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Justin Dortignac
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:01 pm: | |
How many of you guys carry a spare tire(or a spare tire on a spare wheel)in your bus.
We have a spare tire on a wheel but would not be able to change it as we don't own a jack that would lift our bus or a lug wrench big enough.
Should we consider equipment to do it ourselves?
Will road service gouge us for a tire?
Could we consider selling the spare?
Thanks for your input,
Justin
P.S.I'm the guy with the 8.2T DD, we are having a remanufactured one put in right now! |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:03 pm: | |
if you have any kind of road service,(AAA or etc.) they will change it for you...YOU NEED A SPARE ! !!!!! |
mel 4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:26 pm: | |
as 2D says carry a spare and get your self a jack and a socket set to be able to change it your self, to do it is not rocket sic. thinking just a little time and labour not hard to do at all, haveing said that still get road side ins. that way you will have the best of two worlds. hoping they will do it but knowing that you can do it if they do not show up. be sure that your spare is not a retread and that it is a steer tire as the law will not let you run with a recap on the drive axel, if you do run with a retread on the front they will fine you and have a wrecker move you or you put a none retread on the front. you can get away with taking a wheel of the back and putting it on the front if it is not a retread to get you to the tire shop. |
Gary Carter
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:38 pm: | |
I carry no spare and haven't for 15 years. Nor do I carry road service insuranced other than what State Farm supplies.
Guess I live on the edge but been RVing since 1978 so am well ahead of the curve. I do keep my wife upset as I like to buy tires about every 5-7 years. She hates it because after spending the money she can't tell any difference. She understands why, BUT!
I hate to mention this but I have not had a flat tire since the early 70s. Jinx. |
Gary Carter
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:40 pm: | |
Will add that I carry all the stuff to change a tire, plus a tubless tire plug kit. |
Justin Dortignac
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:49 pm: | |
Thanks for your fast responses!
I guess we will look into equipment, I know I can get a 20 ton bottle jack easily but what would I need to look for in a lug wrench?
BTW our spare is a brand new tire, came with the bus. |
Don/TX
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 7:59 pm: | |
I carried a spare tire, wheel, air jack, 1 in impact wrench for a couple of years. I was overweight, and got to thinking, I had never had a flat in a half million miles on the big trucks, never on the bus, carried road help insurance, and just said lets forget it, it just did not seem worth the trouble to carry it for the little chance I might have a flat, so I decided to pitch it and never regretted it. You do realize of course, you actually DO have a spare on the drive axle anyway for a short trip. |
Jayrjay
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 8:10 pm: | |
How are you gonna' break the lug nuts loose by hand, when a 275 lb. gorilla at the tire shop went to sleep on the impact driver, and put the torque up to about 1400 ft. Lbs? ...JJ |
R.J.(Bob) Evans (Bobofthenorth)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 8:28 pm: | |
I'm no expert but we don't carry a spare. I have no recaps so I can swap out a tag tire if necessary. I do carry 2 x 20 ton bottle jacks, a set of 3/4 sockets and a 3/4 air impact. The way I see it we run OTR trucks that put more miles on in a month than I do in a year and we don't carry spares on any of them. Tire shops are a dime a dozen along the road and I don't want to give up the space to carry a spare. Maybe when we go into Mexico I might throw a skin in the towed but I certainly won't carry a mounted spare. |
immci9 #2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 8:42 pm: | |
without getting into lots of arguements here, but recaps are legal on the steering axle...city of houston runs them on the metro busses... not that i recommend it, but it is legal... i carry a spare, a jack.. blocks, and a 1" ingersol impact... |
MCI Larry (Eurof3)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 8:43 pm: | |
This spare thing has been bothering me to.
I have a place behind the front bumper for a spare and have been thinking of removing it. Its not taking up any room that I use, so we just carry it.
I don`t have a jack but we do have a lug wrench.
I tried to break the lug nuts loose. Someone fell a sleep on the impact when they tightened my lugs. We could not break 1 nut loose. Not even with a pipe and all 188 lbs of me on it.
