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| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Fully charged batteries, when I turn the ignition on, nothing. No lights, etc in the panel. Any ideas? Thanks | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Also, master switch is turned on. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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check with simpson..see if master switches are working | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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check connections...battery connection...ground connection...connection to starter | ||
| DMDave Rating: N/A |
Test light, a 5'jumper( wire with alligator clips on each end),plus a voltmeter with a continuity tester(with a beeper is nicest),and work your way from the batteries. dont assume anything. I also have a 40 foot jumper wire for testing front to back. Happy Hunting | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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good idea....now I know what I'm going to do with that anoying low air alarm buzzer I replaced... | ||
| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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I use an air brake pressure warning buzzer (less than $20 at a truck parts place)with jumper wires attached. When you have voltage, you can hear it more than 40 feet away. Really good for checking wiring in the rear of the bus. My guess is that it is a breaker in the outside panel by the driver. If it is an Eagle 10, the 21st breaker from the left (lower row) is to the gauges. These breakers often develop a bad connection and need to be cleaned up and have some “NO OX” type compound smeared on them. You can also check this by applying a jumper from a power sourced to both sides of the breaker. Jim Shepherd Evergreen, CO ’85 Eagle 10 http://rvsafetysystems.com Bus Project details: http://www.rvsafetysystems.com/busproject.htm (updated 8/7/04) | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the replies. As soon as it gets above freezing here in Ohio, I'm on it  | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Is there a battery disconnect switch inside the coach? I'm wondering if somehow i tripped it. Also, what about the main switch in the rear of the bus? Possible source. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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can't remember...do you have a block heater..don't even try to start it if it doesn't...on my '78 Eagle ,there are two levers back there..one is spring loaded & is the flap...the second lever is the trigger....move the flap over...then move the trigger over to hold the trap open...there is a big cabel going to your starter..see if it has elec. going to the starter when the master is on...then,go up front & see if the "bus bar"has power to it...the panel outside under the drivers left elbow... | ||
| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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There is no disconnect switch inside the bus that I know of. If the masterswitch in the back of the bus is not working, most everything will not have power. That switch has a bunch of wires coming off of it and it is possible that the connection is loose. However, the source wire for the front feeds most everthing and you would not have headlights etc. Jim Shepherd | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Ok folks. I'm getting close thanks to all the input. Turns out that the power cables at the master switch were loose. Tightened them up and had full power to the dash, lights, everything. I even tried to start her to make sure the starter works, and it cranked. HOWEVER, back to my main issue. I believe I somehow tripped the mousetrap(manual shutdown) on the blower. Now, I have read posts about resetting it, but I will need very detailed instructions. I can see a long bar that runs parallel to the blower(in the direction of back of bus to front of bus). I can also see the pivet hardware on top of the blower. I can push from left to right on the pivot stuff, and this pushes the bar away from the engine. Is this the normal open position? Meaning when the bar is extended, is the damper open? I can't tell from the rear of the engine. Also, if so, I cannot for the life of me see where to "cock" the lever. Any and all help appreciated. Thanks | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I think you are looking at the wrong thing....my '78 Eagle has the mousetrap in the TUBE going to the blower....I think you are looking at the throttle rod | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
I've just taken some close up pics of my blower area and what I believe is the shut off mechanism.    | ||
| Brian (Bigbusguy)
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Could that be the throttel?? | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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you are not even close...that IS the throttle I will take a picture later on when it's light if I have to...but ...LISTEN...there is a tube,about 7" in dia. going from the air cleaner to the blower...I have a 78 Eagle...my mousetrap is in that tube...your 80 shouldn't be that much different than mine.... | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Damn. I knew it. I do see a mechanism on the side of a large tube going from the air filter to the blower. It looks like a small tube with a top on it. I can open and close the top but it is hinged and closes. It is about 1 inch on the top. I can also turn the whole thing 360 degrees. Does this turn a flap in the air intake? Arggggg.. | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Also, TWODOGS, could you please post the pic? It would help me tremendously. Also, love the name, I have 6 dogs... | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I will get I@N to post a picture in a little bit...as soon as my camera batteries charge | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
