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| Merlin Moon (Mrmerlin)
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Here is one site that hits many FAQ's: http://www.scalefighter.com/faq.htm During the design phase for the bus we included a space for a small salt treated water softener. Have used water softeners in our home for many years. Not fun to lug bags of salt to the basement every couple of weeks and load the darn thing. About four months ago, I decided to break down and purchase a set of water treatment magnets. Clamped the pair on the incoming house main water line. Meantime, our regular water softener was still in service and functioning as normal. Wife was surprised that the water "felt better on her hair". Women judge things with "hair shine" as a criterion, I think. For me, I did notice hand soap lathering up to a better foam. Other than that, I can't say I immediately recognized any difference. Well, we let the salt in the softener expire, and I bypassed the unit just before Christmas. The water started to feel less soft, but soap still lathered fairly well. I surmised that the magnetic suspension effect will not linger for many hours thus the 80 gallon hot water tank was allowing the water to return to "hard". We decided to purchase another set of magnets for the output pipe of the hot water tank. Improvement was noticed quickly. Here is one uncanny side benefit of the magnetically treated water ... it actually DOES remove lime build-up in water faucet screens, coffee maker workings, and water heater tubes. The feel of the water in our house right now is still not as soft as when the salt treatment softener was on line, but I have a hunch that since our house plumbing has been collecting lime in the system for years, the full effect of the magnetic treatment will not come until all the lime has been disolved and washed out. That's my hope, at least. As it is now (three months into the "test"), my wife claims her hair shampoo lathers up nicely, but thinks her hair is not as glossy (or whatever) as when the salt softener was in the system. However she did say it sure is better than washing in our untreated water. It's well water from a limestone aquifer. Tastes fine, but is loaded with minerals. Sorry about this long evaluation, but the crux of the situation is ... I'm going to forget putting a salt charged water softener in the bus and just add two sets of magnets instead. The savings in salt purchases alone should easily pay for the magnets. And I'm thrilled to not have to worry about humping salt bags back from Sam's Club every few weeks. By the way, the above URL is not the place we purchased the magnets from. | ||
| Jerry Liebler Rating: N/A |
Merlin, A small membrane deonization system can be had for a couple of hundred $ and it will actually work, much better than either of your alternatives. Regards Jerry 4107 1120 | ||
| CoryDane RTSII Rating: N/A |
Hmmm, water sediment that is attracted to magnetism? And if the water is treated by the magnets, where does the sediment go? or the Iron? or the sulpher? The water softener flushes occasionally to rid the collected sediment, salts and sulphers, how does the magnet get rid of it?? cd | ||
| DAVID HEAD (Chuck)
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iron is not as much a water hardening substance as you might be led to beleive. Hard water is also caused by other minerals besides iron.You may need to introduce a one to five micron whole home filter for minerals also it might be wise to allow the softener to run at the most lowest setting possible.I have had iron problems in the past. I have three whole house filters in series a twenty micron a five micron and then a one micron.Thru the filter reservoir I add pool chlorine once or twice a year. iron left in the water heater can create a bacteria that leaves a smell to the water also leaves black residue in the pipes.I open the filter add one quart of chlorine turn each tap in the house on till I smell chlorine then i leave it all sit over night.There is a lot of gunk that comes out when i do it but the water smells great after the chlorine clears. then i replace all of the aerators on the taps.Also note most times you have stains on your taps they are caused by the salt in the softener been set too high and causing the water to become acidic which ruins all the drain plugs and the tap ends.Any body else gone down this road | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Extremely strong magnets have interesting effects on some things. I wouldn't be so quick to write off their effect on running water. The overall effect may be small, and relatively unnoticeable... But I'm a firm believer in magnetics. After all, it took some quack with really deep pockets and a hefty cash grant to figure out that you could use really big really powerful magnets to get images of tissues inside your body... otherwise known as an MRI. No XRays involved! I plan to treat my water magnetically, but I'm going to be doing more research in the subject before I build my gizmos.  | ||
| gusc Rating: N/A |
There is nothing in water that can be affected by magnetism unless maybe it is iron but I doubt that. Iron has nothing to do with hardness anyway. Magnets are todays number one scam. | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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I'd rather buy a magnet over losing whatever savings I have! -Kevin | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
Home depot used to sell these to help out Florida's pityfull water. They got soooo many back they dont carry them anymore. Its easiest to have 2 water tanks , fill both with GOOD water when you find it , and only fill one with local "water" when it stinks , and use that for the showers and dishes. The Gov has billions to spend on projects , so we have found that most Fed parks , historic sites ect have the 2000 ft deep wells and Good water. FAST FRED | ||
| Stan Rating: N/A |
