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Leonard

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Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 11:15 pm:   

Does any one know the location on a 6v92 to install a block heater and is it very expensive? Is it a part that can be purchased at local parts stores Napa etc. I would appreciate any feedback on this.
Kevin Allen, Nebus (91flyer)

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 12:05 am:   

I was thinking about something like this for my bus once I go get it....

http://www.janyce.com/+wolver/heat.html

Looks simple, easy and effective... And relatively cheap to give it a shot and see.

I need to do more research into it though... but, it's something to throw into the mix. :-)

-Kevin
TWO DOGS

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 6:26 am:   

I don't think much of oil heaters...it cooks the oil...if you care about your engine...heat the water
Bob Wood

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:01 am:   

Len,
I installed a block heater 4 years ago, and love it. The cost for a 1500watt was $59.00. It is install in the water jacket of the engine block. My 6V92 has a plate with 4 bolts located on the passenger side of the engine block, at the front edge of the engine (opposite end of the transmission.) I bought my heater from a DD Dealer, and it came with a new plate, the same shape as the blank plate I removed from the engine block. The entire job took me 3-4 hours. Well worth the money.
Bob.
Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:24 am:   

Two Dogs wrote:
I don't think much of oil heaters...it cooks the oil...if you care about your engine...heat the water

__. Yes, and a very important part of the engine to heat is the upper part of the engine. You want the oil up there to be warm (so it circulates to rockers, etc.) and it's important for the manifolds, head and engine block to be warm so that the incoming fuel and air is warm for a quick start.

__. Heating the water does a good job of heating the entire engine and it does a good job of warming up the oil. Heating the oil doesn't do a very good job of warming up the rest of the engine. TD is exactly right ... heat the water!
Bruce Henderson, Wallace NC, USA
Kevin Allen, Nebus (91flyer)

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:51 am:   

As I said, I was thinking about it -- and I have plenty of time to do that. :-) Now I know not to use an oil heater, eh? :-)

Where can a block heater for a 6v92 be obtained? I've looked around casually, as I'm sure Leonard has, but found nothing...

He and I just happen to have the same series/size engine. :-)

-Kevin
mel 4104

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:57 am:   

that is good thinking , put a block heater in and if you are buying it from a bus lines or dealer make it a condition of sale. i use mine all the time and have had the same block heater in the engine for 11 years and it gets used all the time . it is one of the best things that you can do for you engine.
TWO DOGS

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 11:33 am:   

where.....from a detroit dealer/parts house
+Always Positive + (Mr_positive)

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 2:24 pm:   

Good Day!
Heat the waaa waaa and the rest will warm nicely.
And its very nice to have when its -25 degrees outside to insure no froooozen engine blocks and lines.
And for sure to let it start...+ so U don`t idle your fuel away to keep it warm!
Recommend a block heater 100% cost effective + easy to do on a 6V92 DD.

"Think Positive""
dickegler

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 5:41 pm:   

Leonard,

The 1500 watt block heaters with mounting plate described above are available at NAPA or Carquest. Just find a parts man that can use a catalog, instead of relying on the computer. Lookup by application(detroit diesel 8v71) in heavy duty catalog.

Hope that helps

Dick Egler
75 Eagle 05
TWO DOGS

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 6:19 pm:   

that won't fit dick
david anderson (Davidanderson)

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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 8:04 pm:   

If you can't find it locally, give Luke @ US Coach a call. He will ship it to you.

David
mel 4104

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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:55 am:   

your local car parts dealer should have the cat. that shows them and give the write up as to the right motor and where it is to be installed. and if you follow the instructions you will be all right, i just got one for a motor and it took 1/2 hr. to instal and the fellows bus that it in in said that the next morning the back door of the bus was warm as he had left it on over nite. needless to say the motor started before it had turned 1 rev.
TWO DOGS

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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:15 am:   

best thing you can do for your diesel in cold weather !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brian Brown (Fishbowlbrian)

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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 1:28 pm:   

I just got a 1500 watt one for my 8v71 off that ePlace for $15. Zerostart model, I think. It came with the plate and gasket.

