did them there on the ground. Looking on the internet now, it seems that using a cage is highly recommended though. Getting back to the original question though: Is it reasonable easy and inexpensive to change over to Budd (a learned a new term) wheels? Is it something I should even bother about?
As far as the tattoo thing goes, that only came up because of the interesting statistic involving rattlesnake bites. I think tatts are okay on other people, but personally they involve too much committment for me. I once had a temporary one of Bugs Bunny, and it really impressed some prison inmates I was working with at the time though. |
Bob Oakman (Bobsbus)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 1:03 am: | |
I always wanted to get a tat... Really small letters right there on "Lil Elvis" that says, "If you're close enough to read this, thank you". Never had the guts to do it. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 5:01 am: | |
tatoo lin...why don't you tell us what kind of bus you have...would sure make it easier to answer your questions |
Lin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 2:01 pm: | |
Sorry, I had it in other posts, but I didn't think it was an issue on tires/wheels. I have a 1967 Superior Supercruiser with a 5-speed syncromesh transmission and a V6 Toroflow. This is built on a GMC Truck chassis. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 9:59 pm: | |
does it have dayton wheels...bud wheels ?? |
Lin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 12:23 am: | |
Twodogs, I don't know the difference. I have tried to find a picture on the web but have come up short. The outer collar that is held in place by the retaining ring says it's Firestone 20 x 75. Then there is that large caste five-lugged, star-type thing that attaches the wheel to the drum. I will continue to try to find a picture. |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 7:41 am: | |
Those are Daytons. Budds use regular lug nuts (like a car). |