"Good" water is virtually unobtainable in the US south west. Federal standards are minimal and water that barely passes is pretty bad. Any form of surface water is loaded with calcium and magnesium and deep wells are loaded with sodium chloride. A RO unit to make your own drinking water is the most convenient and cost effective. A conventional water softener using sodium or potassium chloride for ion exchange works well if you want soft water to wash your hair. We need some scientific evidence on the use of magnets to soften water. | ||
| Jim-Bob (Pd41044039)
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Merlin, Thank you for describing YOUR experience. I live in Florida, with a well & softener & chlorinator & charcoal cannister (as big as the softener). I use 60 lbs of salt every two weeks and the water is still not really soft. I have your issues with the black deposits, etc. Magnets are used for more than MRIs, too. It has been proven that broken bones heal faster when treated with magnets. And as for the gas line magnets, I put a set on a Ford that I drove to work. I drive 100 miles a day round trip to work. Always the same route. The device said "up to 25% improvement" but also said part of the improvement was due to fuel molecules "clumping together" when the gas sits in the tank. Well gas doesn't sit long in my tank. I use two tanks a week. But I ALWAYS check my mileage and I did see a 3% improvement. Week after week, month after month after installing that magnet. Lets see, 1562 gallons per year, let's say $1.95 per gallon (today) = $3,045. x 3% = $91.37 savings PER YEAR. The magnet cost $14.95. I used it for 5 years = $456. saved (traded cars then). So I did not get 25% savings but it was still a big winner. Heck, the car companies will take the grease fittings off your car to save $1 per $25,000 car. This year Ford took the passenger side door lock off the F150. Jim-Bob | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Was it the magnets or the mental impact the cost of fuel had on your driving habits that was responsible for the improvement? Don't confuse correlation with causation. Bring your engine to me and we'll set it up on my dynomometer with and without your magnets and check fuel consumption under a measurable load. Considering the Physical Chemistry issues, hydrocarbons are nothing like metals and any such benevolent connection would be "exploited" by large fuel users like the airlines, trucking and bus companies. Then there's FF's "liars for hire" that make mucho $$ suing corporate directors for negligence in failing to obtain the "perfect profit." They would love to jump INTO this feeding trough. Onward and upward | ||
| CoryDane RTSII Rating: N/A |
(" Was it the magnets or the mental impact the cost of fuel had on your driving habits that was responsible for the improvement? Don't confuse correlation with causation. ") When I was transferred from driving 10 minutes from work to 1 1/2 hour commute, ONE WAY, I had to change my driving habits in a BIG way. Highway driving helped but you find you let the car coast a lot more (save brakes) and tend to let the car catch up to traffic (save gas) and thank goodness for CRUISE CONTROL. I used to fill that tank every other day. The gas stations around my place knew me by first name and they all knew my cars. My best car was a 90 Lumina, the one with the reported bad electrical (generator facing wheel well couldn't cool and burn up every 2 years) and bad brakes (many problems, replaced every 1 1/2 year). That car would be filled every third day. It was all downhill from there till retired. One guy at my old work place was told if you heat your fuel, the mileage goes up, so he had made a device that used the engine coolant to heat the fuel. LOL he took it off a month later, said the mileage went down. I give him credit for trying though. We all would like to find the secret to cut costs. The technology just isn't available yet.... "Thinking that the secret is out there, just not obtainable yet" cd | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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cooling the air works | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
2D, Cooling the air would help power production. I believe it would have a minimal effect on fuel efficiency. CD, Heating the fuel used to help, big time, many years ago when carburator designs weren't so advanced. It improved atomization of the fuel. Onward and Upward | ||
| Jim Wilke Rating: N/A |
Marc B. "Was it the magnets or the mental impact the cost of fuel had on your driving habits that was responsible for the improvement? Don't confuse correlation with causation. " I have been making this commute for 15 years. This car was the second of five I have used during this period. I installed the magnet at least a year after getting this car. At least 75% of the commute is on cruise control at the same 75MPH. At the time I bought it, several people said it wouldn't work. I bought it anyway more for the research value than anything else. $15 is less than the sales tax on most bus parts. My wife pays the bills so I never see the monthly fuel bill. Jim-Bob | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
I am interested in running your, or any other engine on my dynomometer setup - with and without magnets. Specific Brake Fuel Consumption is a standard feature of dyno operation. It's a "no brainer" test, you run the thing at a determined Horsepower output and measure how much fuel it takes to make that horsepower. By comparison, running a car down the road, even for 100,000 miles, (itself a very valid test) is like trying to do a micrometer's job with a carpenter's tape measure. It's just not the same. If the engine makes the same horsepower at lower fuel consumption after adding the magnets, you win. It's been shown time an again that slight differences in driving habits can make significant changes in fuel mileage results. If you are correct that magnets "really do make a difference" I predict that many Directors of large corporations will be sued. With such an emphasis on CAFE results, don't you think that GM, Ford, etc. would utilize this technology? Onward and Upward | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