So I will be calling road service if we do have a flat. But looks like I will have a spare tire. How old the spare is, I need to check. For now I am keeping it on the coach.
May none of you ever have a flat..... Larry |
Ethan Tuttle (Mrert)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 9:18 pm: | |
I had the great luck of having a flat tire on the way home when i bought my bus. I should have checked the presure in each tire instead of just thumping them! I had everthing i needed to change it my self. 20 ton bottle jack, 3/4 inch socket set, and some blocks. I did find out that my 210 lbs on a 4 ft cheater pipe would not even come close to moving a single nut. Of course since I just bought the bus I did not have road side insurance. Well I take that back I did through my cell phone service but of coarse I could not reach them. So i finaly gave in and called a tire service truck. He said he would be right there! Four hours later he showed up! I had the spare setting there ready, the bus jacked up, All he had to do was get the nuts loose! His one inch impact did not do the trick. He said he could use the torch and heat every nut to get them off But i wasnt too crazy about that idea. So he said we could remount the tire on the rim since the beads had poped loose. If it held air i could finish the trip if it didnt he would heat the nuts. So i grabed my can of either and he grabs his little propane tourch and air chuck. And there we have it the tire is holding air and he has been there a total of 30 minutes. He never realy did that much. The bill cant be to bad! $225.00 and it was my can of either we used!I said you have got to be kidding me! And he says cash no checks!
I will be takeing each wheel off my bus and torking them to the proper specs and hopefuly i will be able to get them off myself along the road if i ever have too!
1981 eagle 10 |
mclough
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 9:57 pm: | |
i had a front tire blow out not to long ago. without a decent spare and NO roadside assistance. Called a repair shop and $125 for labor and $ 225 for a used recap. AS soon as i got home i did 2 things
1. purchased roadside- free labor
2. put an UNMOUNTED spare behind front bumper - it can be mounted on any rim.
now if i have a flat its FREE and i dont have to get dirty, or tired. sit back and relax.
morgan
www.outreachacrossamerica.com |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 10:01 pm: | |
RV road insurance from Good Sams, FMCA, AAA, Road America,
etc etc, all charge about the same.. $80 per year. That covers your
bus/RV, and all your cars. A call brings out a tow truck, a tire changer,
a locksmith.... a fuel can...
I don't know about you, but I'm gettin' too old to be trying to lift
a 22" mounted bus wheel onto it's spindle, or torque/untorque the
lugnuts after they've been practically welded into place after years
of exposure to the elements.
Yeah, having a mounted spare is kewl, and might be a little bit less
expensive than buying a -new- tire while out in no-place. But
take-offs run about $75-125 mounted, and you can find 'em at any
truck plaza you stop at.... or at that local gas station..
That spare might be handy, and a breaker bar with extension pipe
and the socket, isn't any big deal to carry. The bottle jack is
always good to have.. But do you really expect to do this yourself?
Are you sure you know enough about checking the ground your
about to lift 11 tons on, so the bus doesn't stuff that $40 bottle
jack three feet into the asphalt with the bus chassis resting on
your legs?
You could probably sell that spare, don't buy the tools, and pay
for three years worth of insurance with the money saved.
(just another opinion) |
BrianMCI
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 11:41 pm: | |
I purchased a high dollar 1100 ft/lb Ingersol Rand 3/4 drive impact and a couple of budd nut sockets, I will be installing an electric compressor capable of 175 psi. I have an retracting industrial air hose reel with 100 feet of goodyear hose going in next to the compressor and I will have the jack bars and spare to change my own tires. Thank you very much.
Brian |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 11:50 pm: | |
CP has a 800lb off, 650 lb on a 1/2" unit, I just saw one at sears with the Crapsman name on it.
I have always been able to rattle the nuts off with my screamin-loud IR but I have to wait for my compressor to fill up two or three times.