BUT, my engine has a pipe take-off on there going to some type of cannister heat exchanger or filter ?? over by the tranny. Hmm... must be a transit bus thing. I'll have to tee into the pipe with my heater, I suppose.

Anyways, you might look on that ePlace for a block heater and save a few buckies.

FBB
Jeff (Jeff)

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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:47 pm:   

I have an RTS and the regular engine block heater will not work. The RTS has lines that are in the way. So in our group, the members have been kicking around the idea of a cooling system in line heater. JC Whitney has one that looks like it would work. Cover the radiator on one side when the motor is not running. Like wearing a hat in the cold. Allows the heat to circulate and keep everything warmer. You may want to check out http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductDisplay/c-10101/s-10101/p-206230/mediaCode-ZX/ap pId-492433. It might be what you are looking for. That is if you do not wish to install a diesel fired heater like a Webasto. Check Nimco for Webasto 1(800) 526-8055 -->Nick

Jeff
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FAST FRED

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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 5:31 am:   

If you boondock ,or have no electric parked, there are propane fired block heaters that require no electric.

FAST FRED
Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)

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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 9:26 am:   

Jeff said:
"I have an RTS and the regular engine block heater will not work. The RTS has lines that are in the way. So in our group, the members have been kicking around the idea of a cooling system in line heater."

__. Yes, many people who live in cold climates in my VW diesel on-line club use a heater that goes into the heater hose. It would be far better to use an actual "in-block" heater if possible, but sometimes you just can't (there are no "freeze plugs" or other fittings in a modern VW car diesel engine). The fitting point on the VW is at a low point and the "thermosyphon" effect heats the engine very well.

__. It would be worthwhile to look at any of the alternatives to get the heater into your engine block, but -- it it's just not possible -- the in-line heaters work pretty well.
Bruce Henderson, Wallace NC, USA
Guy_ bouchard

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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 1:13 pm:   

there is a 1 inch pipe plug in the left front of the engine block where you can put in a block heater in a Detroit. Simple, cheap, quick, and effective.
Guy 4905
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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 1:33 pm:   

that's where mine is
Brian Brown (Fishbowlbrian)

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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 3:18 pm:   

Guy and TD:
Is the front of the engine considered where the pulley, etc. are? I have a V-drive, so I was curious about where I might look for this plug.

Here's my engine/tranny shots: http://www.browncowpro.com/bus/engine.htm

Thanks in advance,
FBB
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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 4:33 pm:   

yep...in pic 3...to the right & down 10" from that pulley...think I see it at the base of the hose...should be a 1" plug there
Nick Morris (Nick3751)

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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 2:56 pm:   

FWIW I just got a Kat's 1500W heater from advance, put it in yesterday left it plug in all night and just went out and cranked her right up the temp here is 10 and wind chill is -7.

I was very impressed with the little thing. I can't/won't get to where Detroit says their's goes so I went this route. About 20 sec after I pluged it in the hose comming out the top was hot.....not warm, hot and this morning I could touch the head and block and feel warm places in it (water jacket). I knew the thing would work but not that well when it's this cold. I have little doubt that if left on a while it would open the therastat and possibly heat the whole system. I'm sold on the things for sure!!!!!!!
TWO DOGS

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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 3:48 pm:   

I used to have an old Mack truck that WOULD NOT start below 30...& if it did it would spew white smoke for MILES...say 3 square miles ..just sitting there...plug in the heater night before I was going to use it & just'touch' the start button...&...since it was a cabover...the windshield was ALWAYS clear...
Brian Brown (Fishbowlbrian)

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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 5:31 pm:   

Thanks, TD. I'll go out to the bus (it's parked a few miles from my house) this week and look for the plug. It'd be much easier to get the block heater in that hole than the one underneath. Very cool.

Thanks for the idea!
FBB

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