I think we all forget the little things we do, on occasion. (?) Since the price of gas went up, I drive a bit slower and take off from the light just a little bit lighter on the pedal... I'll take a "shortcut" across town that might be one mile longer, rather than sit at five traffic lights, burning gas and doing nothing. We make lists now, of what we need, at what store, so we don't traipse across town two days in a row, having forgotten something.. I'm using regular instead of high test now. I bet I could make the claim that I'm getting better mileage since I switched to regular! Cheers! | ||
| Jim -Wilke Rating: N/A |
John, I understand that a person might drive differently if they were trying to prove that something worked. But to develop any meaningful results you have to maintain all of the other variables. I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was trying to observe if the device made a difference. This was about as good a "Real world" test as you could get without a scientific study. Same vehicle, same route, same driver, same time of day, mostly fixed speed, same grade of gas from the same station. Many tanks of fuel with the improvement averaging 3%. Would it have been worth it if I had seen .25% improvement given the 25,000 miles per year? Jim-Bob | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
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Ok, anyone else like to say something about the magnetic water treatment thread that was the original topic or have we pretty much had our say? Good. Great topic folks. Thank you for your positive comments, all. Regards, Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
("I guess I@n uses magnets..") | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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UHHHH......I have strong magnets on my oil pan... | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Exactly 2D - magnetic drain plugs are useful in your mill to capture ferrous metal particles - keeping them from being cycled through your lubrication system and possibly damaging it - it also serves as an indicator of engine wear each time you change oil - but, you wouild clean it after each oil change - How would you remove any contaminents, supposedly trapped by water magnets, from the water pipes? Niles (ain't buying into this one) | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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these are strong...bet ya' you can't pull one off | ||
| airless in Mississippi (Airless_in_mississippi)
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I have for sale copper bracelets that will gain you 10% increase in milage per tank full. These also cure gout, arthritis, bursitis, cancer, heart conditions and provides you with a more robust sex life. All this for merely 3.00 each. Since these are so good we recommend everyone one purchase at least two, this will double all the above results.. | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Yeah...... But magnets don't stick to it. Phoooooie. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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if ya' buy 11 bracelets..will the fuel tank run over ?? | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Lay down in front of it with all the bracelets on and the whole bus will run over.. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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UHHHHHH.....O.K. | ||
| BrianMCI Rating: N/A |
Listen, I understand why they use magnets for drawing blood to a broken bone, I mean blood does have iron in it right? And I sure agree magnets in the Tranny and Engine are great ideas. So maybe the magnets will remove some rust from the water?? I agree with Niles... I ain't buying into this one Brian | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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grass has dew on it...how long do I lay here ?? | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
That's not dew, and you're laying in the litter box. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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somebody take me to the carwash........ | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
As I understand it, Iron exhibits magnetic properties because it's in something like a crystal lattice that permits the atoms to "flip" orienting them in the same "direction" and allowing electrons to be more easily "shared" between atoms in the lattice. A single atom of Iron in the Heme of Hemoglobin won't work by this mechanism to cause an effect on bone repair. Bone repair comes about through the interaction with repair cells called Osteoblasts. What I recall learning, (reading cuz I was bored after breaking my ankle) the original work on this imporvement to bone repair involved low amperage electical stimulation. Don't recall the conclusions but the results were beneficial. I'm not rambling, I'm just trying to head off inadvisable experimentation in improving a "human" delivery system, rather than a "fuel" delivery system. Maybe this is what those "increase your size" e-mails that I've never opened are all about??? Ya Think? [ROFL] | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Darn Marc - you mean thats a hoax too! - do you think John can get his money back? - LOL - Niles | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Niles, Come clean now! Did I take too long to get to the "PUNCH" line? I don't care about JTNG's refund. Regardless of the topic, he'll find a way to irresponsibly get rid of his spare cash, he even spends it on a bus project on occasion! ROFL! Marc | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
How'd you guys work me into this? And what refund? Oh.... and the "sex aid" magnets work great! The only caveat is that I can't go near the refrigerator without getting three years worth of recipes and notes stuck to my fly.... | ||
| Cory Dane Rating: N/A |
Now, if the shock treatments helped in mending the broken bone to "better than new" condition, don't you think that it could really put an edge on where it comes to the "SEX AID" ads??? I wonder how much juice they poor into the machine to make your hair stand up, among other things... ROFL cd | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Hey Cory.... Those "aids" work ok! It's all a matter where you put the other magnet! (oh yeah... and get the polarity right... it can be a long year) |