Gary |
BrianMCI
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:16 am: | |
I used to really like CP but I have to say, if you want to spin'em off IR brings it. Loud maybe, brute strength... in spades.
Brian |
J.L.Vickers
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:18 am: | |
Well,
Let me add my 2 cents worth.
I carry a spare tire&wheel
run-up block & 20 ton bottle jack
3/4" impact air wrench.
Budd wheel sockets
and 3/4" extensions
I even went and bought a 10 to 1 torque multiplier
made by proto 100 pounds in equals 1000 pound out put.
I know it will remove the most stubborn budd nuts
A fried of mine had to used it on his Eagle and he said it removed the budd nuts that a air impact wrench would not move.
So I hope I can change a tire if need be. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:48 am: | |
"I used to really like CP but I have to say, if you want to spin'em off IR brings it. Loud maybe, brute strength... in spades. "
When I was an apprentice I bought a used IR from the snapon truck and the guys in the shop used to give me a hard time about the beat up old thing, that made every one jump when I used it.
Guess what they wanted to borrow when their impact wouldn't get the job done?
The New CP is supposed to be some kinda Magic.
Gary |
Lin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 1:59 am: | |
I carry a spare and have road insurance. You may not ever need either. But as a friend once said about carrying a firearm. If you ever do need it, you'll need it real bad. |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 2:50 am: | |
I will have onboard air, my Snap-On impact (popped loose all 40 lugs when I bought it), a 4' cheater bar (in case it won't do it again), a 10-ton jack, & a mounted spare.
And by FEDERAL law, no bus is permitted to run recapped, regrovved, or retreaded tires on the steer axle. |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 5:13 am: | |
We carry a spair and a handy X-10 torque multiplier.
Have use it to rotate tires and do wheel bearings, but happily no flat , YET.
If you only travel on the super slab , and the coach's maint history is questionable insurance is worthwhile.We used it the first 2 years.
After you have the coach for a decade or so and have maintained everything properly and replaced worn out stuff , save your money.
Some insurance has road service "built in" , and might be worth while.
FAST FRED |
Matt
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 6:45 am: | |
It takes a lot of air to run a 1" air gun, even to loosen the nuts, I don't think that little compressor that most of us carry will began to do the job and if so it will take for ever. |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 9:03 am: | |
Re:
"And by FEDERAL law, no bus is permitted to run " yada yada
We keep seeing this stuff.
You're driving an RV. You registered it, titled it and insured it
as a private, recreational vehicle.
It's a RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, not a BUS.
It is no longer required to conform to all the legal requirements
that a commercial vehicle; a BUS, must conform.
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The fact that the wheels do not come off the spindle/hub all that
easily, and the weight of lifting the wheel on and off the hub is a
lot more than most of us old folk can endure, continues to be ignored.
Justin wants to know if it's worth the hassle to carry the stuff to do
do it roadside, unassisted.
Justin..... If you're young; can lift 150lbs while kneeling in the dirt;
can pound a 50lb sledge hammer hard enough sideways to knock
a dual wheel off it's hub; are prepared to do -whatever- it takes to
get the wheels off the hub (and it may require a torch); are prepared
to take whatever action is needed when things go awry..... Then
spend the $$$ with the idea you're going to do it yourself. If not,
you might want to spend the $$$ just to have the stuff to show
off at the next meet.
Most all truck drivers don't change tires themselves. I don't know
of one bus driver that's ever changed a tire en route, with passengers
aboard, empty bus, or even at the garage. And most RVrs don't
attempt changing their own tires aside the road, even though
everything they need for the job is usually supplied by the manufacturer.
Sometimes the realism of a roadside emergency escapes us.
Sitting aside the road in a fully equipped, air conditioned, heated,
food and drink laden RV, with chairs, couches and TV, while
waiting for the repair truck...... isn't the worst thing in life. |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 9:07 am: | |
Uhhh.... oh yeah....