TWODOGS Why don't you get another pair of batts for the device you rob the camera for? LOL! Never should be out of batts for the camera when you can attract female talent like you do! | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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It has been so long....I forgot what arm it's under..........jjsrmp...I can't get a picture of it...no flash on the camera...it is right before the air goes in the blower...kind of a 3/4 x 1 1/2" piece of flat metal | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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I do not think my 80 Eagle had a mouse trap or a rat trap or a dog trap. At least I never saw it. Richard | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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It ain't that easy to see...when I had my air cleaner off I was playing with it...the "FLAP" is right before the air goes in the blower,the "TRIGGER" is on the back side of that little 1/4" tube... | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Ok, anyone who can post a pic for me, i would appreciate it. I am being mentally challenged right now... | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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are you looking for it.???..it's easily seen...or is it too cold for you to go look...also,you never answered ...do you have a block heater ?? | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Yes, I have a block heater. I'll check more tonight. If I run from the air filter housing to the blower, I'll run into it, correct? Thanks | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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It's right above the valve cover...there is a cast alum. duct that has a lever on it right before the air goes into blower  | ||
| Stan Rating: N/A |
jjrmps12: What makes you think the emergency is tripped? Does it blow black smoke, do you have raw fuel running out of the exhaust? A DD starts with the injector rack in the full fuel position and you have to get some kind of smoke if you crank it and fuel is going into the cylinders. It will be back or white or vaporized fuel. About the only thing that will keep the injector rack in the stop position is the stop lever. There are two levers on top of the governor - one is the throttle control and the other one is the stop. The stop lever is controlled by a small air cylinder. Is this cylinder extended holding the stop lever in the stop position? These are basic things to look at, but more than likely, you just don't have fuel at the secondary filter outlet. Your previous post said it wouldn't fire on ether. You still have to have fuel going in for the ether to do any good. | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Ok, please bear with me. I have a 12V electric pump and also a hand pump inline with the fuel return line to the tank. I lost prime in the summer and this is how i reprimed. Here is my question. I filled up with diesel around September. Half a tank. Is it possible fuel has gelled partially in the engine? I am getting SOME fuel out of the pump, but lots of air. Not a steady stream of fuel. Also, if you look at bus pic #2, there is a 1/4" tube in the background. I just looked at this and there is a tube going from the air intake, but the end goes to a screw. Nothing there. I would still like a pic of someones trap even if this is not the problem as it would be good to know. Thanks | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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sounds like somebody stold your diesel | ||
| Tom Caffrey (Pvcces)
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jjrsmp12, if you're getting visible air out of your fuel line, you're not going to have much luck getting your engine started. You want to see bubble free fuel, if at all possible. The fuel will not gell unless the temperature gets down into the teens, IIRC. It does make a difference which batch of fuel it is. Some will go down to a lot lower temperature. If the fuel gells, it's most likely to happen in the filters. You can pick up antigelling additive from truck stops which may help, depending how cold it is. Usually, you have to use a block heater to start a Detroit before you get down to gelling temperatures. Richard, IIRC, you had a 92 series engine. I don't think they used the emergency shutoff because they used a spring-loaded rack to prevent runaways. For what it's worth. Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 Suncatcher | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Thanks, Tom. You are correct and now I remember. Richard | ||
| Ken Turner (Pipesusmc)
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Eagle buses have a problem with the fuel suction tube in the tank...The tube chafes on a baffle in the tank about 14?inches from the the top creating a slit in the tube ,when the fuel gets below the crack, engine sucks air. If this is the problem ,tube has to be repaired or replaced. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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that could be it...boy...hope that never happens to me...he is getting air from somewhere...hopefully,not out of fuel.. | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
Well, i have good news. She started. I somehow lost prime. Gelling? Don't know, but it took a good 12V pump connected at the return fuel line for a while to get some fuel there. I started it up, she ran for a little, then died. Kept the pump running some more, fired her up, and whola, shitloads of fuel in the return line. Not sure why I had this problem, but at least I know how to prime the engine I still do not know where the mouse trap is, so if anyone has pics and can post, I'd appreciate it. I also appreciate all the feedback on the board. Excellent board. Thanks again... | ||
| jjrsmp12 Rating: N/A |
twodogs, i just saw your pic. I actually do not have one of those levers. Weird, huh? | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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it's that dark thing ..that kinda looks like an arrowhead...good ol' I@N doctored up the poor picture...no flash on camera...you should have one..it's an armslength in if you reach over the air inlet duct... our fearless leader has the flu...he will usually post pictures for us...if it's bus related...& sometimes...even if it's not bus related ... | ||
| Gus Haag (Mrbus)
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If your engine has the new style spring loaded rack, you will not have the Emergency shut down (mousetrap). Gus Haag |