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captain ron
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 1:12 pm: | |
i just called on new tires for my 4905 the guy told me I should use steer tires instead of drive tires. he said I would get a better ride, better fuel economy and better tire wear. any comments? what a stupid question of course you have comments. also does any body have 22.5 bud rims for sale? |
jim wilke (Pd41044039)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 2:58 pm: | |
Ron, I got good take off 22.5 rims at a truck junkyard for $35 each for 7 rims. Could have had rims w/tires for $100 ea. The dates stamped in the rims were about 5 years old.
Jim-Bob |
Derek (Derek_l)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 3:11 pm: | |
Steer tires on your drive axle is fine, if you intend to run only in dry desert conditions... Don't try to come up to the Canadian rockies though; it's not uncommon to see snow in July in some places. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 4:20 pm: | |
RON...don't put those little 22.5 on your bus...this is twice I told you ...24.5 ! ! |
captain ron
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 4:29 pm: | |
I realy don't know if I have enough clearance. I need to replace air bags also. they seem week now that I have put one new one on the opposite side. also I'm gonna use what I can get the best deal on as I am not rich like you. I can't even afford 1 dog let alone 2 and several exes. ha ha |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 4:51 pm: | |
same price...the 22.5 are tiny...I can spot a 22.5 a half block away...you talk about ruining your fuel mileage....but...you will be abel to pull stumps... |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 5:06 pm: | |
WAL-MART & sams has brand new 24.5 steer tires for 255.00...and yes...steer tires all the way around...have a salesman roll a 24.5 up next to your 20 incher...same size...then have him roll a 22.5 up... |
Tim Hoskinson (Tdh37514151)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 5:39 pm: | |
depending on the brand and width tire you buy 24.5 , 22.5 and even 20. can all measure within an inch of the same out side diameter. I was sceptical my self so I have measured with a tape different tires that I have on 4 different buses 24.5s 22.5s 20s that all measure very nearly the same. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 5:50 pm: | |
22.5 = 42" dia:
http://www.goodyear.com/cfmx/web/truck/datapage.cfm?prodcode=13880250100000&prodline=00780 7,152824&prodline_name=G362
24.5 = 42" dia:
http://www.goodyear.com/cfmx/web/truck/datapage.cfm?prodcode=75681650100000&prodline=00780 7,152824&prodline_name=G362
Gary |
captain ron
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 6:41 pm: | |
ok going to wally world to check on tires there.
16 ply? balancing? do they spin or bubble or use that powder? yes 2 dogs 24.5 I have a vibration in the rear of my bus hoping it's fixed with new tires as you all know I have put in 2 tranny's and a new drive line. |
Doug Wotring
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 7:19 pm: | |
Diff between 22.5 and 24.5 is just the rim dia.
22.5 is a larger sidewall= more flex=better ride
I would not put steer on the rear......all position yes but not a tire designed for steer only ( they do exist) |
Jim-Bob (Pd41044039)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 7:29 pm: | |
Wal-Marts & Sam's. B.J's, Costco in FL sell only passenger & light truck tires. Only truck tire shops sell big tires here. Do those stores really sell 22.5 & 24.5" in other states? |
jimmci9 #2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 8:41 pm: | |
major fleets run steering tires on drive axles to "round them out" in preparation for recapping... and to get another 100k miles out of them before they're recapped... lots of the old time truckers that wanted a smooth ride would run steering tires all the way around.... when i ran a small fleet, 24 trucks, 16-4 axle trailers, i used kuhmo on the steering axle, ran an major brand (goodyear, bridgestone, michelin) on the drive axles... then ran caps (goodyear) on the trailers... all virgin casing caps... kept track of my casings by branding them.... probably 50% of the recap/casings had been capped before... some 3-4 times...i'd pull the tires when i got to 7/32nds tread.... that way i knew i had a good casing for the recapper.... |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 9:25 pm: | |
4 axel trailers....WOW....it's a big enough job just takeing care of 18 tires...yuk...
now that I'm retired..eight is enough |
R.C.Bishop
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:31 pm: | |
Sams will not mount and balance for that price.....think about it. ( So they told me)
FWIW
RCB |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 5:28 am: | |
Where you drive (or plan to ) is as much a consideration as price .
Steer tires all around are great for the super slab and city streets.
There are brands of steer (can be in any position) that are very agressive in terms of tread design.
We chose Continentals that are all position and have very deep rubber , and work better in dirt or marginal roads than the much smoother steers.
The "price" is up front on pavement the deeper tread wears a bit more , so we have to rotate the tires every 10.000 miles to even out the wear.
There will still be rubber on them when the 6 year point is reached and we sell them to the local fruit trucks , who will pay about $100- $125 for "virgin" (never recapped) tires ,in good condition.
This reduces the cost of good tires, ALL the time , considerably.
FAST FRED |
Stan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 9:49 am: | |
Rims and tires are one of the critical components when going down the road. Never run with a cracked rim or missing/loose nuts.
As pointed out in previous posts, all tires on the drive axel should be the same size to equally distribute weight and not cause severe wear on the differential.
When comparing tire size make sure you are comparing apples to apples and don't mix inch size with metric low profile. They have different type of construction and different weight capacity.
My only complaint with retreads, for the drive or tag, is if you have a warranty problem. If you are 1000 miles from home, can you get warranty? There is not much extra room in a bus to haul the old tire back to where you bought it. |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 10:33 am: | |
"My only complaint with retreads, for the drive or tag, is if you have a warranty problem. If you are 1000 miles from home, can you get warranty?"
Isn't Bandag nationwide? |
Stan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 12:25 pm: | |
Bandag may be nationwide if you are in a major city. I looked in the Yuma, Az. yellow pages and they list dealers for most brands of truck tires but no listing for Bandag. I think Yuma has about 80,000 people and is a major shipping point for reefers with vegetables so provides better truck service than the average small city.
With a bus, you just have one extra tire if you have to buy a replacement tire and then claim warranty at a later date. |
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 11:10 pm: | |
The greatest problem for most of us is wet roads, assuming you come south for winter, and steer tires like Michelin XZA2s are great rain tires. Yes, put steer tires all the way round, and make sure they are not to heavy and hard for bus use. |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 4:42 am: | |
Hello Captain Ron.
Most of the bus companies in North America, Canada included, are using the same tire in all positions. Quebec and British Columbia, some of the small guys are running truck style lug tires with good drivers to the ski slopes etc.
If you get stuck with a steer tire on the drives, nothing much happens when you spin it a little, however, a lugged tire will 9 times out of 10, dig the axle in too deep, before most of us stop spinning the tires.
A lugged tire under the wrong foot means a 4 wheel drive pick-up truck and chain can't help get you out. (or another busnut with a bus)
Those with snow and mud experience, make your own choice, those who think they know, have the guts to get on here and tell us you screwed up, when you dig it in and need the big tow truck to get you out of the lawn/beach/snow when it happens.
I currently run all position tires and grew up in the snow.
To be truthful, I'm wondering about a slightly more aggressive drive at the upcoming replacement, but worry about losing the ability to rotate the tires to any position for whatever reason the road gives me to do it.
Also, converted coach rallies seem to happen on grass, in the rain, too frequently...
oh, what to do...?
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 11:13 am: | |
I've seen a vehicle with highway rib tires on the drives get stuck on wet grass, on level ground. |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 12:09 pm: | |
Johnny, it happened to me one time at a campground. That was when I decided to put lugged drive type tires on the driver axle.
Richard |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 4:59 pm: | |
Embarassing, isn't it? Not to mention potentially expensive.
I'm planning mild traction tires in back, all-season in front. |