Having a bus fall off the jack and break things when it crushes to
the ground while sitting in the breakdown lane, might be. |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 11:03 am: | |
"without getting into lots of arguements here, but recaps are legal on the steering axle...city of houston runs them on the metro busses"
I was responding to this.
And by the time the road service guy shows up, I can have the tire changed, the tools put away, be changed into a clean shirt, & be back on the road. I've pulled all 6 wheels & tires on my bus (several times, in fact) myself, I can do it again.
Matt: I'd bet the bus air system will run a 1" impact gun. You might have to let it refill after every couple of lugs, but it should work. |
Gary Lee LaBombard
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 11:13 am: | |
My bus had tires mounted on them since God Only know when? Here is how I got them off alone. I took a 1 1/2" box wrench from Harbor FReight Tools I believe is the size and cut it off just outside the diameter of the tires. I then welded angle iron the width of my 20 ton jack head diameter. I then welded gussets to each side of the wrench for support to the angle iron / wrench. I did not jack up the bus at this time, I wanted just to loosen all the tires and you need the weight of the bus to help you. Put the 20 ton jack under the welded angle iron on the wrench. use the jack with the help of some some blocks to get the wrench almost horizontaly level for each stud with the jack underneath and use the jack to break the studs loose. just loosen them enough to finish removing with a 1/2" impact gun one of quality from Sears even. after loosing all the studs / nuts you can then jack up the wheel to remove the tire. You may have to use several blocks "Safely" to reach the higher studs on the top of the wheel but it is possible and no back straining using a cheater bar etc. or 1" impact gun. Do not use a 1" to reassemble. you only need a 550 ft. lb. of torque on tightening. A 1/2" or 3/4" gun will do this if of quality. Purchasing a torque wrench for proper torque of all wheels is recommended but may be a few $$. Well worth it. I have to replace every one of my 60 studs as the threads are rolled backwards from the use of a 1" impact gun form others. These cost about $6 per stud I am told. I have not done this as yet. Remember, you may be able to help others on the road without a way to remove their flat tire and I assure you of their gratitude. Helping others can go a very long way as sooner or later it will all be a reward to you in life.
Carrying a spare is insurance that you will never be stranded and if you never use it you will be at ease mentally with this problem solved as far as a flat. Travelers insurance also a must.
Gary |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 11:39 am: | |
...and I'm the really stupid one... I have a spare, a 30 ton bottle jack, an air wrench capable of doing the job and even a tank that will run on the bus's air system do the studs...AND I leave them all home. Honestly I havn't figured out where to put them on the bus and still leave room for all the other junk I like to carry around with me.
This cost me $800 about 6 months back, where I discovered a giant bubble in a sidewall, was too far away from anywhere to do anything but buy two new tires from the nearest RIP (off) Griffin truck stop
(had to get two because the tire diameter of the remaining good one was too small to match a new one)
Go figure. What good it is to have all the "stuff" and leave it home... well, no-one ever said I'm sane.... |
mel 4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:00 pm: | |
FF you are right about the law as here in Canada the MVD law states that No veh. is permitted to use a recap on the steering axel . in fact the farmer next door was pulled over and the law checked his front tire which was a recaped truck tire , the officer was good to him he sat in his car doing his paper work while my buddy went and got a different tire and was then let go. and for those that when they have a flat will just sit and enjoy the time till road service gets there just do not go the places you and i like to go with our buses where cel phones do not work and the next vec. by might be 3 days away . oh the good life, right Fred?????? |
Marc Bourget
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:33 pm: | |
Just a comment on a point raised above. I was looking at a GSA Eagle up for auction. It was pointed out that GSA is exempt from the FMVSS restriction from recaps on the front axle and that provisions would have to be made before removal. I would guess this is extended to transit agencies.
Marc |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:34 pm: | |
Hello Justin.
If one chooses to carry a jack....
Best to choose a low profile bottle that has a chance of fitting under the jacking point, both normally, as well as when the tire is flat.
It takes a lot of run up block to get the undercarriage back to regular height with a flat tire, and you may have to lose more clearance putting a heavy board under the jack to give it a larger foot print to lift instead of sinking into the afore mentioned ground.
I carry a spare, the tools, and have roadside assistance. That way, I can choose how to help myself, and I can offer assistance to others.
I would strongly encourage busnuts to periodically pull your wheels off at home, or pay a guy to do it for you. The wheels rust themselves against the hubs, the wheel fasteners rust to themselves, and if you haven't tried removing them yet, you don't know if you have overtorqued and/or damaged studs. A damaged stud cannot maintain proper torque, and is more prone to breaking on a rough road because it has had the stretch pulled out of it.
On re-assembly, a little anti-sieze around the hub/wheel contact area is a good defence.
If you do not know which surfaces to keep lubricant away from, see your reputable tire shop for wheel installer literature and follow the rules. Oil the wrong thing, and your wheels might come off!
Everything comes apart a lot better at the side of the road at 0'dark thirty, if it has been apart sometime in the last year.
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
MCI Larry (Eurof3)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 12:42 pm: | |
YES YES YES
I like Gary Lee`s idea to make me a nut buster wrench.
I will be making one soon, Heck I am able to leap a building on a single bound and I am faster than a speeding bullet.
Yes its "SUPER TIRE CHANGER">>>
Sure is nice to be able get ideas from this board.
I will be keeping my spare !
Larry Naturopath 96A3 |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 1:23 pm: | |
Justin -
"Buswarrior" had the best comment:
"I carry a spare, the tools, and have roadside assistance.
That way, I can choose how to help myself"
Having the stuff on board can be handy, especially if you find
the need to enlist the aid of a local mechanic to get the tire
changed while stuck in East Overshoe. Having the stuff doesn't
mean -you- have to use it. And there's nothing wussie about
not doing it yourself. If that burly 250lb truck driver can sit
aside the road waiting for a repair van, so can you or I.
If my house roof leaks, I don't climb to the peak to repair it,
I hire a pro. A pro with insurance.
I can't imagine anything worse, than leaving my wife and
belongings aside the road and being taken to some hospital....
as a result of a failure of whatever's supporting my bus while
I was under it, pounding on that wheel, trying to save a few
dollars and some time. |
Juan Navarro (Jnavarro)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 2:45 pm: | |
Just to chime in
Have 6 brand new kuhmos 12R-22.5 on the bus, one fairly fresh spare on the tire hold, carry a 22 ton air jack, a manual 20 ton jack, several 12x4x24 blocks, an American made bud lug wrench with its 6 ft breaker bar, a 3/4 drive impact, a pancake air compressor, a bead breaker hammer, tire irons, and tubeless tire repair kits with plugs and valves.
In addition have Good Sam and AAA ERS. Overkill?? maybe, but sitting on the side of the road on a Baja highway is not a good visual.
Now, in my enclosed trailer with quads and jetskis is where the real equipment is.
Cheers.
Juan 1953 PD 4104-148 |
BrianMCI
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 5:53 pm: | |
Our tire guy, Bernie, (good ol' Bernie) uses half inch air line for his 1" impact and yes it will take a lot of air to run one, but 95% of the time he uses a 3/4 impact on a 3/8ths air line and a lot less air. In fact over about 7 years Bernie has used 3/4 impacts so much the hardened steel socket holder snapped off one and the aluminum body of another cracked in half, and it wasn't from abuse.
The compressor setup I'll be using once sat atop an 80 gallon tank and supplied air for a small shop I won't have as much initial air volume as that on the bus, perhaps 30 gallons, but once the air pressure reaches below 120 the bus air, which will be tied in with check valves, will begin flowing.
Brian |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 6:07 pm: | |
We bought a 1" for tires in the shop I worked at then realized we had to replumb the airpipe and get new hose, cost more than the damn impact.
Gary |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 8:48 pm: | |
Let me agree with Buswarrior on the antiseize thing. I put it on the hubs & duals to avoid the propane-torch routine. |
BrianMCI
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 9:23 pm: | |
Yep, totally agree, antiseize is wonderful stuff, really great as lube for hinges and slides in a dusty environment and perfect to use on lugs.
Brian |
John the doomsayer
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 9:36 pm: | |
Much has been debated and written about using antiseize on truck wheel nuts.
http://www.thedieselstop.com/archives/abol/PWRSTRK4/messages/$WEBMSG00000000061435A74.htm
http://www.thedieselstop.com/archives/ubbthreads/73EandD/forums.thedieselstop.com/archives /showflat.php-Cat=&Number=829898&page=71&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1.htm
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQA/is_2_80/ai_71847180
Torque values listed in shop manuals are almost always meant to be
used with clean, dry threads.
At Bendix, we recommend against using lubricants on lug nut threads,
as do many vehicle manufacturers. We have two reasons:
1. Each lubricant may have a different effect on torque values
2. Heat may cause all but special-purpose lubricants designed for
brake applications to melt and run, possibly contaminating pads or
shoes and/or rotors or drums.
If you insist on lubricating lug threads, please be sparing and make
sure to compensate for the increased torque likely to result. For
example, one lubricant manufacturer recommends torquing nuts to only
85 percent of the factory specification when using their
nickel-based anti-seize compound on threads.
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Breaking a stud is always nice while aside the road. |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 5:21 am: | |
"Best to choose a low profile bottle that has a chance of fitting under the jacking point, both normally, as well as when the tire is flat."
The OTHER method ., as found in GM books is the "run up block".
This is simply a hunk of heavy wood like a 4 inch thick piece of oak 10 inches wide and at least a foot long.
The DEAD front tire is driven on , giving clearence for a normal bottle jack.
In the rear , if your outside tyre is dead , running up on the surviving inner may lift enough to avoid the use of a jack.
AN other recomendation is to locate the factory jack points while the coach is over a pit and paint them WHITE ,
so the road service fellow will know Where? to jack , it's probably first coach job!
FAST FRED |
Ron Walker (Prevost82)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 12:07 pm: | |
You should "Never" use antiseize or oil on lug nuts threads. Not only can you over torque the nuts, they can come loose and lose a wheel....this is a big no no.
Ron |
Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 12:46 pm: | |
Carying your own spare ensures that it will fit and match your other tires. Also if you are not running standadard truck size tires, you may get to wait a day or two for your size tire that is not stocked locally and has to be shipped in.
As has been said earlier, if you have all the stuff required then you (not someone else) get to decide how it gets changed.
Personally I like having a choice.
PS You could also chain up the tag axle and use it as the spare. |
Jack Gregg (Jackinkc)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 3:44 pm: | |
Where is a good place to buy a bottle jack?
What size and how much should you pay?
Jack |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 6:34 pm: | |
Harbor Freight...20 ton....45.00
" "...air/hyd =90.00 |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 11:43 pm: | |
Hello tire changers.
As I wrote:
> If you do not know which surfaces to keep lubricant away from, see your reputable tire shop for wheel installer literature and follow the rules. Oil the wrong thing, and your wheels might come off! <
Please read your manufacturer's recommended practices and follow them. They know what they are doing. Keep the lube off the threads and mating surfaces of fasteners. You may put a little light oil between the cap and nut for a hub-mount fastener.
And per FF, paint your jacking points! Good chance that your bus is the first one the roadside service guy has ever crawled under, and he won't admit that to you.
You don't want to be paying for those learning kinds of mistakes...
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
Justin Dortignac
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 12:14 am: | |
Thank you all for the input!
This is great! I now have allot to consider </:-0)
Justin |
shelly
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:40 pm: | |
NO I will never run a cap any position on a coach ....FWIW in the mid 80's bandag sponsored a unlimited truck at bonneville , 2- 8v92's crank to crank bout 3500 hp, ran close to 200 mph. caps all positions ,watched it myself! |
Johnny
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 9:29 am: | |
That'd be the Bandag Bandit. |